GGTharos Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/17042660/detail.html#- These guys simulate red air. They're experienced. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.S Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 /O [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTiger Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I read about this too. The thing I read didn't mention red flag but did say that the airmen were part of an aggressor squadron...wow. Sad thing to hear. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agm Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 :( Настоящие герои входят в землю головою © Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Last time USAF have bad time :C Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemonic Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdunkaroos Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 have they found out the reason that caused it? --NiTiN-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedTiger Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 have they found out the reason that caused it? I don't mean to sound morbid, but this would be interesting. I would imagine that Red Flag is a dangerous thing to be a part of. I don't know if any restrictions are placed on pilots on how they can handle their aircraft, but if there are none, I'd imagine they're flying "for real" at and beyond the envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 I'm pretty sure you still have to respect the bubble. There's probably no hard deck. It might be another longeron failure, though I sort of doubt that. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmonaut Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Sad news. Those aggressor pilots are probably the most experienced combat pilots on the planet. Cozmo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Minimum effort, maximum satisfaction. CDDS Tutorial Version 3. | Main Screen Mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Sad news! R.I.P. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Mayst thou live among the saints. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Pilot killed in F-15D crash identified Lt. Col. Thomas Bouley, pictured here, died in a aircraft crash during Red Flag 08-03 on July 30, 2008. Colonel Bouley was the 65th Aggressor Squadron commander. (Air Force photo) http://www.nellis.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123109008 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borchi_2b Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 RIP may haven be what you imagined it would be. 4500 hours, hmm, it is hard to believe that the crash could be caused by him, i believe tech problems again with the old bird. but we will see what the investigations will bring up http://www.polychop-sims.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00t74 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Not to bring up an old post but here was the findings... http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/11/ap_f15_crash_112408/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue_blade Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Interesting. The back seater survived, ejecting "four-tenths of a second earlier at 744 feet". I thought the back seat comes out second usually? no? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 (edited) Back seat always come first, if not you run the risk of front seat hitting the back one. Not sure how it work on F-15 but on the F-16 there is also a selector lever. Aft (normal) Front ( never seen it set to that ) and Solo :Correction: F-16 ejection selector on the rear cockpit has three settings: - Normal-- Front seat can jettison both cockpits, aft seat can jettison single, front seat activation will eject aft seat first then front - Aft-- Aft seat can jettison both, when aft seat or front seat activate sequence, aft seat goes first - Solo-- Self explanatory, front seat ejects without delay I wonder if it work like this in the F-15 Edited June 8, 2010 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 .... or the front seat rocket plume cooking the backseater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug88 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Wow, hard to believe that an "undetectable" imperfection in the nose cone was enough to make the difference between an easy recovery and loss of pilot and aircraft. Anyone else surprised by this? Bouley would have normally recovered control of the jet after just a few spins, but the other problems caused the F-15 to spin more severely — roughly 20 times in 87 seconds — before Bouley recovered and ejected, Otto said. The imperfection in the so-called radome was subtle enough to remain undetectable until Bouley exceeded maneuvering limitations, Otto said. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avilator Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Wow, hard to believe that an "undetectable" imperfection in the nose cone was enough to make the difference between an easy recovery and loss of pilot and aircraft. Anyone else surprised by this? The imperfection may have set up a vortex that interacted in an unforeseen, negative manner with some other things going on that compounded to result in rendering the aircraft unrecoverable. If the vorticies coming off the nose are even slightly different from one side to the other in strength and composition, they can "suck" the nose one way or the other. This can lead to a spin-inducing yaw, which would persist throughout and complicate the recovery. The linked article also mentioned an imbalance in the external fuel tanks, which would have complicated things even more. My condolences to the family. I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvsgas Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Wow, hard to believe that an "undetectable" imperfection in the nose cone was enough to make the difference between an easy recovery and loss of pilot and aircraft. Anyone else surprised by this? Well, there's more to it that just the nose imperfection. Fuel imbalance, aerodynamic designed of the aircraft and the nose cone imperfection. http://usaf.aib.law.af.mil/F-15D_Nellis_30Jul08.pdf The nose cone imperfection is very vague and it could mean a thousand different things not necessarily related to aerodynamic. This could imply a failure with a sensor probe or metal fatigue that ultimately cause structural failure, etc. My point is don't take the "nose imperfection" very literally. Edited June 24, 2010 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 The fuel imbalance is what makes me think 'Pilot Error'. It is specifically stated in the -1 that agressive maneuvers with imbalance of more than 600lb are prohibited. Fuel imbalance causes the aircraft to become more prone to departure. Having two external fuel tanks also impacts stability in a big way IIRC - in other words, it just seems like he was asking for it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Davies Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I'd be interested in reading the full report, but fuel imbalance has been a significant contributor to Eagle losses over the years. It is standard practise to check and call that your fuel is balanced between BFM set-ups in the Eagle jet, and one wonders whether this was accomplished on this particular sortie. I have seen the HUD video of an F-15E in a spin following a flight control problem that happened as soon as the pilot executed an 8g break turn - it's massively disorientating to watch even while sitting on the ground at 0 knots and 1g. Steve Davies https://www.10percenttrue.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikoyan Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I'd be interested in reading the full report, but fuel imbalance has been a significant contributor to Eagle losses over the years. It is standard practise to check and call that your fuel is balanced between BFM set-ups in the Eagle jet, and one wonders whether this was accomplished on this particular sortie. I have seen the HUD video of an F-15E in a spin following a flight control problem that happened as soon as the pilot executed an 8g break turn - it's massively disorientating to watch even while sitting on the ground at 0 knots and 1g. can you post the link to the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avilator Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 ...Having two external fuel tanks also impacts stability in a big way IIRC... Carrying anything larger than say, an AMRAAM will impact stability, no matter how much it weighs. The problem is the extra surface area, which would cause the tails and rudders (the primary spin recovery surfaces) to be less effective. I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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