VNAO T-45 Goshawk

jef32 · October 29, 2023

Hi
I don't know if it's the same for you but since the last update (2.9.0.47168) the command to salute the crew and launching the catapult doesn't work anymore. So it's impossible to take-off with supercarrier with the T-45. I've tried with regular planes (F-14 and F-18) and it's working normally.

western_JPN · October 29, 2023

2 hours ago, jef32 said:

Hi
I don't know if it's the same for you but since the last update (2.9.0.47168) the command to salute the crew and launching the catapult doesn't work anymore. So it's impossible to take-off with supercarrier with the T-45. I've tried with regular planes (F-14 and F-18) and it's working normally.

Hi.

Current Supercarrier has the bug around Salute! also about F/A-18C module talked in their forum sections.
F/A-18C becomes not to work normally in detailed.

IRL F/A-18C can cat-launch in MIL power w/o AB for A2A loadouts though, current DCS 2.9.0 .47168 + Sc requires full AB to enable Salute!
T-45's trouble may come from the same Sc bug.
Perhaps only waiting Sc's bugfix patch ..... no retouch on this mod .... OK in the future.

jef32 · October 29, 2023

The F-14 works ! And the F-18 too. I've juste tested some minutes ago.

Edited October 29, 2023 by jef32

iChasney · October 29, 2023

Reporting the same issue with the T45 salute on the Super carrier. hope it's something they can resolve quickly

rfxcasey · October 29, 2023

I haven't read this whole threat but regarding the salute not working, I heard mention it had something to do with having the 'throttle detent' option enabled. Also, I haven't tried it yet but I believe there is, or at least used to be, a command for manually shooting the catapult. I haven't personally had to use it yet and don't know if that will help but it's worth a try. I'll give it a go in a bit and see.

Edited October 29, 2023 by rfxcasey

Qnnrad · November 17, 2023

The issue has been fixed in yesterday's 2.9.1.48111 Open Beta, with patchnote:

DCS: Supercarrier by Eagle Dynamics
Fixed: The salute command doesn't work when using option Afterburner detent.

Thanks ED!

western_JPN · November 19, 2023

On 11/18/2023 at 12:28 AM, Qnnrad said:
The issue has been fixed in yesterday's 2.9.1.48111 Open Beta, with patchnote:
DCS: Supercarrier by Eagle Dynamics
Fixed: The salute command doesn't work when using option Afterburner detent.
Thanks ED!

Yeeees.
I also test T-45 on the latest ob version and that's OK.

On 10/29/2023 at 6:22 PM, western_JPN said:

T-45's trouble may come from the same Sc bug.
Perhaps only waiting Sc's bugfix patch ..... no retouch on this mod .... OK in the future.

Sérvalpilot · December 6, 2023

Hi!

Does the CCIP mode account for drag? If so, how is it done here?

Also, are there any plans to share the EFM source code?

greyseal494 · December 15, 2023

So the T-45 will not hook up to the catapult on the supercarrier, right? Will it work on any other CV?

Edited December 15, 2023 by greyseal494

Cab · December 15, 2023

11 minutes ago, greyseal494 said:

So the T-45 will not hook up to the catapult on the supercarrier, right? Will it work on any other CV?

I just checked using the instant action mission. It hooked up and launched without issue.

greyseal494 · December 16, 2023

I tried it with the instant action and was able to make it work, it just seemed to take forever to get it hooked up.

Edited December 16, 2023 by greyseal494

Shadow Weaver · December 23, 2023

Hello @MadMaxter and fellow peers

I'm new to the DCS and I love your mod. I'm having some issues in career landings. (I don't have super carrier though. using the stock carrier).

Issue:
When I touch down arrest hook wont catch any wire

Tried Solutions:

Hard approach
Shallow approach
Ramming the jet on to the deck

Attaching a recording as well.

https://streamable.com/l48kzn

Fresh · December 23, 2023

It looks like you are landing short you seem to be pitching up like to flare.. don't, just fly that jet into the deck, on speed!

Fresh · January 3

I found a bug in the TACAN, and it is probably also in the VOR and WYPT implementation. Basically it receives the bearing in true, but displays it in magnetic.
I am still trying to find out how to get the magnetic variation off the map, but a temporary workaround is to edit the Cockpit\Scripts\Nav\TACAN.lua file...
in line 161 add a correction for the variation, like this:

 tacanBearing:set((math.deg(math.atan2((atcn.position.z-curz),(atcn.position.x-curx)))-13) %360) --temporarily added "-13" to correct for magvar in Nevada

Add a parenthesis "(" before "math.deg" and add "-13)" before " %360)"

I also found that in CDI mode it doesn't center the CDI if you have the reciprocal course. So it centers with a TO indication, but never when you have a FROM indication...

I've attached 4 images.
The first showing the Goshawk in the same position as the Hornet, notice how the Goshawk thinks it has QDM 041 vs the Hornet showing QDM 029.

After making the edit above you see it now shows more or less correctly..

The last image shows the recipocal CRS set on the HSI, and the CDI stays full scale, instead of being centered.

If you are not flying in Nevada use a different correction

Does anyone have time to help me implement this? :

local magvar = require("magvar")
magvar.init(month, year)
magvar.get_mag_decl(lat, lon)

Edited January 3 by Fresh

ram0506 · January 4

Hello,

I just installed the T-45C Mod, but when starting DCS (Open Beta in newest version) I get the message that authorization failed and that the VNAO T-45 Goshawk is not authorized and will not be available in game. I downloaded the files from here :

Is there another version of this Mod or has anyone a solution? Thanks!

Fresh · January 4

Hi ram0506,
you should install the mod in your Saved Games folder:
C:\Users\your..username\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Mods\Aircraft
Don't forget to read the readme file ;-)

Also go to the first page of this thread, there is a link to version 1.0.1 on a mediafire website from MadMaxter

ram0506 · January 4

Hey, Fresh, thanks a lot for your quick response!

That did the trick for me. I unpacked the files in the main game folder before.

Btw I found version 1.01.

Thanks again

seavoyage · January 27

On 11/3/2021 at 8:53 PM, kolpakov_79 said:

Corrected characteristics, suspensions. Dynamics allows you to achieve real characteristics at the main stages of the flight.

Thanks to VNAO and OP: Flight Model Mod

Works well with Suspension Mod VNAO T-45C suspension fix (digitalcombatsimulator.com)

Additional Mods:

Helios Profile: T45 Goshawk Helios Profile (digitalcombatsimulator.com)
Comm activation

SRS http://dcssimpleradio.com/ #Only relevant for MP not SP

iUFCExport https://apps.apple.com/us/app/iufcexport/id1551491580

Mission: Bankler's CASE I Recovery Trainer https://forum.dcs.world/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=357040&key=85ef75bb510375235fec567e86d82053

T-45C Training by Rudel_chw

Flight Model: (SFM)

NOTE: Version 1.0.1
https://www.mediafire.com/file/igxeyo81nx1i01w/VNAO_T45_v1.0.1.zip/file

Discord

aerodynamics = -- Cx = Cx_0 + Cy^2*B2 +Cy^4*B4
{
Cy0 = 0.0, -- zero AoA lift coefficient
Mzalfa = 6.2, -- coefficients for pitch agility
Mzalfadt = 0.7, -- coefficients for pitch agility
kjx = 4.5, -- Inertia parametre X - Dimension (clean) airframe drag coefficient at X (Top) Simply the wing area in square meters (as that is a major factor in drag calculations) - smaller = massive inertia
kjz = 0.00125, -- Inertia parametre Z - Dimension (clean) airframe drag coefficient at Z (Front) Simply the wing area in square meters (as that is a major factor in drag calculations)
Czbe = -0.016, -- coefficient, along Z axis (perpendicular), affects yaw, negative value means force orientation in FC coordinate system
cx_gear = 0.07, -- coefficient, drag, gear ??
cx_flap = 0.08, -- coefficient, drag, full flaps -- 0.006 for first 10 degrees
cy_flap = 0.21, -- coefficient, normal force, lift, flaps -- 0.095 for first 10 degrees
cx_brk = 0.12, -- coefficient, drag speedbrake (0.04 for speedbrake, extra 0.08 to emulate the spoilers (see spoilers.lua and airbrakes.lua))
--[[ OLD table
table_data = {
-- M Cx0 Cya B B4 Omxmax Aldop Cymax

{0.0, 0.012, 0.10, 0.04, 0.03, 0.5, 14, 1.0, },
{0.4, 0.0145, 0.10, 0.04, 0.03, 10.56, 14, 1.4, },
{0.5, 0.015, 0.09, 0.04, 0.03, 11.56, 14, 1.5, },
{0.6, 0.015, 0.08, 0.04, 0.03, 12.56, 14, 1.6, },
{0.7, 0.015, 0.07, 0.04, 0.03, 11.56, 14, 1.5, },
{0.8, 0.015, 0.06, 0.04, 0.03, 10.56, 14, 1.4, }, -- Cx0
{0.85, 0.015, 0.06, 0.04, 0.03, 9.56, 14, 1.4, }, -- 0.030
{0.9, 0.045, 0.05, 0.04, 0.03, 9.56, 14, 1.4, }, -- 0.060
}--]]

-- slat extension is automatic below 200 KCAS, linear to 100 KCAS
-- effect of slats is higher AoA possible, higher drag, higher lift
-- slat Cd at M0.6 is ~0.016 for 20 degree slat extension, with linear mapping
-- slat Cl at M0.6 is ~0.06/degree for 20 degree slat extension, 2/3 comes from the first 10 degrees

--[[
-- attempt #1 from naca report
table_data = {
-- M Cx0 Cya B B4 Omxmax Aldop Cymax
{0.00, 0.0320, 0.066, 0.04, 0.03, 0.5, 14.50, 1.11, },
{0.15, 0.0320, 0.066, 0.04, 0.03, 10.56, 14.50, 1.11, }, -- 20 degree slat extension at sea level
{0.225, 0.0240, 0.064, 0.04, 0.03, 10.56, 12.50, 0.89, }, -- 10 degree slat extension at sea level
{0.30, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.04, 0.03, 10.56, 10.50, 0.77, }, -- 0 degree slat extension at sea level
{0.40, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.04, 0.03, 10.56, 10.30, 0.75, },
{0.50, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.04, 0.03, 11.56, 10.20, 0.73, },
{0.60, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.04, 0.03, 12.56, 10.10, 0.71, },
{0.70, 0.0163, 0.062, 0.04, 0.03, 11.56, 9.90, 0.68, },
{0.80, 0.0165, 0.066, 0.04, 0.03, 10.56, 8.75, 0.65, },
{0.85, 0.0180, 0.070, 0.04, 0.03, 9.56, 8.25, 0.60, },
{0.88, 0.0190, 0.078, 0.04, 0.03, 9.56, 8.25, 0.68, },
{0.9, 0.0200, 0.079, 0.04, 0.03, 9.56, 6.50, 0.72, },
{1.0, 0.0200, 0.073, 0.04, 0.03, 9.56, 6.50, 0.74, },
{1.1, 0.0200, 0.065, 0.04, 0.03, 9.56, 6.80, 0.74, },
}
--]]

-- now correcting for parasitic drag (drag index) -- roughly 1.5x at the top end to model a drag index of ~40 when empty
-- removed 10 degree slat line, was causing SFM interpolation bug
-- Cya max M0.15 of 0.95 results in approach noflap=137-140, fullflap=120-123 targets: 143/126 @ 14,000#
-- test: change Cya 0.96 -> 0.92 for M0.0 and M0.15, leave Cya 0.71 for M0.30, test at 14000#
-- result: 138-141 noflap, 121-123 flaps
-- test: Cya 0.92 -> 0.84 for M<=0.15, 0.71->0.66 M0.3, 14K#
-- result: 145-147 noflap, 126-127 flaps
-- test: Cya normalization 0.60 @ M0.40, 0.61 @ 0.30, 14K#
-- result: 145-147 noflap, 126-127 flaps
-- test: Cya 0.84->0.85 M<=0.15, 14K#
-- result: 144-147 noflap, 125-126 flaps close!
-- test: Cya 0.85->0.86, Cyflap 0.22->0.21, 14000#
-- result: 143-146 noflap, 126-127 flaps close for 14K#
-- test: Cya 0.86->0.87 M<=0.15
-- result: 142-145 noflap, 125-126 flaps done for 14K# (on target)
-- test: weight 12K#, target: 135/116.5
-- result: 131-133 noflap, 115-116 flaps done for 12K# (~2% too little lift w/o flaps)
-- test: weight 16K#, target: 153/134
-- result: 152-156 noflap, 134-135 flaps done for 16K# (on target)

--[[
table_data = {
-- M Cx0 Cya B B4 Omxmax Aldop Cymax
{0.00, 0.0220, 0.087, 0.149, 0.00, 0.5, 13.15, 1.11, },
{0.15, 0.0220, 0.087, 0.149, 0.00, 1.0, 13.15, 1.11, }, -- 20 degree slat extension at sea level
{0.30, 0.0160, 0.061, 0.149, 0.00, 4.5, 11.50, 0.77, }, -- 0 degree slat extension at sea level
{0.40, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.149, 0.00, 6.5, 10.30, 0.75, },
{0.50, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.149, 0.00, 8.0, 10.20, 0.73, },
{0.60, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.149, 0.00, 8.1, 10.10, 0.71, },
{0.70, 0.0190, 0.062, 0.149, 0.00, 8.3, 9.90, 0.68, },
{0.80, 0.0200, 0.066, 0.149, 0.00, 8.3, 8.75, 0.65, },
{0.85, 0.0215, 0.070, 0.149, 0.00, 8.1, 8.25, 0.60, },
{0.88, 0.0245, 0.078, 0.169, 0.00, 7.8, 8.25, 0.68, },
{0.9, 0.0310, 0.079, 0.179, 0.00, 7.6, 6.50, 0.72, },
{1.0, 0.0350, 0.073, 0.352, 0.00, 7.6, 6.50, 0.74, },
{1.1, 0.0370, 0.065, 0.460, 0.00, 7.6, 6.80, 0.74, },
}
--]]

table_data = {
-- M Cx0 Cya B B4 Omxmax Aldop Cymax
{0.00, 0.0220, 0.087, 0.149, 0.00, 0.5, 22.91, 1.40, },
{0.15, 0.0220, 0.087, 0.149, 0.00, 1.0, 22.91, 1.40, }, -- 20 degree slat extension at sea level
{0.30, 0.0160, 0.061, 0.149, 0.00, 4.5, 22.91, 1.30, }, -- 0 degree slat extension at sea level
{0.40, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.149, 0.00, 6.5, 22.91, 1.22, },
{0.48, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.149, 0.00, 7.5, 22.91, 1.05, },
{0.50, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.149, 0.00, 8.0, 22.34, 1.00, },
{0.55, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.149, 0.00, 8.0, 20.91, 0.96, },
{0.60, 0.0160, 0.060, 0.149, 0.00, 8.1, 18.33, 0.91, },
{0.65, 0.0175, 0.061, 0.149, 0.00, 8.2, 22.63, 0.89, },
{0.70, 0.0190, 0.062, 0.149, 0.00, 8.3, 25.21, 0.88, },
{0.80, 0.0200, 0.066, 0.149, 0.00, 8.3, 23.60, 0.86, },
{0.85, 0.0215, 0.070, 0.149, 0.00, 8.1, 21.77, 0.80, },
{0.88, 0.0245, 0.078, 0.169, 0.00, 7.8, 19.00, 0.76, },
{0.9, 0.0310, 0.079, 0.179, 0.00, 7.6, 18.33, 0.76, },
{0.95, 0.0335, 0.075, 0.280, 0.00, 7.6, 13.18, 0.76, },
{1.0, 0.0350, 0.073, 0.352, 0.00, 7.6, 10.30, 0.76, },
{1.1, 0.0370, 0.065, 0.460, 0.00, 7.6, 10.10, 0.76, },
}

-- M - Mach number
-- Cx0 - Coefficient, drag, profile, of the airplane
-- Cya - Normal force coefficient of the wing and body of the aircraft in the normal direction to that of flight. Inversely proportional to the available G-loading at any Mach value. (lower the Cya value, higher G available) per 1 degree AOA
-- B2 - Polar 2nd power coeff
-- B4 - Polar 4th power coeff
-- Omxmax - roll rate, rad/s
-- Aldop - Alfadop Max AOA at current M - departure threshold
-- Cymax - Coefficient, lift, maximum possible (ignores other calculations if current Cy > Cymax)
}, -- end of aerodynamics

Suspension mods from https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3317885/

------------------------ Gear ---------------------------------------------
   nose_gear_pos                                                    = {3.7, -1.86, 0}, -- {forward/back,up/down,left/right} used for initial aircraft placement
   nose_gear_amortizer_direct_stroke = 0.1882,   -- down from nose_gear_pos
   nose_gear_amortizer_reversal_stroke = -0.365, -- max strut compression up from nose_gear_pos
   nose_gear_amortizer_normal_weight_stroke = -0.235,
   nose_gear_wheel_diameter                               =   0.525,

tand_gear_max = 0.64, -- nosewheel steering angle. (tan(32.6)=0.64 +/-32 degrees)

   main_gear_pos                                                    = {-0.3, -2.18, 1.76},   -- used for initial aircraft placement
   main_gear_amortizer_direct_stroke   = 0.1882,   -- down from main_gear_pos
   main_gear_amortizer_reversal_stroke = -0.5795, -- max strut compression up from main_gear_pos
   main_gear_amortizer_normal_weight_stroke = -0.615,
   main_gear_wheel_diameter

#####################

@Fresh Hi Seavoyage,

please tell me how you found out about all this? I am new to programming mods and I would like to update the T-45C. You only just joined the forums, but looking at what you posted you are not new.

Which file should I backup and edit?

Thanks,

Fresh

#####################

VNAO_T45.lua (v1.0.1) file under the 'SFM' (Standard Flight Model) section: the changes are 'aerodynamics' parameters. 'engine' parameter remain the same.

Under the 'Gear' section, the suspension mods shorten the landing gear by increasing the stroke:

   nose_gear_amortizer_direct_stroke = 0.1882,   -- down from nose_gear_pos
   nose_gear_amortizer_reversal_stroke = -0.365, -- max strut compression up from nose_gear_pos
   nose_gear_amortizer_normal_weight_stroke = -0.235,

   main_gear_amortizer_direct_stroke   = 0.1882,   -- down from main_gear_pos
   main_gear_amortizer_reversal_stroke = -0.5795, -- max strut compression up from main_gear_pos
   main_gear_amortizer_normal_weight_stroke = -0.615,

Edited April 9 by seavoyage
Comments to OP and Suspension Mod

Slippa · February 1

I stumbled on this thread yesterday. I've jets already that barely get flown so I'm not exactly in need of another one. Until a few pages in at least.

After a fair bit of fiddling about to get it installed I looked up some cold start advice and started binding inputs. Air Warfare Group, IntoTheBlue and GrimReapers all have videos on YT that were all helpful enough. Next thing I know I'm in the ME at Biggin Hill building a bleedin airshow and I've lost all track of time. Today I added a carrier, in the Estuary and I'm getting in some much needed practice. I've yet to get back on the boat though I haven't really tried much. Busy flying about. Makes a change to fly a jet for a bit as I can barely drag myself out of vintage props for long. It's been alright.

Amazing job everyone made of this. It's really well done and though I'm not sure how many of the team that worked on it are still about or not, I'm grateful just the same. Nice to see a bit of altruism in effect so thanks a lot for this little gem. Really is impressive. Maybe it'll coax me into all the Fs sitting in the hangar too?

I've noticed some of the switches aren't working for me while they do in others videos. Hook Bypass doesn't move, can't think what else. Not sure if it's something I've missed or what.

Good stuff though, thanks a lot.

Flightico · February 12

11-02-2024 Buongiorno piloti, vorrei trovare un profilo già fatto per impostare l' HOTAS Warthog di Thrastmaster per il VNAO T-45 della DCS.

In alternativa c'è qualcuno tra voi che vola con il T-45 ed ha il' HOTAS Warthog che mi può aiutare a impostare i Adjust Comands? GRAZIE

Flightico

MAXsenna · February 12

11-02-2024 Buongiorno piloti, vorrei trovare un profilo già fatto per impostare l' HOTAS Warthog di Thrastmaster per il VNAO T-45 della DCS.
In alternativa c'è qualcuno tra voi che vola con il T-45 ed ha il' HOTAS Warthog che mi può aiutare a impostare i Adjust Comands? GRAZIE
Flightico

I'll look up mine when I get home. But basically I've mapped everything as close to the real thing as possible. Takes < 5 min.
Cheers!

Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk

Slippa · February 12

@MAXsenna Do your switches work on the right hand side? The hook bypass thing and a couple of other switches on my right panel don’t move but the same switches do seem to work in the vids I’ve seen on youtube.

Don’t suppose any of us can check anything at the minute with the login error being sorted.

cheers.

MAXsenna · February 12

@MAXsenna Do your switches work on the right hand side? The hook bypass thing and a couple of other switches on my right panel don’t move but the same switches do seem to work in the vids I’ve seen on youtube.
Don’t suppose any of us can check anything at the minute with the login error being sorted.
cheers.

I'm at work, I'll check when I get home. But I have saved my credentials, and everything always works for me. Community modules should work in any case.

Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk

MAXsenna · February 12

9 hours ago, Flightico said:

11-02-2024 Buongiorno piloti, vorrei trovare un profilo già fatto per impostare l' HOTAS Warthog di Thrastmaster per il VNAO T-45 della DCS.

In alternativa c'è qualcuno tra voi che vola con il T-45 ed ha il' HOTAS Warthog che mi può aiutare a impostare i Adjust Comands? GRAZIE

Flightico

Seems I've lost all my bindings, but they should easily be remade. I'll post them later.

8 hours ago, Slippa said:

Do your switches work on the right hand side? The hook bypass thing and a couple of other switches on my right panel don’t move but the same switches do seem to work in the vids I’ve seen on youtube.

Checking now!

Cheers!

MAXsenna · February 12

9 hours ago, Slippa said:

Do your switches work on the right hand side? The hook bypass thing and a couple of other switches on my right panel don’t move but the same switches do seem to work in the vids I’ve seen on youtube.

This seems correct. Maybe they have an updated version that's unknown to me. Who knows!
In any case, your best bet is to hover the mouse over a button. If it works in game the mouse pointer should turn green, and a keybind should exist in the Controls Settings..

Cheers!

VNAO T-45 Goshawk

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