Ignoring warnings about pitot heat / engine anti ice etc

[b0bl00i]

Does anything actually happen if these warnings was to be ignored? I always follow them but I don't know if some kind of action is actually simulated.

 

Also, turning of the cabin ventilation, willy that fog up the cockpit?

 

If not, it would really add to the immersion if something like this happened.

[Greyman]

I suspect that the implications of not heeding such warnings would be modelled as part of the failure system, which I hope will be added at some point before the end of EA

[kengou]

Cabin fogging is not modeled in the sim right now at all, which is a shame.

 

 

Pitot icing is definitely modeled on most planes. I've had flights on the A-10C where I forgot the pitot heat and halfway through a mission ended up getting screwy speed and altitude readings. I have yet to test it on the Hornet though.

[Preendog]

Ignored intake ice forever without effect. Not sure about pitot heat (how does one turn that off?)

 

Also, sink rate gear damage does basically nothing (your plane rides a little lower but is otherwise fine). Popping tires causes annoying ground handling, but you can manage just fine.

 

They made a fine plane :)

[CL30]

Ignored intake ice forever without effect. Not sure about pitot heat (how does one turn that off?)

 

Also, sink rate gear damage does basically nothing (your plane rides a little lower but is otherwise fine). Popping tires causes annoying ground handling, but you can manage just fine.

 

They made a fine plane :)

 

Yeah I started to ignore the Intake Icing Caution as it would come on all the time in clear air.

[Greyman]

Ignored intake ice forever without effect. Not sure about pitot heat (how does one turn that off?)

 

Also, sink rate gear damage does basically nothing (your plane rides a little lower but is otherwise fine). Popping tires causes annoying ground handling, but you can manage just fine.

 

They made a fine plane :)

 

the Pitot Heat switch is just next to the pilot's right knee IIRC or their thigh if not. :)

[QuiGon]

the Pitot Heat switch is just next to the pilot's right knee IIRC or their thigh if not. :)

IIRC it only has positions for ON and AUTO though.

[Greyman]

When I've previously flicked it to the on position, the warning message has disappeared, so it looks like either auto= off or does not do what you might expect. otherwise, the pitot heat warning would only be required if something else in the system had failed and I'm not sure such failures have been modelled yet.

 

Edit: or maybe the warning in the title is a combined warning and it is flicking the adjacent eng heat switch that turns it off?

Edited September 24, 2019 by Greyman

[Mr_sukebe]

I’ve had the pitot ice up on the F18 and result it the hud speed being wrong

[CBStu]

I have also been ignoring the inlet icing. Funny thing is I never had that in the Caucuses but get it quite often after I bought the Persian Gulf map in the recent sale.

[JayBird]

I've essentially added turning anti-ice on during my startup. I've never seen any adverse effect from not turning it on, I simply do it to avoid the master caution coming on.

[=4c=Nikola]

Does anti ice affect engine performance? What anti-ice method does the aircraft use?

[Ziptie]

There is currently NO impact of having the engine inlet ice warning alarm in the F/A-18C Hornet. You can either move the switch forward from AUTO to ON, which over a period of time will clear the master caution alarm - and then you can move the switch AFT to set back to AUTO, or you can simply leave it in the ON position with no adverse effect. Seems to typically only be an issue on the Caucasus map, rarely shows itself on the NTTR or PG map.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

[Eagle7907]

Ignoring warnings about pitot heat / engine anti ice etc

 

Just to be clear, the “AUTO” everyone is referring to is for the Pitot Heat. The INLET ICE is the engine ice detector. There is no automatic protection for engines, and functions by separate switch. This has been throughly discussed. Search INLET ICE.

 

 

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Edited September 24, 2019 by Eagle7907

[Greyman]

the confusion perhaps arises out of the fact that the two systems appear to share a single warning message, so the default response is likely to be to switch both to "on".

 

Like i said earlier though, if the Pitot Heat system is effectively on all of the time that the aircraft is in the air, regardless of the switch position, then the "Pitot" bit of the warning message is unlikely to be anything to do with how the switches are set. apart from perhaps the switch being in the Auto setting alongside a fault in the WoW sensor system.

[Eagle7907]

Ignoring warnings about pitot heat / engine anti ice etc

 

the confusion perhaps arises out of the fact that the two systems appear to share a single warning message, so the default response is likely to be to switch both to "on".

 

Like i said earlier though, if the Pitot Heat system is effectively on all of the time that the aircraft is in the air, regardless of the switch position, then the "Pitot" bit of the warning message is unlikely to be anything to do with how the switches are set. apart from perhaps the switch being in the Auto setting alongside a fault in the WoW sensor system.

 

 

 

It is. Auto just had the pitot operated via WOW sensors. On, overrides that function.

 

What I don’t completely understand is the inflight icing procedure says to turn both switches to ON. If the pitot operates automatically inflight, then why switch it? My only guess is insurance? Hotter temperature? Otherwise, the INLET ICE has more to do with engine icing than pitot icing. Just want to make that clear. However, the consensus is correct. There is no simulation of ice ingestion in DCS. I wish there was.

 

 

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Edited September 24, 2019 by Eagle7907

[Greyman]

i guess a very cold and wet carrier deck or airstrip, before takeoff when there is WoW, might increase the risk of a pitot tube freezing up, so it might be possible to see the warning on the ground if the switch is in Auto???

[Eagle7907]

Ignoring warnings about pitot heat / engine anti ice etc

 

i guess a very cold and wet carrier deck or airstrip, before takeoff when there is WoW, might increase the risk of a pitot tube freezing up, so it might be possible to see the warning on the ground if the switch is in Auto???

 

 

 

Yes. If ice detectors accumulate ice, but that’s really extreme ice accumulation. It even says if the INLET ICE appears on ground you should return back to ramp for crew to remove ice to prevent ingestion or possible FOD. Also that might mean engine sensors might have ice on them as well. That will be a bad day if you takeoff in that condition. See Air Florida 90 crash.

 

Normally it shouldn’t detect. You have to abide to the visible moisture and temperature criteria. (Visible moisture and temps 7 degree Celsius or less)

 

 

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Edited September 24, 2019 by Eagle7907

[Stubbies2003]

When I've previously flicked it to the on position, the warning message has disappeared, so it looks like either auto= off or does not do what you might expect. otherwise, the pitot heat warning would only be required if something else in the system had failed and I'm not sure such failures have been modelled yet.

 

Edit: or maybe the warning in the title is a combined warning and it is flicking the adjacent eng heat switch that turns it off?

 

 

More like you are mixing up/confusing engine anti-ice with pitot heating. Which are two different switches entirety. Engine anti-ice has test/off/on. Only pitot heat has auto.

[Eagle7907]

Ignoring warnings about pitot heat / engine anti ice etc

 

Correct. The INLET ICE caution isn’t electrically connected to the pitot heat or engine anti ice. They are separate things controlled separately. The INLET ICE caution is just a message that appears when the ice detector senses ice on itself. That’s it. It doesn’t turn on anything else, it doesn’t operate by WOW logic.

 

However, all of this is very moot, because ice accumulation is only simulated in the sense of pitot icing. You can continue to fly the Hornet with the caution and nothing will happen. Simply because the pitot heat either operates inflight or anytime the switch is ON. Engine anti ice currently has no effect on performance. The End.

 

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Edited September 25, 2019 by Eagle7907

[aaron886]

The frequency of INLET ICE cautions in DCS is hilarious. It's uncommon in reality.

[Greyman]

More like you are mixing up/confusing engine anti-ice with pitot heating. Which are two different switches entirety. Engine anti-ice has test/off/on. Only pitot heat has auto.

 

Which is why i typed the apparently unread last sentence of the post that you quoted.

[Eagle7907]

Ignoring warnings about pitot heat / engine anti ice etc

 

The frequency of INLET ICE cautions in DCS is hilarious. It's uncommon in reality.

 

 

 

It is. Their idea of ice simulation is completely wrong. To me it seems they are just saying 0 degrees = ice conditions, regardless of moisture present or not. But early access. Just turn on the engine anti ice and leave it on. It will not both you.

 

 

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[=4c=Nikola]

So no one knows does engine anti ice affect engine performance?

Edited September 25, 2019 by =4c=Nikola

[Shimmergloom667]

So no one know does engine anti ice affect engine performance?

 

It is known. It doesn't. Full stop.