announced DCS MiG-29A

[Wizard_03]

One got blown up too 

[okopanja]

10 hours ago, Wizard_03 said:

One got blown up too 

It was blown up in 2022 as well.

Edited January 5, 2023 by okopanja

[Wizard_03]

Maybe that's what happened to their plans for it. Hope not. 

[Harlikwin]

9 hours ago, Wizard_03 said:

BS3 is out, no mention of the MiG-29 in 2023 and beyond video. 

Did you watch it? there is polish 29 there... Hmm ED cant do russian stuff... Guess who else has docu-mints?

 

[Fromthedeep]

On 10/30/2022 at 9:00 PM, Gahab141 said:

In a way, i mean, the 3d model is, theu used some documents, but anyway, who cares? Both WT and DCS are games, nothing more

Well if they used some documents then I bet it must be very realistic. I've never understood why people spend their money on DCS if they absolutely don't care about the core concept of the entire project.

[Mike_Romeo]

On 1/5/2023 at 5:31 AM, Harlikwin said:

there is polish 29 there

Sadly it was just the FC-3 MiG-29 with a deafult Poland livery.

[tacts.zeagle]

ED needs to upgrade the FC3 birds, meaning the F-15, Su25, Su27, Su33 and MiG29. Ignoring these aircraft is a mistake at this point. And, since it IS a game, adding the Su25-UTG and MiG-29K would be perfect for REDFOR naval scenarios. 

[Silver_Dragon]

ED dont go to upgade systems on FC-3, only go update 3D models and texture, and correct bugs. And none plans to add more aircrafts. the FC style game has planned to move to Modern Air Combat Standalone.

Has some rumors on the russian forum about a Mig-29A module.

Edited January 8, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[draconus]

32 minutes ago, Mike_Romeo said:

Sadly it was just the FC-3 MiG-29 with a deafult Poland livery.

The one with wrongly turned roundel, they have no shame to still show it off.

@tacts.zeagleIt's not that kind of game. Russian birds are out of question for the near future. Only ones possible are F-15A/B/C/D and A-10A. Not in plans though.

[tacts.zeagle]

33 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

ED dont go to upgade systems on FC-3, only go update 3D models and texture, and correct bugs. And none plans to add more aircrafts. the FC style game has planned to move to Modern Air Combat Standalone.

Has some rumors on the russian forum about a Mig-29A module.

 

Old news and a mistake for ED. They need full modules of those aircraft for relevant game play. Otherwise it's just going to be blue on blue in the future.

[Ironhand]

23 minutes ago, tacts.zeagle said:

…Otherwise it's just going to be blue on blue in the future.

Oh, stop exaggerating. You can always do F/A-18C and F-16C vs MiG-15bis scenarios.

[Fromthedeep]

1 hour ago, tacts.zeagle said:

Old news and a mistake for ED

The attitude of the Russian government towards technical data is not ED's mistake. I'm sure they would make a full fidelity Mig-29 or Su-27 if they could.

[okopanja]

2 minutes ago, Fromthedeep said:

The attitude of the Russian government towards technical data is not ED's mistake. I'm sure they would make a full fidelity Mig-29 or Su-27 if they could.

Both of aircrafts, if we talk about 80s, are well known to both NATO and Ukraine. So I do not see anything that could be really disclosed, which can not be read in manuals available online. Not to mention having aircrafts themselves.

 

[Fromthedeep]

1 hour ago, okopanja said:

Both of aircrafts, if we talk about 80s, are well known to both NATO and Ukraine. So I do not see anything that could be really disclosed, which can not be read in manuals available online. Not to mention having aircrafts themselves.

 

I think it's more of a political issue not necessarily something that has to make sense.

16 minutes ago, Gahab141 said:

Not much less realistic than an invented heli named Ka-50ED or smt like that, lol. Anyway, you could ask players from GS server, for example, there are hundreds of those. They love to press F2, F5, F6, F7, spawn, take off, die non-stop like in WT. Make some research, it might help you understand, huh

So if something is already unrealistic why is that a good argument for making other things unrealistic? As for how people play, that's an entirely different topic. DCS modules are the fundamental elements of the game and they should be as realistic as possible. How people are using them doesn't bother me. If someone is asking to make the fundamental elements less realistic that does bother me because that actively hurts my experience. People playing Air Quake on GS doesn't involve me at all.

[draconus]

1 hour ago, gortex said:

Watched a player in the F-15 catch on fire and lose his wing last night.  At first he spun, but then he regained control and sped away with full burner as if nothing were wrong.

This is actually RL story.

[Repvez]

I totally agree that the eastern type aircraft should go to high fidelity version , at least  clickable cockpits.  I don't understand that why only the MIG29 and szu 27  are not upgraded in the game properly. The opposite site the KA50 is a advanced attack helikopter which was the base of the KA52   and it has already 3 iteration of high fidelity version , not just 3d but  system level.  The Mig 29 special the A version  I think it isn't use anymore  so its outdated and most of the system fully identical like the MIG21 and 19 which are also implemented in the game fully.  But let agree that the government is not allowing to do the realistic way, but why not to do that  only kind of realistic? I mean if we switch a button for the battery then we can figure out what should happen  without any manual.
If we just see the input and the output, but we  don't know what the realistic way for it in behind the scene  it doesn't matter but at least  it seems to work like the real one.

And also strange that most of the eastern weapons  are developed fully  and use on the other aircraft.

All in all, if they say that the government not allowed to do Russian aircraft then why are them there  in game right now too?

And the other hand I  don't think the west  gave the all technical manual for every aircraft and even put also such a system in game which are  not so advance in the eastern part. but they did figour out how can they implement in game .

[Dragon1-1]

The problem is that Russian government could arbitrarily decide to accuse ED team members of being spies, even if they used publicly available documentation from the internet. Lately, Russian government had descended into paranoia and is constantly looking for someone to blame (no doubt because the other option is acknowledging that their failures are the result of their own corruption and graft). Ka-50, at least, is a project that's been around for a long time, and was developed with support of Kamov. If they started asking about the MiG today, they could have found themselves arrested in the middle of the night, or even mobilized and sent to Ukraine.

There are some rumors that Russian team members have moved to Dubai, where they would, perhaps, not have to worry about Russian government, but those are just rumors. In any case, they've said they have "other priorities now", whatever that is. It might be that since MiG-29 was not an option at the time the decision was made, the team that worked on Ka-50 was assigned to make the Chinook instead. 

[Evoman]

5 hours ago, tacts.zeagle said:

Old news and a mistake for ED. They need full modules of those aircraft for relevant game play. Otherwise it's just going to be blue on blue in the future.

Unfortunately ED is unable to do FD modules of Russian aircraft because of political restrictions. However 3rd parties are not bound by the same restrictions, but even they will struggle in acquiring all of the necessary data do make it possible. So the only ones that could possibly do a FF Russian models are the 3rd parties.

One area that ED can focus on is on older eras such as the cold war and WWII to have a more balanced playing filed.

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by Evoman

[draconus]

9 minutes ago, gortex said:

F-15 flew back to base with only one wing and it was on fire the whole way?

'Murica!

https://theaviationist.com/2014/09/15/f-15-lands-with-one-wing/

[Silver_Dragon]

43 minutes ago, Repvez said:

 The opposite site the KA50 is a advanced attack helikopter which was the base of the KA52   and it has already 3 iteration of high fidelity version , not just 3d but  system level.

The Ka-50 was aproval to release on times when the russian goverment and Kamov get info as build a "technology demonstrator" on 2008. And the actual russian secret law put all russia developers as a "foreign agent" with can get to jail... ED has close your studios on Moscow on 2022 and run away to working on other country.

ED was very hard problems to make the actual Ka-50-3, and has been delayed the Mig-29 module from some years ago. Do you think that ED would not have already made a module of a red modern aircraft, if they knew that it would have great benefits and would have had the information at hand if it became different from the current context?

Edited January 8, 2023 by Silver_Dragon

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Those wanting the Fulcrum, Flanker, or any other "redfor" need to understand that the operators of these modern aircraft are not just going to open up their hangars and let randos crawl all over their aircraft. Aircraft they operate under the assumption they're done so for the defense of their state. Your desire to play with them does not outweigh the risks in the eyes of the decision makers and operators.

Whether or not it's justified is irrelevant when the developer is subject to prosecution.

The only hope is 3rd Party and, even then, I'm betting ED is operating with much trepidation.

Edited January 8, 2023 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[F-2]

http://web.archive.org/web/19991002084308/www.aha.ru/~gland/
 

we could see if we could find a copy of this bad boy and use it as a base for a Su-27m.

[Silver_Dragon]

46 minutes ago, F-2 said:

http://web.archive.org/web/19991002084308/www.aha.ru/~gland/
 

we could see if we could find a copy of this bad boy and use it as a base for a Su-27m.

WTF, a dead company? No, no, no. Read the rules.

[F-2]

The Mig-29 is extremely well documented, if current circumstances prohibit ED from making it a FF aircraft then I can think of no better aircraft for an aspiring team to develop as a module. All needed documentation can be provided for the original and a few people have mentioned having access to SMT manuals over the years. 

Just now, Silver_Dragon said:

WTF, a dead company? No, no, no. Read the rules.

They allow it under some circumstances, but I just wanted to bring attention to the fact that the information is out there. A press copy was released and I’ve found screenshots taken a few years ago. Since it was made with SME and manufacturer assistance I thought it was worth a mention.

[Silver_Dragon]

42 minutes ago, F-2 said:

The Mig-29 is extremely well documented, if current circumstances prohibit ED from making it a FF aircraft then I can think of no better aircraft for an aspiring team to develop as a module. All needed documentation can be provided for the original and a few people have mentioned having access to SMT manuals over the years. 

They allow it under some circumstances, but I just wanted to bring attention to the fact that the information is out there. A press copy was released and I’ve found screenshots taken a few years ago. Since it was made with SME and manufacturer assistance I thought it was worth a mention.

This doesn't work the way you think. ED is trying to make a Mig-29A (9-12), not a Su-35 or a Mig-29 SME (9-18), which is much more advanced and could put ED in more trouble. Remember that ED has moved into the professional environment and knows what it can and cannot do.

This is not going to a dead company, and tried to contact with the development team of a professional product, and intent give the data of an airplane and make a DCS World module... especially when he can face a "Cease and Desist" or worse for appropriating IP intellectual property information.

To make a module, you have to knock on doors, to get approval... contact those who have the rights to the Mig-29 and see if it can't be found in a legal problem, even using open sources.

We have several examples, such as attempts to make an A-4 Skyhawk by various 3rd parties that had to give up due to licensing issues with its current owner, such as Heatblur not being able to make an F-14D version because certain manuals and information are restricted. Or even to the question why ED can't make B-52s or B-1Bs...because a lot of information is missing and certain manuals are classified.

Edited January 8, 2023 by Silver_Dragon