Focus in new future projects or finishing the ones already started?

[Exorcet]

On one hand, I really want the F-15 to become a full DCS module. On the other hand, improving DCS's core would really make the WWII/Korea/MiG-21/F-5 modules a lot more fun. Even the modern modules would benefit a lot from some focused improvements. There are certainly a few areas in DCS that need attention and I think these things should be considered high priority.

[I_Gamer]

It's my hope that the ED dev team shift their focus from developing modules to further improving on their core simulation. Things like better AI, ATC, Weather, 3D/Rendering, Sound, FX, immersion (civ traffic, animals, people, vehicles), etc.... I could almost see ED doing this and letting 3rd parties develop new aircraft (at least for several months) until the core engine/game is in a better position.

 

I'd love to see DCS make a huge step forward with 3.0 (even though a ways away now). All of the current, as well as future, modules would be so much more enjoyable if the aircraft themselves were not some of the only things highly detailed/simulated.

[Baco]

I will not mention Fiances, That is EDs problem. Now, I really would like to buy WWII airplanes, but you know what the Basis is not there, o damage model, no credible IA, no maps, no fundations... No infrastructure.

 

Modern Jets.. we are getting there.... Very little on ground vehicles or troops, the ships numbers is ridiculous, you really cant have a mission against the AI, because its again, ridiculous, So right now DCS is a huge PvP online sim. Then you buy your bright new plane and its not finished, AND its never ever being finished. and if it was, they brake it in the new version... so DCS is and endless waiting of what could be.

 

If the basics, the core, the world is not there, working like a Swiss watch, then what good is that 3rd parties brake their colectives heads making modules? ED should make teh world, and 3rd parties planes and helos. and ED live of revenue of those 3rd parties. Ed should take care of teh engine, better faster, and more diligently otherwise all of this is just a castle in the air... no foundations.

[nessuno0505]

I really would like to buy WWII airplanes, but the Basis is not there.

 

I agree about ww2 planes. At least a map better than normandy is needed to make ww2 planes appealing to me.

 

Then you buy your bright new plane and its not finished, AND its never ever being finished. and if it was, they brake it in the new version... so DCS is and endless waiting of what could be.

 

This is the real problem of DCS: it needs more focus on software support after release. I do not want to suggest marketing strategies to ED and I'm on the "stop new planes" side of this poll, but I think we can't suggest to pause new planes development really: mi-24 is already scheduled and it won't be a community poll to make it delayed. But I'd like ED to take care of already published modules support. And I would not put yak-52 among the list, since it's early access. I can accept delays or development pauses on an EA module, but not in a so called released one. WW2 planes, Korea jets, f-5, a-10c, ka-50, l-39, uh-1, mi-8, combined arms. These are the modules I ask constant and quicker updates, on par with dcs world base environment. And this is the field in which ED really lacks.

 

ED should make the world, and 3rd parties planes and helos.

 

I do not agree with you here. ED's modules are the best modules available, by far better than any other 3rd party module. You can't ask ED to focus only on the world and to stop doing palnes / helos. DCS would be way less appealing.

[Northstar98]

I think ED and the 3rd parties are doing amazing work, all of them. DCS gives you a chance to experience things you'd normally nevr be able to.

 

That said, and I want to EMPHASISE this next part:

Recognising a need to maintain steady income for all parties, TO THE EXTENT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, I, too, would prefer a greater emphasis on maintenance and updates.

 

I own every module up to this last batch that cropped up (causing me to fall behind) but I can never realistically experience them all. I'm just contributing to the great project. The aircraft I fly the most, ironically, are the Yak-52 and the two Frogfoots. The Yak engine sim is currently borked on startup, and the Frogfoots the most dated aircraft ingame, the T needs an overhaul (also their flagship introductory aircraft for most people).

 

It's an unenviable position juggling all this stuff, and nobody but ED and their collaborators know what is happening behind the scenes, but I would like more attention paid to the old stuff, even if it's in the form of paid updates ala BS3.

 

Absolutely freaking this :thumbup:

[BIGNEWY]

I fly and have fun doing it, with all my modules.

 

To many here over thinking, let ED manage their business, they have being doing it years and doing it well, which is why they are one of the only sims to last this long in this niche market.

 

So third option:

 

I prefer to let ED manage their SIM

[Kongamato]

I fly and have fun doing it, with all my modules.

 

To many here over thinking, let ED manage their business, they have being doing it years and doing it well, which is why they are one of the only sims to last this long in this niche market.

 

So third option:

 

I prefer to let ED manage their SIM

 

Again: this is not a debate about the ED's finances, ED's personal management, what is going to do ED with the feedback, if other customers should or should not buy products in pre-purchase, etc. It´s explained in the first post: Would you prefer ED focus in a new plane after the Viper is released, or would you prefer ED focus on finishing and polishing previous products? That´s all. If some of you want to open a debate about other subjets, it´s OK, you can open a new thread and poll.

 

It´s easy: if you don´t like the poll, don't vote. If you think that, as customer, your opinion is not relevant for ED, don´t opine. But don´t tell the rest of us if we can or can´t start a poll or opine.

[BIGNEWY]

This is an open forum, if you don't like my answer that is your problem, not mine.

[Kongamato]

It's easy: Don't like the way ED runs their business (not yours)? Don't fly in DCS.

 

You are doing a great favor to ED by telling people not to use (and, obviously buy) their products. For sure, ED's community manager is going to give you as a gift for your services the module of your choice for free, and a medal of gold. :lol:

[Kongamato]

This is an open forum, if you don't like my answer that is your problem, not mine.

 

If you don´t know that your answer is an offtopic in this thread, is my problem, since it´s my thread and my poll.

 

Do you want to convince the community that we should accept what ED wants to sell us and should not opine or provide feedback as customers? OK, great. Open your own thread.

 

Again: if you don´t like the poll, don't vote. If you think that, as customer, your opinion is not relevant for ED, don´t opine.

[BIGNEWY]

If you don´t know that your answer is an offtopic in this thread, is my problem, since it´s my thread and my poll.

 

Do you want to convince the community that we should accept what ED wants to sell us and should not opine or provide feedback as customers? OK, great. Open your own thread.

 

Again: if you don´t like the poll, don't vote. If you think that, as customer, your opinion is not relevant for ED, don´t opine.

 

My point is ED know what they are doing, and have done for years, second guessing with your hopes and wishes wont change that.

 

Like I said it is an open forum, I expressed my opinion, feel free to block me.

Or keep replying with the passive aggressive bold text ;)

[DerFangzahn]

These are the open projects which come adhoc into my mind. I am for sure missing some. And none of them are close to finished. FW190 maybe. FA-18 still alot open after 1 year EA. A lot of stuff for ~50+ staff members.

 

Yes, ED should really focus on getting their stuff finished and NOT start anything new.

 

Mi24

Carrier Module

FA-18

F-16

Syria Map

FW190-A8

dynamic Campaign

KA50 Update

A10C Update

[Silver_Dragon]

These are the open projects which come adhoc into my mind. I am for sure missing some. And none of them are close to finished. FW190 maybe. FA-18 still alot open after 1 year EA. A lot of stuff for ~50+ staff members.

 

Yes, ED should really focus on getting their stuff finished and NOT start anything new.

 

Mi24

Carrier Module

FA-18

F-16

Syria Map

FW190-A8

dynamic Campaign

KA50 Update

A10C Update

 

Syria map has none with ED, has a Ugra Media 3rd party project.

https://ugra-media.ru/2018/proekt-blizhnij-vostok/

 

Remember ED has some internal teams on Moscow Main Study centred on warbirds (Fw 190A8, Mosquito, P-47, WW2 assets pack), dedicated server, dynamic campaign, further optimisations of the graphics engine, tools development, customer communications, AI priorities, and other topics. The external studies as Minks Map/TDK team with New Maps (new free and modern / WW2 maps) and the Outside Moscow Zhukovsky studio formerly Belsimtek (Hornet, Viper, Hind, etc).

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=233458&highlight=Wags+moscow

Edited June 6, 2019 by Silver_Dragon

[Kongamato]

My point is ED know what they are doing, and have done for years, second guessing with your hopes and wishes wont change that.

 

Like I said it is an open forum, I expressed my opinion, feel free to block me.

Or keep replying with the passive aggressive bold text ;)

 

Again: this is not a debate about the ED's finances, ED's personal management, what is going to do ED with the feedback, if other customers should or should not buy products in pre-purchase, etc. It´s explained in the first post: Would you prefer ED focus in a new plane after the Viper is released, or would you prefer ED focus on finishing and polishing previous products? That´s all. If some of you want to open a debate about other subjets, it´s OK, you can open a new thread and poll.

 

It´s easy: if you don´t like the poll, don't vote. If you think that, as customer, your opinion is not relevant for ED, don´t opine. But don´t tell the rest of us if we can or can´t start a poll or opine.

[BIGNEWY]

Cant vote, don't agree.

 

Posted my opinion, I am out now.

 

Thanks :)

[Yeti42]

Knowing nothing about coding or development I have to assume that the more stuff they add to the game the more upkeep there is... we have seen updates break different modules in different interesting ways.

I have.... ;)

I'd really like to see ED focus on bug fixing what we have already and adding important core features (some of which have been in development for many years) before moving on to any new modules. But... core features don't bring in money directly, even though them being added would make the DCS world product itself more attractive thus bringing in more customers.

 

 

The problem is... that's how they make money, by releasing new stuff, without a constant stream of revenue, they'd go bust, that would be bad for everyone. That's one of the reasons the FSX team was disbanded, they reached saturation point with FSX and sales slowed, without something new to sell, their revenue dropped and the team became economically unviable for Microsoft.

 

There is a fine line between revenue creation with new modules and "maintenance" of old modules. As I stated in a previous post, it's hard to justify throwing resources at incomplete modules when the resultant increase in sales for that module isn't really there. It's all consumer driven, if we didn't buy incomplete modules ED would be forced to complete them...simples... ;)

[nessuno0505]

It's all consumer driven, if we didn't buy incomplete modules ED would be forced to complete them...simples... ;)

 

I totally agree. The recent growth of topics like this Is a sign people Is starting to ask for complete modules / maintenance of already existing ones, rather than new projects to buy in pre-release. I hope this has a repercussion in viper pre-sales. If not, we won't see any changes. I Will not pre-order the viper. I won't have the Hornet either, until it Will be out of early access. I have bought only PG map since a-10c update has been announced, and I won't buy anything new until I'll have my new a-10c cockpit. I hope many orhers Will do such choices. It's the only way.

Edited June 6, 2019 by nessuno0505

[Sheriff BurneR]

Option 1 is good for 12 years kids

Option 2 for people who want have finished product not demo.

 

Of course im voted for 2 :)

[Tom Kazansky]

 

 

...So third option:

 

I prefer to let ED manage their SIM

 

 

+1

 

 

for me, too.

 

 

btw I have no problem with such polls. They may help ED or they may not. I got used to not having the choice that I'd want to take. No offence.

[twistking]

[...]

So third option:

I prefer to let ED manage their SIM

+1

for me, too.

btw I have no problem with such polls. They may help ED or they may not. I got used to not having the choice that I'd want to take. No offence.

Of course i can't speak for everyone, but when i sometimes gave the impression, that i wanted to give business advice to ED, that was not because i think i knew better.

It was more about making clear that i don't feel entitled to get everything for free: If you are only buying modules, that you actually want to use (like a somewhat sane person would do), DCS can actually be very "cheap" compared to other games if you go by hours of enjoyment per money spent.

So when i complain about missing and broken features or "feature-modules" (carrier), i can't help but wonder, if another busines model would not work better, because for players like me, who seem to be a little bit more picky than others, a more traditional business model would work better for both sides: More income for ED, more satisfaction for customers (that is for customers like me, who have "enough" ac and wish for a better core experience).

 

So, it's less about business advice, but making clear that there are other types of customers also, who are not as vocal as all those impulsive-pre-purchasers, but that are still a big part of the customer base and maybe even the bigger part of it (maybe call it market research advice)...

[Tom Kazansky]

Of course i can't speak for everyone, but when i sometimes gave the impression, that i wanted to give business advice to ED, that was not because i think i knew better.

It was more about making clear that i don't feel entitled to get everything for free: If you are only buying modules, that you actually want to use (like a somewhat sane person would do), DCS can actually be very "cheap" compared to other games if you go by hours of enjoyment per money spent.

So when i complain about missing and broken features or "feature-modules" (carrier), i can't help but wonder, if another busines model would not work better, because for players like me, who seem to be a little bit more picky than others, a more traditional business model would work better for both sides: More income for ED, more satisfaction for customers (that is for customers like me, who have "enough" ac and wish for a better core experience).

 

So, it's less about business advice, but making clear that there are other types of customers also, who are not as vocal as all those impulsive-pre-purchasers, but that are still a big part of the customer base and maybe even the bigger part of it (maybe call it market research advice)...

 

 

As I said, I have no problems with these kind of polls. Even if they exclude alternative opinions. Polls are always in danger of just telling the opinion of the one who initiated it just because there are very simple and not enough answers. I don't want to offend anybody. I find polls are ok. I would find it 'brave' if one answer was always there: "x.) There is no need for a change."

 

 

Certainly a poll is a way to express a wish for a change but with an alternative answer like x.) we would be able to see how relevant this wish is considered to be by the community.

[Kongamato]

As I said, I have no problems with these kind of polls. Even if they exclude alternative opinions. Polls are always in danger of just telling the opinion of the one who initiated it just because there are very simple and not enough answers. I don't want to offend anybody. I find polls are ok. I would find it 'brave' if one answer was always there: "x.) There is no need for a change."

 

 

Certainly a poll is a way to express a wish for a change but with an alternative answer like x.) we would be able to see how relevant this wish is considered to be by the community.

 

If you think a minute about it, the first option means exactly "there is no need for a change". Releasing planes in "pre purchase" and "beta state" before finishing the previous modules is exactly what ED has been doing for the previous years. People that is voting for another project of a plane before finishing the previous ones are voting exactly for continuing like always. Also, a poll must be as simple as posible if you want people answer exactly what you want to know.

 

Anyway, you are free to create your own poll.

[Tom Kazansky]

If you think a minute about it, the first option is exactly "there is no need for a change". Releasing planes in "pre purchase" and "beta state" before finishing the previous modules is exactly what ED has been doing for the previous years. People that is voting for another project of a plane before finishing the previous ones are voting exactly for continuing like always. Also, a poll must be as simple as posible if you want people answer exactly what you want to know.

 

Anyway, you are free to create your own poll.

 

 

I do not agree that the first answer is what is really happening now. I see a lot of efforts that make the core game better and better. I understand your wish though. It is legit imho.

 

 

I also do not agree to the point where polls have to be as simple as possible. If I asked: should animals be killed or should they not be killed is a simple poll. But wouldn't this be too simple?

[Kongamato]

Cant vote, don't agree.

 

Posted my opinion, I am out now.

 

Thanks :)

 

Your opinion is off-topic here.

 

I suggest you to create a poll named "should we the customers express our opinion in this forum about the state of development of the products that ED sell us, or we just stay silent?". There, your opinion would be on-topic.

 

Thanks :)

[Kongamato]

I do not agree that the first answer is what is really happening now. I see a lot of efforts that make the core game better and better. I understand your wish though. It is legit imho.

 

 

I also do not agree to the point where polls have to be as simple as possible. If I asked: should animals be killed or should they not be killed is a simple poll. But wouldn't this be too simple?

 

Problem is, I don't want to ask people if they believe if ED is making efforts or not, or something like that. I want to ask what I want to ask. Again, if you want to know another thing, I suggest you to create your own poll.