Please, dont forget about keybindings for „19”

[NobiWan]

+1

 

 

 

bumping. A complete set of key bindings are would make this beautiful module perfect!

[dresoccer4]

the additional keybinding had to have been added by now, right?

[Rudel_chw]

the additional keybinding had to have been added by now, right?

 

 

Not that I know of … I tested for them the last time the MiG-19 got an update (a couple of months ago, mid November if i recall correctly), but found no additional keybindings, nor any of the issues that I reported more than 6 months ago have been fixed :( it's a pity.

[rainyday]

Been away from the game for a while now - but getting back in the air slowly. Nice to see MiG-19 had some updates since the launch to the buttons, but it seems there are still some keybindings missing.

 

I'm still re-learning the basics but the ones missing that I've noticed so far:

 

Left Engine Start

Right Engine Start

Left Engine Air Start ON

Left Engine Air Start OFF

Right Engine Air Start ON

Right Engine Air Start OFF

[Leviathan667]

Just started flying this module. Went through the cold start lesson and found out the following:

 

+everything that rainyda just wrote about:

 

I'm still re-learning the basics but the ones missing [keybinds] that I've noticed so far:

 

Left Engine Start

Right Engine Start

Left Engine Air Start ON

Left Engine Air Start OFF

Right Engine Air Start ON

Right Engine Air Start OFF

 

+ Keybinds are also missing for AChS-1 chronograph (see screenshot of the L-39 keybinds for an illustration)

 

+ There is no light for fuel tank #2 (left side console) (see screenshot #2)

[Rudel_chw]

... just kicked the MiG-21 from my cart for ... not having proper controls logic in 2020 in a game where a lot have HOTAS with 2/3-way switches and multi-pos knobs or even full blown pits simply is a no-go.

 

a lot of users having full blown pits? or 2/3 way switches on their HOTAS? ... I own a TM Cougar and it has just a single 3 way switch, honestly it doesn't seem to me like an important enough reason to miss on the wonderful aircraft that is the MiG-21.

 

The MiG-19 bothers me a lot more (than the -21), as it is really hard (in fact, impossible) to program the HOTAS to handle the gunsight and the navigation radio properly.

 

[streakeagle]

Most of the MiG-21 switches can be made proper with minor LUA edits. But the MiG-19 doesn't even have anything to edit. Too many switches missing from the controls mapping list.

[Buzzles]

As it's the relevant topic, what's the binding name for the PTT button on the throttle? Just setting myself up for a little go during the freeplay and I couldn't find it in the in-game menu under the usual suspects.

[limbo696]

I can't believe that some of the basic functions of the aircraft do not have a  keybind (e.g., course selector knob)....very annoying.

[Rudel_chw]

31 minutes ago, limbo696 said:

I can't believe that some of the basic functions of the aircraft do not have a  keybind (e.g., course selector knob)....very annoying.

The Course selector still has no keybind? .. I reported that 4 years ago:

 

what a sad situation, I had promised to myself to never buy something from Razbam again, but of course I couldn’t refuse the South Atlantic Map, which I purchased as soon as it appeared, as it’s the only Map where part of my home country is represented.  The MiG-19 is actually one of the very few DCS modules that I regret purchasing.

[tanr]

Found this thread while trying to find a mapping for the course selector knob.  Adding some of these frequently asked for bindings would really be appreciated.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, tanr said:

Adding some of these frequently asked for bindings would really be appreciated.

Four years have passed by, so I doubt your wish will be ever granted … this is the reason why I stopped flying the 19, and explains why I have not yet pre-purchased the F-15E 

[tanr]

12 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

Four years have passed by, so I doubt your wish will be ever granted … this is the reason why I stopped flying the 19, and explains why I have not yet pre-purchased the F-15E 

Waiting to see how the F-15E turns out too.  I'm not expecting anything to be done on the 19 before they get the F15 out the door.  Would love to see the 19 get turned around like the M2000 was.

In the meantime, I'm using Munkwolf's keybinds to get some of the inputs I want (like keyboard bindings for GIK-1 Compass Course needle).

Edited April 23, 2023 by tanr

[wowbagger]

2023

Basic stuff like this still non-existent.   Bugs which make it difficult to figure out whats' going on (am I doing this wrong, or is the radio just borked like the other things in this module?). Campaign updates/fixes? Zero meaningful interaction from the developer.

It would be a joke, if I hadn't paid for it.

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by wowbagger

[ST0RM]

"Take the money and run..."

[Aviator78]

On 3/3/2019 at 1:02 AM, rainyday said:

 

After going thru all the MiG-19 cockpit controls - I would like to offer one piece of advice to ALL module developers:

 

Please make the TOOLTIP NAME the same as the control is listed in the CONTROL OPTIONS!

 

Not a Razbam 'sin' really, it's the same with many modules. But it would only make sense -want to do a keybinding? Check the name with tooltip, find the same name in the control options - done! Sometimes there's only slight difference like 'Radio Navigation Electric Power' is 'Nav Radio Power' - but sometimes they are actually pretty hard to find and have to do some trial & error. Why not the same? It only makes sense! Okay, rant off - lets get down to business!

 

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Okay Zeus, here's my suggestions & findings:

 

CONTROL OPTIONS TO ADD

//Here is a list of control options I would like to see. Might have missed something but this is a start atleast.

 

Canopy OPEN

Canopy CLOSE

 

Landing Gear NEUTRAL

Landing Gear Lever Lock ON

Landing Gear Lever Lock OFF

Landing Gear Lever Lock ON/OFF

 

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector OFF

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector K

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector 50

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector 100

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector 150

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector 200

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector 250

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector 300

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector 350

RV-5 Radio Altimeter Minimum Altitude Selector 400

 

Rockets Firing Mode SALVO

Rockets Firing Mode AUTO

Rockets Firing Mode SINGLE

Weapons/Gunsight Mode MISSILES

Weapons/Gunsight Mode NR30

Weapons/Gunsight Mode BOMBS

Weapons/Gunsight Mode ROCKETS

Bomb Release Mode SINGLE

Bomb Release Mode AUTO

Gunsight OPTICAL

Gunsight RADAR

 

Change Radar Display DAY

Change Radar Display NIGHT

Set ECCM Mode ON

Set ECCM Mode OFF

Set Tracking Antenna ON

Set Tracking Antenna OFF

Set Radar ACTIVE

Set Radar STBY

Set Radar OFF

 

Radio Audio Output Selector ADF

Radio Audio Output Selector RADIO

Radio Squelch Switch ON

Radio Squelch Switch OFF

 

Navigation Lights 10%

Navigation Lights 30%

Navigation Lights 100%

Navigation Lights OFF

 

Main Battery CONNECT

Main Battery DISCONNECT

 

Left Engine Start Button Cover OPEN/CLOSE

Right Engine Start Button Cover OPEN/CLOSE

Left Engine Start

Right Engine Start

Left Engine Air Start Button Cover OPEN/CLOSE

Right Engine Start Button Cover OPEN/CLOSE

Left Engine Air Start ON

Left Engine Air Start OFF

Right Engine Air Start ON

Right Engine Air Start OFF

 

Mil Power Limit/Afterburner Disable

Afterburner Enable

 

Beacon NEAR

Beacon FAR

 

TP-19 Braking Parachute Deploy Button Cover OPEN/CLOSE

 

ASP-5 Sight CAGE/UNCAGE

ASP-5 Sight CAGE

ASP-5 Sight UNCAGE

 

Nose Gear Brake System ON/OFF

Nose Gear Brake System ON

Nose Gear Brake System OFF

 

RP-5 Radar/Telemetry Selector POSITION 1

RP-5 Radar/Telemetry Selector POSITION 2

 

Emergency Brake ON

Emergency Brake OFF

 

GIK-1 Needle Alignment

GIK-1 Course Selector CW (clockwise)

GIK-1 Course Selector CCW (counter-clockwise)

 

Barometric Altimeter Setting (bars) CW

Barometric Altimeter Setting (bars) CCW

 

AGI-1 Artificial Horizon Pitch Trim CW

AGI-1 Artificial Horizon Pitch Trim CW

AGI-1 Artificial Horizon CAGE

AGI-1 Artificial Horizon UNCAGE

 

Bombs ARM

Bombs SAFE

 

ASP-5 Brightness CW

ASP-5 Brightness CCW

 

Cockpit Temperature Select

 

RUFO-45 Left Side ARUFOSH UV Lamp Intensity Control CW

RUFO-45 Left Side ARUFOSH UV Lamp Intensity Control CCW

RUFO-45 Right Side ARUFOSH UV Lamp Intensity Control CW

RUFO-45 Right Side ARUFOSH UV Lamp Intensity Control CCW

 

ADF FAR Frequency Range Selector 310-150

ADF FAR Frequency Range Selector 610-310

ADF FAR Frequency Range Selector 1300-640

ADF NEAR Frequency Range Selector 310-150

ADF NEAR Frequency Range Selector 610-310

ADF NEAR Frequency Range Selector 1300-640

ADF Operational Mode OFF

ADF Operational Mode COMP

ADF Operational Mode ANT

ADF Operational Mode LOOP

ADF Receiver Mode TLG

ADF Receiver Mode TLF

 

 

OTHER MISSING CONTROLS

//ALL plane controls definitely should have keybinging possibilities too, here's a list that I found that were missing altogether - in addition to those already listed above. I just don't have enough experience on the plane yet to sort these to important/not-so-important. In general, in a perfect world, push button should be ON/OFF in the control options, toggle switch/rotary switch should offer separate ON and OFF options in addition to ON/OFF and possible CW&CCW (mimicing the real thing and offering all the possibilities for controls). Note the names are as they are shown on cockpit TOOLTIPS.

 

Landing Gear Emergency Deployment

Flaps Emergency Deployment

Emergency Canopy Release Lever

Cockpit Ventilation Switch Open/Close

AChS-1 Chronograph Left Knob

AChS-1 Chronograph Right Knob

Elevator Control (ARU-2V) mode (automatic/manual)

Elevator Control Manual Mode Selector (Long/Short)

Oxygen Shutoff Valve

Oxygen-Air Diluter Lever, MIXTURE / 100% O2

Cockpit Pressurization Lever

Suit Oxygen Supply Lever AUTOMATIC-TURN OFF/N(NEUTRAL)/SUIT TURN-ON

TP-19 Braking Parachute Jettison Button Cover

TP-19 Braking Parachute Jettison Button

Tank 1 Fuel Pump

Tank 2 Fuel Pump

Tank 3 Fuel Pump

Tank 4 Fuel Pump

Left Engine Fuel Cutoff Cover

Right Engine Fuel Cutoff Cover

Left Engine Fuel Cutoff

Right Engine Fuel Cutoff

Cockpit Heating

Anti-Skid Brake

Engine Start Power Switch

Fire Extinguisher Power Switch

Pitot Tube Selector, MAIN (PVD-4)/EMERGENCY(TP-156)

Rockets Counter Mode (day/night)

Elevator Actuator Switch HYDRAULIC (BU-14M BOOSTER)/ELECTRIC (MUS-2 SYSTEM)

BU-13M Aileron Hydraulic Booster Switch On/Off

Canopy Front Anti Freeze

Cockpit Temperature Select

Engine Fire Lamp Test Button

PPS-2 Landing Gear Lights Test Button

ARU-2V Lamp Test Button

Warning Button

Fuel Tanks 2,3,4 Warning Lamps Test Button

Aircraft External Lights Circuit Breaker

ARU-2V Flight Control System Circu Breaker

Bomb Fuzing System Circuit Breaker

Bomb Release System Circuit Breaker

Bomb, Drop Tank and Rocket Emergency Jettison System Circuit Breaker

ARK-5 Radio Navigation System Circuit Breaker

Landing Gear, Airbrake and Flaps Annunciator Lights Circuit Breaker

BU-13M Aileron and BU-14M Stabilizer Hydraulic Booster Circuit Breaker

Rocket Pods Circuit Breaker

 

 

AXIS:

// Options for AXIS bindings would be awesome too.

 

RSIU-4V Volume Control AXIS

Radar Elements Brightness AXIS

RP-5 Radar Electronic Horizon Elevation Adjustment AXIS

ASP-5 Brightness AXIS

RUFO-45 Left Side ARUFOSH UV Lamp Intensity Control AXIS

RUFO-45 Right Side ARUFOSH UV Lamp Intensity Control AXIS

ADF Internal Illumination AXIS

ADF Manual Frequency AXIS

ADF Volume AXIS

 

 

BUGS:

//Couple bugs I found while going thru the controls.

 

Activate Built-In-Test (Radar) > If using keyboard, button is pressed but doesnt return (no way to stop other than using mouse)

ARK-5 NEAR Frequency Selector Switch (on the left panel, Tooltip) > Should be FAR? Atleast says so in the manual.

ADF Manual Frequency Up/Down > Doesn't seem work properly when using keyboard. Is very erratic, most of the time doesnt do anything, doesnt respond to multiple keypresses.

 

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Thanks Zeus for looking into these - and thanks for a great module!

 

On 3/6/2019 at 4:16 PM, RedSky said:

 flaps increment up and increment down. This will allow using the flap lever on the TM Warthog throttle, which I imagine is going to be a very common use case.

 

Bump. I came across the flap settings again today and was wondering why in the world the MiG-19 was lacking a incremental "up" and "down" keybind for flaps.

So, how good are our chances that we will see continuing support for the MiG-19?!

@OverStratos

[virgo47]

On 6/16/2024 at 10:15 PM, Aviator78 said:

Bump. I came across the flap settings again today and was wondering why in the world the MiG-19 was lacking a incremental "up" and "down" keybind for flaps.

So, how good are our chances that we will see continuing support for the MiG-19?!

@OverStratos

With the currently unknown status of the RBvED dispute, anyone's guess is as good as mine. Full-fidelity F-15C implies, for many, F-15E is on the side-track for some time if not for good... But back to the topic.

I'm just experimenting with MiG-19, I wanted to compare it with MiG-21. I somewhat enjoy both of them, but I have a mental block when controls are missing - and the block is proportional to the number of controls missing.

I learned about Quaggle's Command Injector (thanks to Rudel_chw) and it's part of my workflow now, so it took me just about an hour to get the stuff I normally always use with the keyboard (Barometric altimeter setting, course, etc.). All these settings are already possible; they are just not made available. Community figured it out already: https://github.com/Munkwolf/dcs-community-keybinds/blob/main/InputCommands/MiG-19P/Input/MiG-19P/keyboard/default.lua

Now there are two levels, as I see it:

1. Not adding these things into the default configs (hence forcing us to use mods, or worse, "mod" it ourselves) is kinda a no-brainer. RAZBAM could have done it anytime, with no effort at all. Could it accidentally introduce some bug (in new bindings only, mind you)? Possibly. But that's a risk anyone here would gladly take. Bugs is the name of the game already.
2. The harder part is to provide really new bindings. If the switch gives me ON and OFF bindings, I have no idea whether I can mod it somehow to work as a trigger. (I haven't found that yet.) You can add "ON else OFF" and similar stuff, that's possible, but toggle? Now.
   The same for 3-pos or more switches and other controls. If there are just concrete position bindings, I have no idea how to add go/cycle up/down. And the other way around - if there are only toggles and up/down/cycle commands, I believe there is no way to transform them into concrete controls.
   I'm not talking about a situation when the dev provides only up/down/cycle stuff, but the commands for precise positions are there and you can add them (scenario 1). I'm talking about the situation when the only available command is toggle, for instance. Command for concrete settings with values is simply not available.

I may be wrong about all the details in the second point because DCS is complex. Also, some of the older modules have very different scripting styles compared to newer modules - which makes it more difficult.

But the whole idea of "clickable-only cockpit" (hyperbole, of course) - when you MUST click, not just CAN click - without any binds whatsoever for some elements... that is very frustrating in any module. Why are virtually half of the modules insufficient in this area, I have no idea.

Providing controls for existing elements should be one of the easiest parts when developing the module. It could even be generated from a good authoritative source of truth - which would also help avoiding situations when the tooltip says something completely different than the binding, etc.

Edited January 18 by virgo47