Clarification HB F-14 and Supercarrier compatibility

[Robin885]

To answer the last question of OP, the A-7 was confirmed to be compatible with SC. I hope the F-8 will be too.

[viper2097]

This thread is far from embarrassing. Actually a thread like this was what started all this discussion.

 

I will give you a little timeline and maybe you will understand why this question comes up and is important to some:

 

The Supercarrier pre-sale was begun with a video featuring both the F/A-18 and F-14. No details about compatibility were given at that time. Alot of people bought the Supercarrier, including a group a people not owning the F/A-18 and with no plans of doing so. I belong to that very group.

 

Suddenly this thread came up, as you can see by the replies of the first page, no one thought of the Supercarrier beeing not compatible with the Tomcat at that time due to the trailer.

 

BOOM! Wags drops in with this message. And suddenly nothing was clear anymore. It could well be, that the Carrier will never be compatible at all, or completely be from the beginning.

 

IronMike from Heatblur gave alot more hope in a different thread. At that point stuff is rather cool again, it looks like the Tomcat will be compatible from the very beginning.

 

And now with the most recent news the story starts over again. Now we are at "However, we will try our best to add some Supercarrier functionality to Early Access version too" (Wags on the 19th of this month) and even more important: "Integration of DCS: F-14 Tomcat is planned to be delivered with Release State version". so nothing is sure anymore.

 

This is why people ask rather specific questions, because the only sure thing is, money has been spend on the Supercarrier Module.

 

Great post, nails it.

[Wavehopper]

The responses on here to a legitimate question are also the reason why I often don't even bother commenting myself.

 

 

If ED, rather than the staunch defenders answered the question there would be a lot less "drama".

[JayBird]

If ED, rather than the staunch defenders answered the question there would be a lot less "drama".

 

This exactly, I'm not sure why some people act like they have some insider information that only a member of Eagle Dynamics would have.

[Bunny Clark]

"Integration of DCS: F-14 Tomcat is planned to be delivered with Release State version". so nothing is sure anymore.

Well, that's not specifically true. One thing is certain: that "Integration of DCS: F-14 Tomcat is planned to be delivered with Release State version"

 

What's not certain is when in EA the Tomcat will be compatible with the Super Carrier. It is nearly certain that the Tomcat will be compatible, just not certain when it will be. It might work on day 1 of EA, it might not work until release. Most likely the reality will be between those two options.

[Gierasimov]

Ever tried patience?

 

This thread is far from embarrassing. Actually a thread like this was what started all this discussion.

 

I will give you a little timeline and maybe you will understand why this question comes up and is important to some:

 

The Supercarrier pre-sale was begun with a video featuring both the F/A-18 and F-14. No details about compatibility were given at that time. Alot of people bought the Supercarrier, including a group a people not owning the F/A-18 and with no plans of doing so. I belong to that very group.

 

Suddenly this thread came up, as you can see by the replies of the first page, no one thought of the Supercarrier beeing not compatible with the Tomcat at that time due to the trailer.

 

BOOM! Wags drops in with this message. And suddenly nothing was clear anymore. It could well be, that the Carrier will never be compatible at all, or completely be from the beginning.

 

IronMike from Heatblur gave alot more hope in a different thread. At that point stuff is rather cool again, it looks like the Tomcat will be compatible from the very beginning.

 

And now with the most recent news the story starts over again. Now we are at "However, we will try our best to add some Supercarrier functionality to Early Access version too" (Wags on the 19th of this month) and even more important: "Integration of DCS: F-14 Tomcat is planned to be delivered with Release State version". so nothing is sure anymore.

 

This is why people ask rather specific questions, because the only sure thing is, money has been spend on the Supercarrier Module.

 

 

So, with all that you said, and specifically this:

 

 

Alot of people bought the Supercarrier, including a group a people not owning the F/A-18 and with no plans of doing so. I belong to that very group.

 

Is it really that difficult to wait until the EA release and see for yourself what is going to work, and what may need additional time to make it work? Nobody ever said that aircraft other than Hornet is NOT going to work.

 

HB knew, what they needed to do from at least three months, which you kindly referenced in your post, it is their module, and knowing expected EA timeline (Q1 2020) they should have made all effort to deliver their module to appropriate development branch as their top priority so that integration could happen in a timely fashion.

 

It looks like HB is trying to play a blame game now, or maybe it's just their appearance.

 

Let's wait, relax, and bring this up again, should we see that Tomcat is not working with the SC module.

 

I am sure Tomcat will work with HB carrier, right? They said it was coming soon, so maybe before SC?

[RaTzo]

OK resume panicking and pretending that is "being an informed purchaser" lol

 

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[BlackLightning]

@ Jonne: thank you for the recap.

 

IMO it would be better if they wrote a warning on the Supercarrier purcase web page whereby they communicate the possibility of non compatibility with the F14 in early access.

I also think that one of these threads about the compatibility with the F14 should become a sticky and be a sticky even after release if the F14 will not work with the SC from the beginning.

 

I agree with those people who think that this issue should have top priority among the others.

[Bogey Jammer]

RaTzo, why so serious ? are you loosing money ? Well, people here are just asking if theirs has been well spend that's all…

[lee1hy]

This thread is far from embarrassing. Actually a thread like this was what started all this discussion.

 

I will give you a little timeline and maybe you will understand why this question comes up and is important to some:

 

The Supercarrier pre-sale was begun with a video featuring both the F/A-18 and F-14. No details about compatibility were given at that time. Alot of people bought the Supercarrier, including a group a people not owning the F/A-18 and with no plans of doing so. I belong to that very group.

 

Suddenly this thread came up, as you can see by the replies of the first page, no one thought of the Supercarrier beeing not compatible with the Tomcat at that time due to the trailer.

 

BOOM! Wags drops in with this message. And suddenly nothing was clear anymore. It could well be, that the Carrier will never be compatible at all, or completely be from the beginning.

 

IronMike from Heatblur gave alot more hope in a different thread. At that point stuff is rather cool again, it looks like the Tomcat will be compatible from the very beginning.

 

And now with the most recent news the story starts over again. Now we are at "However, we will try our best to add some Supercarrier functionality to Early Access version too" (Wags on the 19th of this month) and even more important: "Integration of DCS: F-14 Tomcat is planned to be delivered with Release State version". so nothing is sure anymore.

 

This is why people ask rather specific questions, because the only sure thing is, money has been spend on the Supercarrier Module.

 

YOU ARE TRUEMAN

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[Ickx]

I don't really have an overview of the different DCS products, what is the usual timeline going from EA to release?

 

All I know is that everything I fly is stuck in EA with little progress or urgency (at least on the surface) towards release state. This is what makes me worried when reading that we might need to wait for EA to end before expect compatibility.

[Chickenbone72]

All i wanna know ..... can i still land my hog on the SC?

[Dudikoff]

All I know is that everything I fly is stuck in EA with little progress or urgency (at least on the surface) towards release state. This is what makes me worried when reading that we might need to wait for EA to end before expect compatibility.

 

IMHO, I wouldn't worry about needing to wait for the EA to end. As ED would want to expand the potential customer base for the SC, the integration of F-14 will be one of the priorities for both ED and HB and if it doesn't get finalized on EA release (due to some last minute API changes on SC side, which seems quite possible given the TODO list), it will get patched in as soon as possible (presumably with the next patch).

 

Also, given the same TODO list, they are aiming for some release date next month, but it will obviously depend on the implementation of the remaining key features and bugs. Since they already missed a previous deadline (Q1), they don't want to repeat that error before they are more certain of the release date. It's one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations.

 

It's a very complex product with a bunch of modules to maintain integrated, so these delays come with the territory I guess. No offense intended, but perhaps the pre-purchase discount might not be worth it for some people given the apparent levels of stress caused.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Dudikoff

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Is it really that difficult to wait until the EA release and see for yourself what is going to work, and what may need additional time to make it work? Nobody ever said that aircraft other than Hornet is NOT going to work.

 

For me personally, no.

 

But it wouldn't be good practice for ED to label their customers as impatient, simply for expecting them to release their products in a functional state by the advertised dates. Some people will lose confidence and simply never come back if that kind of behaviour is displayed.

[RaTzo]

RaTzo, why so serious ? are you loosing money ? Well, people here are just asking if theirs has been well spend that's all…

 

LOL you haven't read my comments.

 

Just read the above summary and I'm hoping your use of spend is as funny as I took it.

[RaTzo]

Some people will lose confidence and simply never come back if that kind of behaviour is displayed.

 

This would be far more productive than the way people seem to continually behave. Pre-Order an Early Access module? YES ALL OF US NOW!!!! "How come it's broken/late/not what we expected???? ED IS TEH EVVVVVEIL!!!"

[M1Combat]

This is a great thread :).

 

Is anyone seriously considering that a company that spent man-years creating the effing !!!EFF FOURTEEN!!! is going to NOT make it compatible with the EFFING carrier?

 

W. T. EEEFFFFF.

 

LOL

[javelina1]

I heard they're waiting to finish up modeling the toilets, then we'll get our SC....

 

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a31929628/uss-ford-toilet/

 

 

(Yes I know, ours is not the Ford...) :-)