Static Command Center - undead

[Gierasimov]

Hi @BIGNEWY

I just tested the claim that @TheTrooper made in another thread and it seems that Command Center static object in fact cannot be killed now.

 

I had the mission in the past where I was bombing Command Center and one other static bunker with 2000lbs bombs - that mission worked for me  in May 2020 fine, with static destruction based triggers and all. 

 

Now, in Wags' video about GBU-24 from December 2020 it is visible that the first Command Center was not destroyed after it was hit by GBU-24.

 

 

I was able to reproduce this toady in Syria map, track attached.

 

 

UNDEAD-CC.trk

[dorianR666]

i confirm this

[toutenglisse]

16 hours ago, Gierasimov said:

...Command Center static object in fact cannot be killed now....

 

It has 10000 life pts. After the biggest explosion possible with editor (power set to 10000"units") it still has 3841 pts, and an other 6500 "units" explosion finally kills it (0 pts, destroyed model).

Several statics have big amount of life pts, but I think this one is the toughest.

Statics attributes here : DCS-miscScripts/ObjectDB/Statics at master · mrSkortch/DCS-miscScripts · GitHub

Edited May 15, 2021 by toutenglisse

[Gierasimov]

19 hours ago, toutenglisse said:

 

It has 10000 life pts. After the biggest explosion possible with editor (power set to 10000"units") it still has 3841 pts, and an other 6500 "units" explosion finally kills it (0 pts, destroyed model).

Several statics have big amount of life pts, but I think this one is the toughest.

Statics attributes here : DCS-miscScripts/ObjectDB/Statics at master · mrSkortch/DCS-miscScripts · GitHub

 

From the player perspective this is obvious bug. 

[toutenglisse]

18 hours ago, Gierasimov said:

From the player perspective this is obvious bug. 

 

Yes. I have yet not tried to see what amount of points a GBU24 does remove, just for curiosoty, but not much compared to the 10000 points I fear

 

EDIT : a GBU24 deals 1173 pts of damage. It requires 8 and a half (9) bombs of this type to destroy the command center. Not as bad as I was thinking. Maybe no bug I don't have references about how resilient is this type of bunker against a 2000 lbs bomb ? But 9 bombs seem a hudge number.. I remember being able to destroy a command center with a 1000 lbs bomb (GBU10) in the past...

Edited May 16, 2021 by toutenglisse
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[TheTrooper]

On 5/15/2021 at 8:46 PM, Gierasimov said:

From the player perspective this is obvious bug. 

Further testing I have found that Any hardened structure which has a green top on it (excuse names of objects) are also affected.

[Gierasimov]

On 5/15/2021 at 9:58 PM, toutenglisse said:

 

Maybe no bug I don't have references about how resilient is this type of bunker against a 2000 lbs bomb ?

 

 

In the video from Wags, I linked, he specifically talks about the difference between GBU-10 and GBU-24, indicating that the latter has got penetrator warhead that "allows it to defeat targets like bunkers". Therefore implying that this weapon in DCS is meant to destroy bunkers.

 

Furthermore, although not specifically mentioned, a penetrator warhead would be BLU-109/B, which, depending on conditions can penetrate 1.8-2.4 meters of steel reinforced concrete.

This command center object we have in DCS does not look like anything close to high command underground bunker, nor does it look more resilient that bunkers and HAS objects in DCS Syria map for example, through which BLU-109 (GBU-24 or GBU-31) goes without any issues.

 

Considering all this, this is a bug.

[patpatpowercat]

Same. Any news?

[Paladin1cd]

In to monitor, having the same issue. 

[Bumblefox]

I guess *bump* this thread. I've got one of the Command Center objects in a mission and have pounded it with the 2000 lb JDAM penetrator from the Viper multiple times, and no effect. Including playing with the fuse delay. The static Command Center doesn't even seem to have a hit point track when you view it in the F10 map. 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Bumblefox

[BrzI]

Takes 6 Kh29s to kill this baby. Resistant as hell - for sure.

As of May 29th 2022...

[jubuttib]

Did some testing tonight, lobbing multiple bombs from active pause:

GBU-8 HOBOS: Can kill if it hits, but usually it doesn't, since it aims at the center of the command center, and due to the antenna that's pretty high up.

GBU-10: Takes a minimum of 3 from what I could see, sometimes 4. This assumes all hit exactly on the center.

GBU-24: One hit kill if it hits the center, every time when tested at least.

GBU-31A: Like GBU-10, took a minimum of 3 in testing.

GBU-31B (Penetrator): Same as GBU-24.

Mk84: Never managed below 4. Delays of 0.0, 0.01, 0.025, 0.05 and 0.1 didn't produce any difference in performance.

Edited September 9, 2024 by jubuttib

[Gierasimov]

Thanks @jubuttib. It means more / less it is fixed then. Bunker buster bombs killing it is good reason to use them in the game.