QuiGon Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 5 hours ago, F-2 said: It’s a duel developed module? That’s kinda cool. I'm actually not really sure what "developed in partnership with ED" means in this regard Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, QuiGon said: I'm actually not really sure what "developed in partnership with ED" means in this regard I'm pretty sure it simply means: "We are developing a module by ourselves that can only exist within the framework that is DCS which is made by ED". As far as I understand, making a module for DCS requires access to, and use of, certain APIs that are specifically made for DCS by ED. As such, it is a partnership. Edited January 28, 2022 by Raven (Elysian Angel) 2 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Yeah, HB have been using that phrasing forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) On 1/28/2022 at 6:59 PM, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: I'm pretty sure it simply means: "We are developing a module by ourselves that can only exist within the framework that is DCS which is made by ED". As far as I understand, making a module for DCS requires access to, and use of, certain APIs that are specifically made for DCS by ED. As such, it is a partnership. On 1/28/2022 at 7:04 PM, TLTeo said: Yeah, HB have been using that phrasing forever. That's also what I thought too, but got talked down on the ED Discord when I said that Edited January 30, 2022 by QuiGon 1 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) It means that we develop it, and ED are our partners, as they are on every project, because we develop it for DCS. They are our partners and named as such in everything we do and ever will for DCS. This does not mean that they actively develop along on our modules at all (while they ofc help in the more brought aspect). Feel free to quote me on that, on whatever discord folks claim otherwise. Edited January 28, 2022 by IronMike 12 3 Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatloss Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, IronMike said: It means that we develop it, and ED are our partners, as they are on every project, because we develop it for DCS. They are our partners and named as such in everything we do and ever will for DCS. This does not mean that they actively develop along on our modules at all (while they ofc help in the more brought aspect). Feel free to quote me on that, on whatever discord folks claim otherwise. Great to see you in this thread! Very happy to see you guys doing the work on this module (The day F-4S or F-4J with AWG-10B and VTAS II is announced is the day I die of happiness). Is the 4E drawing on any of the work completed by belsimtek, or is that too old/not up to standard in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, IronMike said: It means that we develop it, and ED are our partners, as they are on every project, because we develop it for DCS. They are our partners and named as such in everything we do and ever will for DCS. This does not mean that they actively develop along on our modules at all (while they ofc help in the more brought aspect). Feel free to quote me on that, on whatever discord folks claim otherwise. Didn't see those comments people mention, but since Belsimtek was already working on the model, didn't you resume the work from there in any aspect? Is it a whole new module by Heatblur? Just asking out of interest, not "accusing" you of anything or something like that. I don't see any problem if it were a true collaborative work at any level, day 1 purchase anyhow . Edited January 29, 2022 by Ala13_ManOWar "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 1/24/2022 at 1:47 AM, QuiGon said: Honestly, there is no need for an F as it is just a budget E variant with less capabilities. IMHO I think the F might as well be a livery unless we can get the ICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 9 hours ago, Ala13_ManOWar said: Didn't see those comments people mention, but since Belsimtek was already working on the model, didn't you resume the work from there in any aspect? Is it a whole new module by Heatblur? Just asking out of interest, not "accusing" you of anything or something like that. I don't see any problem if it were a true collaborative work at any level, day 1 purchase anyhow . I'm wondering that as well. I know there was talk about Belsimtek doing it. I hope they worked together as that could speed up development time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 9 hours ago, Ala13_ManOWar said: Didn't see those comments people mention, but since Belsimtek was already working on the model, didn't you resume the work from there in any aspect? Is it a whole new module by Heatblur? Just asking out of interest, not "accusing" you of anything or something like that. I don't see any problem if it were a true collaborative work at any level, day 1 purchase anyhow . 100% from scratch by us. 10 3 Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatloss Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, IronMike said: 100% from scratch by us. This really is the best timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.J.S Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 9 hours ago, IronMike said: 100% from scratch by us. Which in itself just says “quality”. The HB hallmark. Alien desktop PC, Intel i7-8700 CPU@3.20GHz 6 Core, Nvidia GTX 1070, 16GB RAM. TM Warthog stick and Throttles. Saitek ProFlight pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 14 hours ago, IronMike said: 100% from scratch by us. That's good to know, indeed. Thanks mate!! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/28/2022 at 4:07 PM, IronMike said: It means that we develop it, and ED are our partners, as they are on every project, because we develop it for DCS. They are our partners and named as such in everything we do and ever will for DCS. This does not mean that they actively develop along on our modules at all (while they ofc help in the more brought aspect). Feel free to quote me on that, on whatever discord folks claim otherwise. So out to curiosity, how are you guys gonna address stuff like the early sparrow "reliability" issues that are well documented. Is that gonna make it into DCS in some form or fashion? 1 New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Weapons are ED not 3rd parties The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, joey45 said: Weapons are ED not 3rd parties Well, seeing the recent phoenix fiasco, thats not really an accurate statement. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 20 hours ago, Harlikwin said: So out to curiosity, how are you guys gonna address stuff like the early sparrow "reliability" issues that are well documented. Is that gonna make it into DCS in some form or fashion? A bridge to cross when we get there, really, but also a question for early aim9s, etc - although it is very likely that aim7s and aim9s will be ED side, not us. As you know us, we will do our best to model it as true to life as possible, and as reasonable gameplay wise as possible. Modeling stuff that just doesnt work, is kinda beside the point if that makes sense. It is better then to not offer it. But if it actively adds to the gameplay, to your tactics, etc - then ofc it is something that can be a ton of fun because of its quirkyness. 2 Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
near_blind Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, IronMike said: although it is very likely that aim7s and aim9s will be ED side How many goats must we line up for ED to finally put together the intermediary Air Force and Navy Sidewinders between the B and the P and L? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, IronMike said: A bridge to cross when we get there, really, but also a question for early aim9s, etc - although it is very likely that aim7s and aim9s will be ED side, not us. As you know us, we will do our best to model it as true to life as possible, and as reasonable gameplay wise as possible. Modeling stuff that just doesnt work, is kinda beside the point if that makes sense. It is better then to not offer it. But if it actively adds to the gameplay, to your tactics, etc - then ofc it is something that can be a ton of fun because of its quirkyness. Cool, I mean alot of that stuff is pretty well documented, and while some of it was like reliability/poor maintence, and some of it was "user error" there was still alot of it that was just the weapon not being that good in the first place. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Harlikwin said: Cool, I mean alot of that stuff is pretty well documented, and while some of it was like reliability/poor maintence, and some of it was "user error" there was still alot of it that was just the weapon not being that good in the first place. We'll see - it is one of these things where gameplay and realism have to be weighed against each other. If it is just a source of frustration for the user, while not adding any form of gameplay, it becomes a tough decision real quick. Kind of like refueling: in air, easy to ask of someone to do, it is fun in it being a challenge. On the ground, waiting around for 30 min doing nothing, not so much, if you catch my drift. But realism will always get considered first. But anyway, we are not there yet, we'll see. 7 2 Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostdog688 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I’m sure you don’t want to send us all into hype-erdrive, but given you have made a commitment to this year that you’ve repeatedly said you are confident with, are you able to elaborate where you are in the development process and what level of work remains?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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