fixed Game breaks in F10 while GCI

[CMD-Wade]

Still happening for me too since last update.

 

[Fireshake]

I did not see anything about this in the patchnotes. I dont even think ED cares about this problem. It has been around for over 6 months, it happens to me every time I open the map and it is always a gamebreaker. I literally can not play the Game since the release of 2.7. Really frustrating. No DCS for over half a year!

[GeoS72]

Here is an updated DxDiag because of updated video drivers.

 

The link is to the track file while playing in Multiplayer. The track file is LARGE (45 MB). The time at which the icons disappeared was around 21:00 EST. The track file ends at 21:09 EST.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gNDMpSClVWC9MnvaCkmwaeMuNVXM66VO/view?usp=sharing

DxDiag-2021-09-18.txt

[GeoS72]

dcs.log.old

 

Sorry, I forgot to add the DCS log file.

[Lemtre]

problem still persists,

 

here is my DxDiag,

DxDiag.txt

[Goggz]

These DXDiag &  DCS.logs were taken a minute after the icons disappeared in a multiplayer game with Discord & Track IR running alongside.

dcs.log DxDiag.txt

[JIGGAwest]

I'm so frustrated at this point. This is such a game breaker for me. 

 

AMD 5900X / Radeon 6900XT 64GB ram

 

This issue has plagued many users for months and months. I understand wanting to fix this by understanding why this happens. But, in the meantime...

 

Please DEV's, please..... Please....

 

Would you instead implement a UI elements reset function ....

 

Thank you, I would be forever grateful. And again thank you for you artistry and hard work. I love DCS!!!

 

 

 

[mmarques]

I've had it happen doing several different things, zooming, moving the map, even not touching the map but just increase the time speed and it just happens.

I was unable to pin it to one event or trigger but it always happens when having the map open and it affects other UI elements as demonstrated.

 

As a software developer myself, I feel like this might be a hard one to track down.

[Special K]

As DCS is using Direct X and it is only happening on AMD cards, it's most likely their implementation of Direct X that is wrong at some point.

Unfortunately, ED can't fix issues in the AMD graphics drivers. So if they - by chance - find out, what exactly is causing the issue, there might be a workaround. But that is unclear.

Most likely we will see another AMD patch in the near future and the issue vanishes with that.

[GeoS72]

@Special K, this problem manifested itself with the launch of DCS 2.7 and it still remains. My computer system remained unchanged when DCS migrated from 2.5 to 2.7. It may seem plausible that AMD changed driver codes however, the disappearing icons started shortly after the launch of DCS 2.7. It is more likely that the code DCS uses to interface with the graphics card, albeit DirectX or other methods, may be suspect. Perhaps a coordinated effort between ED and AMD can resolve this issue? If required, the Microsoft DirectX team may be able to shed some light on this problem.

 

I hope that this problem can be resolved with the effort from ED, AMD, and potentially DirectX. Are there any steps taken to contact AMD for developer assistance?

 

P.S. AMD had a recent driver update before Fri, 17 Dec and the disappearing icons problem still persist.

Edited September 21, 2021 by GeoS72
Added Post Script

[CMD-Wade]

Installed the new AMD driver yesterday, and am still getting it.

dcs.log

[CMD-Wade]

Loaded Patch today and still same problem.  Should I also be including the DXDiag logs? or is ED actually looking at these? would be good to know whether I'm wasting my time or not.

 

dcs.logDxDiag.txt

Edited September 23, 2021 by CMD-Wade

[GeoS72]

@CMD-Wade,

 

I provide an updated DxDiag log only when my video drivers are updated. I don't think it makes a difference but some info may be garnered from an updated DxDiag file.

[-Dagger-]

 I'm also affected by this bug as I have a 6900 but I've discovered that as long as you don't press the button "show all routes" in the map screen, the bug won't happen (or at least it didn't happen in my computer) so at least this is a workaround...

 

@Flappie Perhaps this can make it easier for the devs to debug it as it seems to be linked with the display of the waypoints.

 

Steps to reproduce:

1: Have an ATI card

2: Start the mission linked here: https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/268351-game-breaks-in-f10-while-gci/?do=findComment&comment=4762762

Select blue side, game master slot.

It probably works with any other mission but that's how I did it at least...

 

3: Go to map view and make sure that the button "show all routes" is deactivated

 

4: Play with the map view by selecting different units, zoom in and out, press F8 over units to view them and go back to map view, etc...

5: Press the button "show all routes" and see how all the UI breaks down. If it doesn't, just deactivate it and go to step 4 to try again...

It doesn't happen 100% of the times but it's quite easy to reproduce it consistently if you play with the map for 1 or 2 minutes

 

Relevant GIF where the bug is shown:

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by -Dagger-

[Amarok_73]

2 hours ago, -Dagger- said:

as long as you don't press the button "show all routes" in the map screen, the bug won't happen

Unfortunately it's not true. Use of this button speeds up the issue, but without using it, eventually the bug will happen anyway.

[Flappie]

3 hours ago, Pipok said:

Unfortunately it's not true. Use of this button speeds up the issue, but without using it, eventually the bug will happen anyway.

 

The faster devs can reproduce the bug, the better.

 

Thanks @-Dagger-, I'll add your procedure to the bug report.

[-Dagger-]

6 minutes ago, Flappie said:

 

The faster devs can reproduce the bug, the better.

 

Thanks @-Dagger-, I'll add your procedure to the bug report.

Sounds good. I think that somehow the error is related with the display of the lines of the waypoints as when you press over a unit you can also see their waypoints and that might be acumulating.

Also, since now you can "trigger" the bug I saw that there's nothing written in the log so it's useless to attach it.

Edited September 23, 2021 by -Dagger-

[Flappie]

18 minutes ago, -Dagger- said:

Also, since now you can "trigger" the bug I saw that there's nothing written in the log so it's useless to attach it.

Yes, we made the same observation. This is the worst part, because it means devs have to guess what's happening.

[Denominus]

Sometimes I can go for hours without it happening. Other times my UI bugs out every few minutes and the only fix is to restart DCS.

 

Also a 5700XT user.

[Trooper.Banshee]

I'm running a RX6800XT, R5 3600 and 32gb RAM on an X470 MB. This issue is occurring for me every single session, whether I use the waypoint button or not.

[JayRoc]

So what langugage is DCS coded in?

[dorianR666]

1 hour ago, JayRoc said:

So what langugage is DCS coded in?

C++ with a bit of Lua

[JIGGAwest]

might have some good news to report. 

 

It seems with the latest Radeon drivers 21.9.2, I've not experienced any f10 UI element issues.

 

Although, I haven't spent much time in combined arms to know for sure with extended use.

 

But, normal airframe usage seems to be working well.

[Amarok_73]

5 hours ago, JIGGAwest said:

It seems with the latest Radeon drivers 21.9.2, I've not experienced any f10 UI element issues.

Sorry to bring the bad news, but it's still in place with this drivers version...

[JIGGAwest]

On 9/28/2021 at 4:24 AM, Amarok_73 said:

Sorry to bring the bad news, but it's still in place with this drivers version...

Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I guess I've been lucky recently, which previously, was not the case - at all. Minutes of usage would cause this errors. 

 

Personally still have not recently seen an issue. I play dcs for hours a day.