Is there no "IR" warning?

[Viking 1-1]

Hey guys,

 

I am a little frustrated right now.

 

I´m doing my best in evading SAMs and all that stuff, but it seems I´m always killed by IR missiles like Sidewinders, even though I dont get any missile warning (like I do for SAMs)

 

Is there no warning for IR at all, or is it not implemented? I think the A10 and F/A 18 gave warnings for Radar and IR threads...

[Airhunter]

No, there is not. Unless your plane has a missile launch warning. (For example Mirage and the A-10C have one). Keep your eyes peeled and head on a swivel.

[QuiGon]

Is there no warning for IR at all, or is it not implemented? I think the A10 and F/A 18 gave warnings for Radar and IR threads...

The A-10C does, as it is equipped with a Missile Warning System (MWS). Our Hornet has no such system (and won't get one). Same applies to the Viper. Don't get confused by the MWS switch that is there, it has no function in the real aircraft either (at least not in the 2007 USAF version that our Viper represents).

[ST0RM]

IR wont give any warning on RWR unless equipped with the MWS, as has been said. You need to stay above known MANPAD altitudes and watch for IR missiles coming from enemy aircraft.

[Cytarabine]

If dipping into MANPAD territory it might pay to release flares on your run in and out. Unless you have a good reason otherwise when doing CAS you should aim to be above MANPAD height as much as possible, dipping down to deliver ordinance before returning to the relative safety of altitude. It’s a luxury the Viper has that the Warthog does not.

 

Equally in BFM don’t be afraid to drop a few flares if you lose sight of your enemy for a moment (and of course if you see a launch).

[bell_rj]

Equally in BFM don’t be afraid to drop a few flares if you lose sight of your enemy for a moment

The AI does this if you get behind them even without launching.

[Kid18120]

"preventive flares" is a useful and realistic tactic that saved my ass more than once even on my A10C (sometimes you get too close for comfort to manpads, especially manned CA ones)

[Viking 1-1]

Ok, so more flares for the future!

 

Thanks, guys!

[Cupra]

If yiu got downed by IR SAMs you have been too low or did the wrong task for your plane... The F-16 is not an A-10,,,,If F-16 does CAS then it uses Mavericks, LGB and JDAM... no need to go lower than FL150

[Eldur]

If you're getting shot at by ground based IR SAMs, you've been too slow or circling too tight just above them. Stay at .8+ and don't crank too hard.

[Viking 1-1]

If yiu got downed by IR SAMs you have been too low or did the wrong task for your plane... The F-16 is not an A-10,,,,If F-16 does CAS then it uses Mavericks, LGB and JDAM... no need to go lower than FL150

 

 

No Mavs, no JDAM at the moment.

 

Hope they get released soon. Since we're on that topic: How many Mavs and JDAM is the Viper able to carry?

[Mule]

You probably have this all squared away but it's worth mentioning. Before you even take off you would have been given a detailed threat intelligence briefing and if that briefing said "look there is a high IR threat from man-pads or other systems" Your whole squadron will take that into account and completely change tactics based on that threat.

 

To the point of almost thinking about using other systems to deal with it.

 

The point is, it's not you. Those are legit threats and need to be avoided at all costs.

 

It would be great if we had the tools to develop a flight package to take of all that to meet the mission goals etc. But we don't. There is no "alarm bell ringing" Ir threat for you it's visual or just plain avoid it.

[Rusty]

If yiu got downed by IR SAMs you have been too low or did the wrong task for your plane... The F-16 is not an A-10,,,,If F-16 does CAS then it uses Mavericks, LGB and JDAM... no need to go lower than FL150

 

:megalol:

 

 

Iraq. 2003.

 

F-16s, on multiple occations, strafed convoys and dropped CBU's on ground targets, while getting shot at by radar guided missiles, MANPADS, radar guided + optically guided AAA and iraqi infantry holding AK's.

 

You should read accounts from pilots that were actually there before spouting BS about "doing the wrong task".

 

 

If the task is to, say, go below a 5000ft cloud cover to destroy an enemy armored convoy closing in on friendly troops, then that is what you do.

[b0bl00i]

That kinda sucks. Was it hoping mws would be implemented.

[Harker]

No Mavs, no JDAM at the moment.

 

Hope they get released soon. Since we're on that topic: How many Mavs and JDAM is the Viper able to carry?

Don't quote me on that, but I think that only pylons 3 and 7 allow for interfacing with smart weapons. So that'd make it 4 GBU-38 on dual racks, or 2 GBU-31/-32. I think ED will give the option to carry 4 (or 6) Mavericks on TERs, but I've only seen one Maverick per pylon used operationally. Four Mavs, two per pylon is still feasible, but 3 per pylon is not used, since IRL the exhaust of the innermost missile would singe the stabilator and possibly damage it, as well as introduce unwanted rolling behavior due to the weight.

[Viking 1-1]

Thanks Harker!

 

I would be more then happy if we can carry 4 Mavs. That is enough to get most of the jobs done!

 

Edit: Just watched the release trailer again, and there the Viper is carrying 4 Mavs.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Viking 1-1

[macedk]

Rdaf F-16 has ir warning build in to the weapon pylons...it's a block 15 mlu ..hint hint ;)

[Baco]

Well, there IS a MWS that dates from the first world war. It´s called a Wingman ;)

And using different formations and tactics quadruples their effectiveness...

[Harlikwin]

:megalol:

 

 

Iraq. 2003.

 

F-16s, on multiple occations, strafed convoys and dropped CBU's on ground targets, while getting shot at by radar guided missiles, MANPADS, radar guided + optically guided AAA and iraqi infantry holding AK's.

 

You should read accounts from pilots that were actually there before spouting BS about "doing the wrong task".

 

 

If the task is to, say, go below a 5000ft cloud cover to destroy an enemy armored convoy closing in on friendly troops, then that is what you do.

 

Its funny, I've read all those accounts and those "real life" sams, seem much easier to evade/dodge than DCS ones...

[kega76]

So, if you read the bok Viper Pilot you’ll Get stories from Iraq 2003. The guy is flying SEAD with the F-16 and have the towed decoy available. Also, at least the European F-16 MLUs are equipped with a MAWS and jammers installed in underwing pylons. I’m not sure if US planes have it though. However, information behind this link indicates that a number of such MAWS systems were approved for fiscal year 1997.

 

https://books.google.no/books?id=wuJsAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA278&lpg=PA278&dq=F-16+EWMS&source=bl&ots=XKSlwNycHh&sig=ACfU3U1nRMkk55jmUTWsN5sywogm6GLGug&hl=no&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiypvTUvL_lAhUPwsQBHfvQBFkQ6AEwGXoECAoQAQ

Edited October 28, 2019 by kega76

[Harlikwin]

So, if you read the bok Viper Pilot you’ll Get stories from Iraq 2003. The guy is flying SEAD with the F-16 and have the towed decoy available. Also, at least the European F-16 MLUs are equipped with a MAWS and jammers installed in underwing pylons. I’m not sure if US planes have it though. However, information behind this link indicates that a number of such MAWS systems were approved for fiscal year 1997.

 

https://books.google.no/books?id=wuJsAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA278&lpg=PA278&dq=F-16+EWMS&source=bl&ots=XKSlwNycHh&sig=ACfU3U1nRMkk55jmUTWsN5sywogm6GLGug&hl=no&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiypvTUvL_lAhUPwsQBHfvQBFkQ6AEwGXoECAoQAQ

 

Yeah thats the book I'm referencing, and you're right he does talk about his lil-buddy getting shot off more than once IIRC.

 

I'm just a bit salty after getting hosed down by a dozen manpads on blue-flag when I dipped below the magic 10k mark to evade a shipborne sam. It was a FUUUUU moment, and then I died. :) The intricate spiderweb of launch trails did look cool for about 2 seconds though...