MAXsenna Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Purchased on the subway on my way home. Patch ready when I get home? Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOrion Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Update online per il download! 1 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" My Blog (Italian): Notti a (Video)Giocare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 2x 970EVO Plus + 980 EVO Plus|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Perfect timing! null 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, MAXsenna said: Purchased on the subway on my way home. Patch ready when I get home? Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk Buying an Italian plane (module) while first time in Italy is a totally new experience. 6 VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants -- this is how I fly. We do not fly at treetop height, we fly between trees(TM) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc9BDi-STaqgWsjNiHbW0fA My simple missions: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/284071-vr-flight-guy-in-pj-pants-simple-missions/ NSRI - National Strategy Research Institution, a fictional organisation based on wordplay of Strategic Naval Research Institution (SNRI), a fictional institution appears in Mobile Suit Gundam UC timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto pallen Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 in download 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) Traded some ED miles, so the pain with USD --> € exchange was better to live with But wanted to help our Italian friends. Patch downloading. Edited October 28, 2022 by gulredrel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 From patchnotes DCS 2.8.0.32235.1 DCS: MB-339 by IndiaFoxtEcho Fix - Canopy not locked in auto start procedure Fix - Out Of Range exception Improved external 3D model UV Mapping Fix warning lights illumination Fix on campaign mission 4 for end mission Fix on voiceover training mission Ripple MK82 Fix on safety pin landing shutdown Fix on A/A mission Improved static force and damping nosewheel Thanks @6S.Duke and IFE-Team. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6S.Duke Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 Following your reports on the presence of bugs on our MB-339 that were resolved by changelog, we contacted the ED to investigate the problem. Unfortunately it seems that the changes have not been incorporated by the new DCS World hotfix but we have been assured that they will be available with the next update of DCS World OB.We apologize for the inconvenience, we are working to close the reports as soon as possible.Thanks for your patience.IndiaFoxtEcho Visual SimulationsInviato dal mio ASUS_I005D utilizzando Tapatalk 2 2 MB339 EFM Coder Frecce Tricolori Virtuali [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOrion Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) On 11/2/2022 at 10:11 PM, 6S.Duke said: Following your reports on the presence of bugs on our MB-339 that were resolved by changelog, we contacted the ED to investigate the problem. Unfortunately it seems that the changes have not been incorporated by the new DCS World hotfix but we have been assured that they will be available with the next update of DCS World OB. We apologize for the inconvenience, we are working to close the reports as soon as possible. Thanks for your patience. IndiaFoxtEcho Visual Simulations Inviato dal mio ASUS_I005D utilizzando Tapatalk Just seen the change-log for new OB version 2.8.0.32235.1: no tracks of 339 fixes. Do ED just forget to add them the CL or... ? Edited November 17, 2022 by LordOrion RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" My Blog (Italian): Notti a (Video)Giocare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 2x 970EVO Plus + 980 EVO Plus|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) Some files in my DCS_World_OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\MB-339 folder have today's date (MB339A.dll, FM config.lua, some training missions and so on...), so maybe there were changes, but they are only missing in ED's patch notes or are these changes which were missing last time but were present in change notes. I guess @6S.Duke is busy finding this out. Update: There is a message on discord, that the changes didn't make it in the patch. They are working on it. Don't know it this means, there will be an ED hotfix? I guess something has changed, the warning panel looks a bit better. There previously was a background which was too black. This is no more the case or it's my eyes Edited November 17, 2022 by gulredrel updated discord info 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YSIAD_RIP Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 3 hours ago, gulredrel said: Some files in my DCS_World_OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\MB-339 folder have today's date (MB339A.dll, FM config.lua, some training missions and so on...), so maybe there were changes, but they are only missing in ED's patch notes or are these changes which were missing last time but were present in change notes. I guess @6S.Duke is busy finding this out. Update: There is a message on discord, that the changes didn't make it in the patch. They are working on it. Don't know it this means, there will be an ED hotfix? I guess something has changed, the warning panel looks a bit better. There previously was a background which was too black. This is no more the case or it's my eyes According to DCS autoupdate_log.txt the last entries are pointing to various MB-339 folders and files.... Last lines from \Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\autoupdate_log.txt 00473.427 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Cockpit/Resources/Model/Shape/cockpit_MB-339.edm 00473.427 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Cockpit/Resources/Model/Shape/ 00473.427 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Cockpit/Resources/Model/ 00473.427 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Cockpit/Resources/ 00473.427 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Cockpit/ 00473.427 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/dcs_manifest.bin 00473.428 INFO : MKDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/FM/ 00473.429 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/FM/Config.lua 00473.429 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/FM/ 00473.430 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Missions/Campaigns/Georgian Campaign-4-Ship SAR.miz 00473.430 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Missions/Campaigns/OpGeorgianJob.cmp 00473.430 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Missions/Campaigns/ 00473.431 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Missions/Training/MB339-Air-to-Air-Gun-Pods-Training.miz 00473.431 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Missions/Training/MB339-Landing-and-Shutdown-Training.miz 00473.432 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Missions/Training/MB339-MK82-Training.miz 00473.432 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Missions/Training/ 00473.432 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Missions/ 00473.432 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/header.edch 00473.432 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/ 00473.433 INFO : MKDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/bin/ 00473.434 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/bin/MB339A.dll 00473.434 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/bin/ 00473.434 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/ 00473.434 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/ 00473.434 INFO : RMDIR E:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/ 00473.434 INFO : Installed 1915 files. 00473.477 STATUS: Installing runtimes... 00474.033 STATUS: Cleaning up... 00474.033 STATUS: Cleaning up... 00474.726 STATUS: Successfully updated to 2.8.0.32937 00483.302 === Log closed. 1 Do not own: | F-15E | JF-17 | Fw 190 A-8 | Bf 109 | Hardware: [ - Ryzen7-5800X - 32GB - RX 6800 - X56 HOTAS Throttle - WINWING Orion 2 F16EX Grip - TrackIR 5 - Tobii 5C - JetPad FSE - ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipHavoc Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 The IFE discord got a post a couple hours ago in the news channel: Quote DCS MB-339 users please be informed that the DCS Open Beta released today does not include the fixes to the MB-339 we have been working on. These will be released as soon as possible - thanks for your patience and understanding. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianky Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 New patch incoming... maybe this time will have the 339 update. Gotta say, I'm not happy about how ED is treating IFE and this module: first they release at the same time there's a sale (a thing I haven't seen them do in any other case), then they don't include the fixes in the OB patches... not cool. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Fingers crossed. First module for IFE. We don't know how ED's development kit supports config, branch and release management and such things. Hope they will work out a stable working process for the future. HB or other 3rd party developers had times when their changes didn't make it into updates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOrion Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Again, no signs of 339 bugfix... This is becoming a sort of bad joke IMAO. 3 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" My Blog (Italian): Notti a (Video)Giocare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 2x 970EVO Plus + 980 EVO Plus|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 I‘m disappointed too, but the module is enjoyable as it is for me. Bug fixes would be much appreciated but I won’t stop flying it while waiting. 3 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, LordOrion said: Again, no signs of 339 bugfix... This is becoming a sort of bad joke IMAO. A bit weird, yes. From autoupdate_log.txt, files were updated again, so don't know... Spoiler Zeile 103: 00022.246 INFO : MKDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\DemoMods/aircraft/MB-339/ Zeile 129: 00022.259 INFO : MKDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/ Zeile 130: 00022.259 INFO : MKDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/ Zeile 220: 00022.291 INFO : PACK_DECODE_SUCCESS: DemoMods/aircraft/MB-339/dcs_manifest.bin Zeile 240: 00022.297 INFO : PACK_DECODE_SUCCESS: CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/header.edch Zeile 251: 00022.301 INFO : PACK_DECODE_SUCCESS: CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/dcs_manifest.bin Zeile 314: 00022.885 INFO : MKDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/ Zeile 317: 00022.886 INFO : MKDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/ Zeile 332: 00022.890 INFO : PACK_DECODE_SUCCESS: CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/header.edch Zeile 343: 00022.894 INFO : PACK_DECODE_SUCCESS: CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/dcs_manifest.bin Zeile 615: 00070.230 INFO : MKDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/bin/ Zeile 651: 00078.404 INFO : RMDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/bin/ Zeile 708: 00078.957 INFO : INSTALL CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/dcs_manifest.bin Zeile 709: 00078.957 INFO : INSTALL CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/header.edch Zeile 710: 00078.957 INFO : RMDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/ Zeile 711: 00078.957 INFO : RMDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\CoreMods/aircraft/MB-339/ Zeile 843: 00078.996 INFO : INSTALL DemoMods/aircraft/MB-339/dcs_manifest.bin Zeile 844: 00078.996 INFO : RMDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\DemoMods/aircraft/MB-339/ Zeile 1271: 00079.171 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/dcs_manifest.bin Zeile 1272: 00079.171 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/header.edch Zeile 1273: 00079.171 INFO : RMDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/Sounds.edc/ Zeile 1274: 00079.171 INFO : MKDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/bin/ Zeile 1275: 00079.172 INFO : INSTALL Mods/aircraft/MB-339/bin/MB339A.dll Zeile 1276: 00079.172 INFO : RMDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/bin/ Zeile 1277: 00079.172 INFO : RMDIR E:\games\DCS_World_OpenBeta\_downloads\Mods/aircraft/MB-339/ Will fly it anyway if there's time, still much enjoyable when taking care of that front wheel. Edited November 18, 2022 by gulredrel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomcatFly Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 It's really an amazing MB339, congratulations to all the dev. team and the long work they did to reach such a top quality jet! Question: any one having the feeling the pitch and roll trim being little bit too much effective, even to the single hat switch trim click (TM F-16 HOTAS joystick in my case)? Sometimes, it seems (my feeling) one click up / down (same for roll axis) is little bit too much to keep the jet nice and stable as I would expect the real 339 should be, at 200, 250, +300 kias. Thanks and enjoy the 339! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 It's really an amazing MB339, congratulations to all the dev. team and the long work they did to reach such a top quality jet! Question: any one having the feeling the pitch and roll trim being little bit too much effective, even to the single hat switch trim click (TM F-16 HOTAS joystick in my case)? Sometimes, it seems (my feeling) one click up / down (same for roll axis) is little bit too much to keep the jet nice and stable as I would expect the real 339 should be, at 200, 250, +300 kias. Thanks and enjoy the 339! Trim speed will be changed and probably a slider where you the user can choose it.Cheers! Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YSIAD_RIP Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, TomcatFly said: It's really an amazing MB339, congratulations to all the dev. team and the long work they did to reach such a top quality jet! Question: any one having the feeling the pitch and roll trim being little bit too much effective, even to the single hat switch trim click (TM F-16 HOTAS joystick in my case)? Sometimes, it seems (my feeling) one click up / down (same for roll axis) is little bit too much to keep the jet nice and stable as I would expect the real 339 should be, at 200, 250, +300 kias. Thanks and enjoy the 339! Yes agree. The Free MB-339 had a Trim Speed option in the SPECIAL menu. I assume the Dev team will add it back once other higher priorities are addressed. I think that the A-4E-C has one of the better SPECIAL menu options regarding Trim speed for Elevator, Aileron and rudder Speeds. 1 Do not own: | F-15E | JF-17 | Fw 190 A-8 | Bf 109 | Hardware: [ - Ryzen7-5800X - 32GB - RX 6800 - X56 HOTAS Throttle - WINWING Orion 2 F16EX Grip - TrackIR 5 - Tobii 5C - JetPad FSE - ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimp Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, TomcatFly said: It's really an amazing MB339, congratulations to all the dev. team and the long work they did to reach such a top quality jet! Question: any one having the feeling the pitch and roll trim being little bit too much effective, even to the single hat switch trim click (TM F-16 HOTAS joystick in my case)? Sometimes, it seems (my feeling) one click up / down (same for roll axis) is little bit too much to keep the jet nice and stable as I would expect the real 339 should be, at 200, 250, +300 kias. Thanks and enjoy the 339! Many real aircraft are too sensitive to trim input and, especially in pitch, require several opposite input trimming until a fine tuned position is achieved that allows prolonged hands off flying or with only small manual stick input. As for the MBB-339 I don’t know so my info is (for now) non aircraft specific. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6S.Duke Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 Hello! This is our preliminary change log for next OB update. Improved tip tank textures for Ghana, Malaysia, Peru, UAE liveries Improved external 3D model UV Mapping Improved static force and damping for nosewheel (this issue still monitored and under investigation with ED Team, please report any occurrence) Improved ME customizations page for better readability: Fixed: Pilot Equipment selection list Added: Aircraft Variant selection to choose between external model MLU/Pre-MLU Added: checkbox to store apart the Gun Camera of the gunsight (Guncamera feature still WIP) Added: options changes are visible and updated in payload editor Removed reflective texture when mirrors are closed (as suggested by the Community) Reduced FFB intensity when the landing gear is down Flight Manual Updates Updated mission editor special menu section Added gunsight depression tables (thanks to Giaco1) Added gunsight depression tables to Kneeboard Added G structural overload sound effect Added possibility to partialize the airbrake position (see the following para) Added the following keybindings Airbrake Extend Airbrake Retract Toggle Emerg Landing Gear Toggle Fuze SAFE -> NOSE/TAIL Toggle Fuze SAFE -> TAIL ONLY Weapons Jettison Toggle Master Arm Switch Selective Jettison Button Lock/Unlock Flight Controls Toggle SEQUENCE Single/Ripple Toggle Station 1 Toggle Station 2 Toggle Station 3 Toggle Station 4 Toggle Station 5 Toggle Station 6 Toggle Front Seat Fuel Dump Toggle Rear Seat Fuel Dump Engine Start Toggle Front Seat Anti-Skid System Toggle Rear Seat Anti-Skid System Toggle Fuel Transfer Switch Toggle Front Seat Fuel Shut Off Switch Toggle Rear Seat Fuel Shut Off Switch Toggle AHR/GPS On/Off Toggle Anti Ice Engine Switch Toggle Front Seat Pitot Anti-Ice Switch Toggle Rear Seat Pitot Anti-Ice Switch Toggle Windshield Demist Switch Toggle Rain RMLV Switch Toggle Master Arm Inib Switch Toggle Beacon light switch Toggle Flash/Steady Nav Light switch Toggle Nav Light Brt/Off switch Toggle Nav Light Dimm/Off switch Toggle Taxi Light On/Off Switch Toggle Landing Light On/Off Switch Fixed: Smoke lights are visible on MB-339A when the gunsight is not installed Fixed: TACAN MODE knob position of rear seat Fixed: Flaps does not have collision model Fixed: Formation lights are not visible on Tip Tanks for the following liveries: Gray Italian Air Force, Frecce Tricolori, Al Fursan Fixed: Lost damage arguments for main gear vanes are now correctly linked Fixed: Canopy severance handle and frame opening handle passing through blind hood on the external model Fixed: AM(Malaysia) preset payload wrongly loading LR-25 instead of LAU-3 Fixed: AP(Peru') missing payload preset Fixed: TipTanks are now correctly removed from the model in payload window Fixed: Crash on eject when in multicrew Fixed: Rear Seat ICS Initialization Fixed: HSI shows TrueHeading instead of MagneticHeading Fixed: Rear pilot present only from the internal view when "Solo" flight mode is selected Fixed: Easy flyable with one wing Fixed: CDU/RDU shows wrong TTG and GS Fixed: desync preset frequencies set out of range in mission editor Fixed: Rear seat throttle always control the engine in multicrew Fixed: Impossible to communicate with ground crew when the canopy is closed Fixed: Impossible to bind Comm Menu on Hotas Fixed: Instructor Rudder Pedal Animation is Reversed Fixed: Low intensity for warning lights illumination Fixed: Impossible to end the mission 4 of mini-campaign Fixed: Wrong voiceover on training mission for MK82 ripple selection Fixed: A/A training mission blinds the air contacts Fixed: Canopy not locked in auto start procedure Fixed: Long loading times when a mission is launched Fixed: Wrong empty weight value 4 3 MB339 EFM Coder Frecce Tricolori Virtuali [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Great! Thanks. "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulredrel Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) Thank, quite extensive. I guess, the issue has been solved which prevented the changes being within the last updates. Looking forward to the fix regarding taxi explosions due to fragile nosewheel. Edited December 1, 2022 by gulredrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianky Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Thank you Duke, great list, can't wait for the update! 29 minutes ago, gulredrel said: Looking forward to the fix regarding taxi explosions due to fragile nosewheel. Me too, I really wanna see if the 339 can survive in an online high threat environment... up to now I always died on the taxiway! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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