correct as is LSO grades 3PTS after landing on main gear

[abak]

Hi,

 

I've just got Cut / 3PTSIW (landed three points) from LSO. I watched the track, and it is clear (to my uncalibrated eyeball) that nose wheel was reasonably high above the deck at touchdown. I admit that my AoA was less than 8.1 because I added power to MIL right before touchdown, but certainly this is far from landing on nose wheel. Please have a look at my track and screenshot.

 

This is version 2.5.6.50793

case 1 c 3pts.trk

[xnomad]

Same here I get cut on 3 wire with 3PTSIW. The damn LSO always cuts me for landings I'm pretty happy with. I did not touch down on 3 points and flew the ball and AOA the whole way down.

[Odey]

Hi,

 

I've just got Cut / 3PTSIW (landed three points) from LSO. I watched the track, and it is clear (to my uncalibrated eyeball) that nose wheel was reasonably high above the deck at touchdown. I admit that my AoA was less than 8.1 because I added power to MIL right before touchdown, but certainly this is far from landing on nose wheel. Please have a look at my track and screenshot.

 

This is version 2.5.6.50793

 

Power too soon I believe is PTS. The 3 i have no idea.

 

Edit- landed on 3 points is correct. My bad.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Odey

[xnomad]

I got a no grade with EGIW on a nice 3 wire last night.

I didn't touch the throttle just before touch down and then went military when I landed. I didn't back off the throttle.

 

The LSO reminds me of my high school math teacher. She hated me and said "I can give you any grade I want".... :cry:

Edited July 17, 2020 by xnomad

[xnomad]

Again, I can't get a passing grade out of the LSO. Track attached. EGIW 3 wire.

EGIW.trk

[Sandman1330]

Again, I can't get a passing grade out of the LSO. Track attached. EGIW 3 wire.

 

You’re not alone!

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=274377&highlight=Egiw

 

I’ve found the only way to avoid this is to slap it to burner right before touchdown. It’s hard to do as I find the hornet tends to want to float over the deck, so often it will result in a 4 wire or bolter.

 

It’s easier in the tomcat because you can use the DLC to stay on the ball when you throttle up.

[bad_turbulence]

Hi,

 

I've just got Cut / 3PTSIW (landed three points) from LSO. I watched the track, and it is clear (to my uncalibrated eyeball) that nose wheel was reasonably high above the deck at touchdown. I admit that my AoA was less than 8.1 because I added power to MIL right before touchdown, but certainly this is far from landing on nose wheel. Please have a look at my track and screenshot.

 

This is version 2.5.6.50793

wow, that's certainly a tough grade, but my question is, how in the heck are you even playing the supercarrier with the frame-rates that are being reported?

[Wildwind]

On 6/11/2020 at 1:24 PM, abak said:

Hi,

 

I've just got Cut / 3PTSIW (landed three points) from LSO. I watched the track, and it is clear (to my uncalibrated eyeball) that nose wheel was reasonably high above the deck at touchdown. I admit that my AoA was less than 8.1 because I added power to MIL right before touchdown, but certainly this is far from landing on nose wheel. Please have a look at my track and screenshot.

 

This is version 2.5.6.50793

case 1 c 3pts.trk 3.67 MB · 13 downloads

 

Just had this same thing happen yesterday to me.  TacView said I was at 7.9 degrees AoA at touchdown, so only 0.2 degrees less than on-speed.

[Program_Apollo]

I have been flying on and off the Supercarrier and I have got perfect passes from a horrible lineup and final, and I have got a cut off grade from a perfect pass. Is anyone else having this problem and is it fixable?

[draconus]

It is still WIP and seem to work better with a Hornet than a Tomcat atm.

[Stearmandriver]

Yup.  One major problem is erroneous EGIW and 3pt critiques, both of which can ding your grade down a level.  The only way to avoid them is to start a power addition a second or two before touchdown, so if you're spooled and on the ball at that point, you can choose between a nice 3 wire trap that's graded poorly, or adding power and riding it into a 4 wire or bolter in an effort to avoid the EGIW critique.  Choose wisely. 

[Wroblowaty]

And even if you have good on speed AoA, remember to pull the stick by a small amount just before touch down, to avoid 3PTS in wires.

[AndyJWest]

The LSO grading-algorithm is flawed. I'd concentrate on trying to make proper landings per procedure, and ignore it. You are liable to acquire bad habits otherwise. 

[BIGNEWY]

Hi,

if you have short examples showing problems please attach them so we can check them

 

thank you

[AndyJWest]

@BIGNEWY This is the same issue that was reported back in June last year.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/237931-lso-grades-3pts-after-landing-on-main-gear/

[BIGNEWY]

merged thanks,

 

will take a look.

[BIGNEWY]

Sadly the track replays end in the drink for me. 

 

If you have short track replays showing the issue please attach them and tag me I will take a look.

 

thanks

[Stearmandriver]

@BIGNEWY this problem is 100% repeatable, there's no need for a user track.  Fly a stable pass, and literally take your hand off the throttle IC.  You'll still get the EGIW grade, even though you obviously didn't reduce power at the ramp. Every single time. 

[falkeblikket]

I do not find the LSO easy to understand. He gives me "_OK_" from time to time, but more often than not it comes as a surprise. I am equally surprised after passes that feels perfectly safe but are graded "C". The 3PTSIW must be bugged I think. 

 

(For reference: I have practiced DCS carrier landings and do not crash anymore, at least not for the last couple of hundred landings or so.)

[BIGNEWY]

sorry for the delay, this has been reported.

 

thanks

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all,

 

feed back from the team, 

 

3PTS error settled when pitch is 3 degrees or less - this means nose wheel is too low, wrong landing attitude

 

thanks

[BIGNEWY]

Just to add to this, 

 

While the issue here is marked correct as is, we do have an issue with touch and goes and a nose down issue which maybe related, this will be addressed in a flight model review.

 

thanks