anyone else sad and or dissappoint about cancellation of gazelle multiseat multicrew?

[hannibal]

alot of us were dissappointed with belsimtek development of huey multicrew after years of release.

 

we were excited that gazelle multiseat multicrew was somewhat functional.

 

we were super excited when the minigun variant was featuring a partially functioning doorgunner.

 

a bunch of us bought two copies of gazelle to fly with friends.

 

now the recent update by polychop was a blow to multiseat development.

 

i hope they will continue to have multiseat multicrew functional and not cancel it.

 

i have hope...

 

happy new years, i didnt want to rant, but i had to share this thought!

[swatstar98]

They said, they will wait and see what happens before doing anything! So I think they will not cancel.

[hannibal]

i heard it was about waiting how dedicated server tech matures and how F14 multiseat plays out.

 

but i thought i heard cancel multiseat as well.. so i wasnt sure.

[trois-pas]

Extract from a recent post on facebook

 

We also have taken a look into the multicrew issues, but we came to the conclusion that we will wait for the F14 release in DCS, cause we hope that the recent dedicated server tests of ED will help to improve the network code and occuring desynch issues that our multicrew suffers of will be undergoing a final fix then.

 

 

they do not cancel multicrew for the gazelle, they are waiting for the situation to settle a bit around the desync issue. Only they will they be able to apply an efficient fix.

 

 

Later in the post, they state that their FUTURE product will not be released with multicrew.

 

 

So to sum up, multicrew Gazelle is still a real things, only pending for external element.

[Bigskill]

Just consult Heatblur, if they can do a proper Multycrew, you can do it too, specially because you already got hour money, and Gazelle even with a broken FM is still sold for 40 bucks.....

SHould be one of your priority to fix it.

 

thx

[swatstar98]

Just consult Heatblur, if they can do a proper Multycrew, you can do it too, specially because you already got hour money, and Gazelle even with a broken FM is still sold for 40 bucks.....

SHould be one of your priority to fix it.

 

thx

We all can see that you didn't read the post they did on FB.

 

Cheers.

[Varis]

Later in the post, they state that their FUTURE product will not be released with multicrew.

 

Was a bit more perplexed with this statement. Waiting makes development sense and also they may need to make decisions - I just hope they haven't tied their hands too much. What we've seen of Gazelle multicrew (L model etc) has been quite nice.

 

Let's hope that ED + HB can figure things out so it will all be brighter by Christmas 2019.

[hannibal]

Extract from a recent post on facebook

 

 

 

 

they do not cancel multicrew for the gazelle, they are waiting for the situation to settle a bit around the desync issue. Only they will they be able to apply an efficient fix.

 

 

Later in the post, they state that their FUTURE product will not be released with multicrew.

 

 

So to sum up, multicrew Gazelle is still a real things, only pending for external element.

 

I thought Desync applied to buttons or switches used by both multiseat users... ok, no problem, i got that it gets complicated if one decides to turn on radio and the other turns off radio..

 

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DOOR GUN. i mean the door gunner would have complete independent functions separate from the pilot. i just wish the door gunner slot would be more fleshed out and WORKING for VR...

[Mr_sukebe]

The title of this thread is highly misleading, as it infers that multi-crew has been deliberately and permanently pulled from the module. That does appear to NOT be the case.

[Coxy_99]

Was a bit more perplexed with this statement. Waiting makes development sense and also they may need to make decisions - I just hope they haven't tied their hands too much. What we've seen of Gazelle multicrew (L model etc) has been quite nice.

 

Let's hope that ED + HB can figure things out so it will all be brighter by Christmas 2019.

 

Well Multi crew is ED's code, So all 3rd parties run off that code for multi crew includes F-14, C-101CC, Zelle and that doomed hawk all run off ED's Code.

[Merlin_VFA34]

Hi,

 

 

what was the last working multicrew version and is it possible to install that one? I would like to try it out with a friend.

 

 

Greetings

Merlin :huh:

[FragBum]

You should be able to take a person for a flight, AFAIK there is only restrictions on what the other person can do, like not take the cyclic,.. :huh: Besides no one seems to want to get in with me when I'm flying. :D

 

As I understand it, multicrew is still broken in DCS ATM so they are holding off a decision on multicrew until DCS gets that sorted.

Edited January 3, 2019 by FragBum
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[Merlin_VFA34]

You should be able to take a person for a flight, AFAIK there is only restrictions on what the other person can do, like not take the cyclic,.. :huh: Besides no one seems to want to get in with me when I'm flying. :D

 

As I understand it, multicrew is still broken in DCS ATM so they are holding off a decision on multicrew until DCS gets that sorted.

 

 

Hi,

 

 

I have allready tested the current Version and there are a things not working Like...

 

 

- Rotor was not turning for the gunner/commander when hot on the ramp. I have not tested if the rotor starts turning if you start cold.

- Unable to turn the sight left and right. Up and Down is possible.

 

 

And not beeing able to fire a missile is a bit boring for the gunner...

 

 

 

Greetings

Merlin :huh:

[FragBum]

Hi,

 

 

I have allready tested the current Version and there are a things not working Like...

 

 

- Rotor was not turning for the gunner/commander when hot on the ramp. I have not tested if the rotor starts turning if you start cold.

- Unable to turn the sight left and right. Up and Down is possible.

 

 

And not beeing able to fire a missile is a bit boring for the gunner...

 

 

 

Greetings

Merlin :huh:

 

Sigh, it actually worked sort-of better a while back. Besides I didn't say it was perfect we just have to wait and see what DCS does with multicrew. And then,.. I duno. :thumbup:

[Ramsay]

what was the last working multicrew version

AFAIK it'd be one of the 1.5.x versions (between 1.5.4 and 1.5.8 ?) - I think multicrew was still working ok around June 2017.

 

Main issues were control and instrument sync between players i.e. RWR, HSI/ADF, fuel state, etc. and making sure the co-pilot joined after the pilot.

 

There could be drift between player (pilot) and co-pilot camera view but it was great fun with, one player holding and maintaining hover, while the other guided a HOT missile to impact.

 

What stopped me playing multicrew eventually was AI script desync bugs.

 

We'd grown out of static targets and needed a more dynamic battlefield but it became frustrating to build missions for coop play, test it in SP, only to have it fail in MP i.e. we'd fly out to a AO and I'd spot targets (as the host) and the other player/client couldn't see anything (as their AI OPFOR had never moved from spawn - problem seems fixed in latest 2.5.x)

 

Note: IMHO 1.5 has a weaker Gazelle flight model than 2.5 but multicrew gameplay is what made the Gazelle special.

 

... and is it possible to install that one? I would like to try it out with a friend.

You can use DCS updater from the command line

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114030

 

or SkateZilla's GUI Updater Utility

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=160053

 

to install a separate/older version of DCS (to use multicrew you'll both need the same version).

Edited January 3, 2019 by Ramsay

[Buzzles]

Basically, Polychop going to have to wait for ED to finally do the Huey [noparse](or Mi8)[/noparse] multicrew and solve the problems.

 

After all, the current multi-crew was done for the L-39, which is actually two cockpits rather than a shared one like the helos.

What HB have done for the F-14 is also irrelevant, as again, two cockpits not one.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Buzzles

[3WA]

Yep. I would say this is all on ED. Hopefully, they figure out multi-cockpit soon. But I think all their resources are on F-18 right now.

[Baaz]

Am I sad? Nope. Switching back and forth between seats means there's always something for me to do. :)

[-Condor-]

Luck ED have  free trials. I trialled the Gazelle and wouldn't buy the rubbish. To many broken things to consider purchasing. ED should remove it.

[RealDCSpilot]

Sounds hard, but on the other hand - they had more than 5 years and did nothing to fix it.

[hannibal]

with the new coder i hope polychop can revisit the gazelle's minigun feature...

hoping that the minigun will be on par as the huey UH1H module..

particularly the ability to map the minigun up/down, left/right slew to a joystick..

and decouple the player view from the minigun line of sight, especially in VR...

 

come on guys.. plz.. 

i like to put my two copies of gazelle to work!

thanks for listening..

[kotor633]

Hi,

No, I don't mind at all. What annoys me, on the other hand, is that we are still waiting for the revised Gazelle FM... Because we are still waiting for the Kiowa... And as long as this module is not released, we will probably wait for a little eternity...