BigDuke6ixx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I fly in VR and I can see the whole HUD. Same here. If you want a realistic view then get VR. 2D is dead for true simulation fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Same here. If you want a realistic view then get VR. 2D is dead for true simulation fans. Wow, Just Wow...:music_whistling: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 20, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) Same here. If you want a realistic view then get VR. 2D is dead for true simulation fans. That is not true what so ever. I know Wags has been discussing with some of the A-10 pilots now using DCS on base. I will see if I can get some more feedback, thanks. Edit: From Wags: The 2D view is as it should be according to the A-10C pilots. It is normal to have to move your head to the side to view the HUD data. We do though plan to move the default eye position slightly up. Edited March 20, 2020 by NineLine Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) That is not true what so ever. I know Wags has been discussing with some of the A-10 pilots now using DCS on base. I will see if I can get some more feedback, thanks. Edit: From Wags: The 2D view is as it should be according to the A-10C pilots. It is normal to have to move your head to the side to view the HUD data. We do though plan to move the default eye position slightly up. The current issue as I see it (for 2D) is not side to side, but top to bottom.... you either can't see the top end of the hud or the bottom (by adjusting seat height)... If I wanna see the the top of the hud from the default position I have to bend my neck and lean downwards. You would get the same effect in the past if you would try to adjust your default position (to the correct one like it is right now), the hud would just scale out of the view.... The same feels like right now, as if the view position got adjusted, but not the hud. 8BexFKs87i0 Edited March 21, 2020 by Shadow KT 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglecash867 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 The current issue as I see it (for 2D) is not side to side, but top to bottom.... you either can't see the top end of the hud or the bottom (by adjusting seat height)... If I wanna see the the top of the hud from the default position I have to bend my neck and lean downwards. You would get the same effect in the past if you would try to adjust your default position (to the correct one like it is right now), the hud would just scale out of the view.... The same feels like right now, as if the view position got adjusted, but not the hud. VR has the same up-down issue, but that's caused by the default viewing position being just a little bit too far to the rear. Are you able to get the whole thing in view in 2D by adjusting your longitudinal position in the cockpit? EVGA Z690 Classified, Intel i9 12900KS Alder Lake processor, MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 64GB DDR5 6400 memory, EVGA RTX3090 FTW3 Ultra 24GB video card, Samsung 980PRO 1TB M2.2280 SSD for Windows 10 64-bit OS, Samsung 980PRO 2TB M2.2280 SSD for program files, LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray burner. HOTAS Warthog, Saitek Pedals, HP Reverb G2. Partridge and pear tree pending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 21, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 21, 2020 The current issue as I see it (for 2D) is not side to side, but top to bottom.... you either can't see the top end of the hud or the bottom (by adjusting seat height)... If I wanna see the the top of the hud from the default position I have to bend my neck and lean downwards. You would get the same effect in the past if you would try to adjust your default position (to the correct one like it is right now), the hud would just scale out of the view.... The same feels like right now, as if the view position got adjusted, but not the hud. 8BexFKs87i0 Thanks for the video, I have only been doing a drive-by on this issue and passing info, I was able to reproduce what you were showing and will add that to the report. Thanks. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Thank you, I am sure you can find plenty of reliable information in this thread, for reference. I am sure we as the community just want the best for the module (in terms of realism) and there is some valuable, real life experience shared here and I hope it can be translated into the SIM 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babok Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) i bought a10c few days ago on sale and i have to say i am very disappointed with the hud right now, cant barely see anything without doing head and body gymnastics, even with adjusting cockpit seat. Edited March 21, 2020 by Babok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobo Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I use VR, so it really isn't something I've ever used (if it is currently implemented as it seems you have suggested). View is perfect for me, in any of the 3 air frames that I fly. Good tool for those who don't use VR I'd say, or those who do and aren't able to get the initial view setup properly. Cheers, Don Yes. I use VR only and Up, down, fore and aft to get proper set position. :thumbup: Lobo's DCS A-10C Normal Checklist & Quick Reference Handbook current version 8D available here: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/172905/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDuke6ixx Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 i bought a10c few days ago on sale and i have to say i am very disappointed with the hud right now, cant barely see anything without doing head and body gymnastics, even with adjusting cockpit seat. It's fine in the beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puma Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 can anyone imagine a real pilot whining this much about a piece of equipment? IRL its a piece of glass with blurry text superimposed attempting to show the results of a computer’s estimation of aircraft and weapon trajectories. Its not a direct feed to your optic nerve that solves the universes mysteries. Its a tool; its imperfect in real life and in sim. Was a previous version aligned in a way that made it seem better than it is irl? Yes probably. Is it possible to learn to use the tool in its present state to complete missions? Yes. You have to adjust tens maybe hundreds of controls to cold start an A-10. Why is adjusting head position such an offensive step to so many? I am thrilled they are investing any effort in the A-10 and afraid that if we “demand” that the effort is rolled back it will be easier for ED to do nothing than to keep it updated. Move your head position so you can see what you need. Buy a trackir for better simulation and its barely noticeable. My preflight checklist: once iffcc test mode is up, I lower the seat height just a bit until I can see the bist message. Then hold my had as far from the screen as I can, zero trackir and when I return to natural head position I can see enough to perform. I re zero trackir a couple times on longer flights. Custom Pit 476 Recruiting i9-12900KF, 32 GB DDR5, Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master, Gigabyte RTX 2080 Ti, 1TB Sabrent Roket 4+ 2x750GB RAID-0, TrackIR 5 /w clip, CRG9 49” Curved Ultrawide Flight Display+15" Touchscreen+17" Gauges display, Thrustmaster Warthog+7.5cm, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, Streamdeck, Butt Kicker and pneumatic G-Seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglecash867 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 can anyone imagine a real pilot whining this much about a piece of equipment? I don't have to imagine it, I get to see it almost every day at work. :smilewink: EVGA Z690 Classified, Intel i9 12900KS Alder Lake processor, MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 64GB DDR5 6400 memory, EVGA RTX3090 FTW3 Ultra 24GB video card, Samsung 980PRO 1TB M2.2280 SSD for Windows 10 64-bit OS, Samsung 980PRO 2TB M2.2280 SSD for program files, LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray burner. HOTAS Warthog, Saitek Pedals, HP Reverb G2. Partridge and pear tree pending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puma Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I don't have to imagine it, I get to see it almost every day at work. :smilewink: Wa ha ha . Okay... maybe “imagine a real pilot... with a real mission”? “A lifesaving missing”? I don’t mean to offend anyone. I remember the fighter pilot podcast episode with the F-14 pilot as they talked about the s$*# they dealt with, resorting to bic pen lids to modify switches, electrical tape to alter nvis lighting, etc. They got it done and I took that to heart with my approach to simming. This would be easy if everything worked and everything went right. It gets fun when you need to improvise, and find creative solutions to any challenge. Custom Pit 476 Recruiting i9-12900KF, 32 GB DDR5, Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master, Gigabyte RTX 2080 Ti, 1TB Sabrent Roket 4+ 2x750GB RAID-0, TrackIR 5 /w clip, CRG9 49” Curved Ultrawide Flight Display+15" Touchscreen+17" Gauges display, Thrustmaster Warthog+7.5cm, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, Streamdeck, Butt Kicker and pneumatic G-Seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 But we’re currently flying brand new A-10Cs so there shouldn’t be any “squawks” [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglecash867 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 But we’re currently flying brand new A-10Cs so there shouldn’t be any “squawks” Heh. Its often the factory fresh aircraft that are the worst. They make me wonder "How in the hell did this thing get certified?" :D EVGA Z690 Classified, Intel i9 12900KS Alder Lake processor, MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 64GB DDR5 6400 memory, EVGA RTX3090 FTW3 Ultra 24GB video card, Samsung 980PRO 1TB M2.2280 SSD for Windows 10 64-bit OS, Samsung 980PRO 2TB M2.2280 SSD for program files, LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray burner. HOTAS Warthog, Saitek Pedals, HP Reverb G2. Partridge and pear tree pending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglecash867 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Wa ha ha . Okay... maybe “imagine a real pilot... with a real mission”? “A lifesaving missing”? No offense taken here. Just adding that for the purposes of bringing a little levity to the thread. For aircraft with real, lifesaving missions, I've seen two extremes there. We have air medical flight crews that squawk everything, and then we have the ones that just "live with" things (sometimes really important systems) and we end up finding them on inspections. When we mention it to the flight crew, one of them always says, "Oh...yeah...its been doing that for as long as I remember." :lol: EVGA Z690 Classified, Intel i9 12900KS Alder Lake processor, MSI MAG Core Liquid 360R V2 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler, G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 64GB DDR5 6400 memory, EVGA RTX3090 FTW3 Ultra 24GB video card, Samsung 980PRO 1TB M2.2280 SSD for Windows 10 64-bit OS, Samsung 980PRO 2TB M2.2280 SSD for program files, LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray burner. HOTAS Warthog, Saitek Pedals, HP Reverb G2. Partridge and pear tree pending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDuke6ixx Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 It's not. Sorry, on my correctly setup system, running the beta, it's fine. As in real life, I have to move my head a small amount to see some of it. So what I'm getting is realistic. Too realistic for crybabies though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDuke6ixx Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 So you got experience on the real thing? Tell me then, how about the CR modes? It's been report by real hog pilots that they can't see the whole of the HUD and they have to move their heads a bit. Maybe that news hasn't reach you sausage side until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Panther= Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 That is not true what so ever. I know Wags has been discussing with some of the A-10 pilots now using DCS on base. I will see if I can get some more feedback, thanks. Edit: From Wags: The 2D view is as it should be according to the A-10C pilots. It is normal to have to move your head to the side to view the HUD data. We do though plan to move the default eye position slightly up. They must be flying some time of prototype A-10C that the rest of the USAF doesn't know about, or maybe they aren't pilots at all. Our pilots, who are not rookies by any means do not need to move their head to read the data on the HUD. Twitch Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Z390 Aorus Xtreme, i9 9900k, G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB, 1080ti 11GB, Obutto R3Volution, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, TPR, Cougar MFDs, FSSB R3L, JetSeat, Oculus Rift S, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, F/A-18C UFC, Tek Creations F-16 ICP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 22, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 22, 2020 I've passed along your concerns. Thanks. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 22, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 22, 2020 Thank you, I am sure you can find plenty of reliable information in this thread, for reference. I am sure we as the community just want the best for the module (in terms of realism) and there is some valuable, real life experience shared here and I hope it can be translated into the SIM No worries, we all want the same thing. We will see how it looks after the next adjustment is made. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watari Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 i´m since 1 month into vr and i have absolut no issues anymore with the new pit and hud. seat position and hud size works perfect and very clear. seams like the new textures are more vr optimized :matrix: =SPEED IS LIFE=:matrix: http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/speed-is-life.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDuke6ixx Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 i´m since 1 month into vr and i have absolut no issues anymore with the new pit and hud. seat position and hud size works perfect and very clear. seams like the new textures are more vr optimized Exactly, it’s fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Says people who have never stepped one foot into the cockpit of an A-10 in their life. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website | v303rd Fighter Group Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted March 23, 2020 ED Team Share Posted March 23, 2020 Says people who have never stepped one foot into the cockpit of an A-10 in their life. He was speaking of VR view I believe which most people seem happy with, there is still an issue with 2D as stated above and we will be making an adjustment. Please share helpful info, and not bicker with each other. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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