greenmamba Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Just a thank you to ED for the changes in the Gains, especially landing gains. The aircraft behaves much more "stable" and you now can easily hold the proper pitch to aerobrake without having to pull too hard. Thank you and keep going on for the F-16. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpool Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 There were changes in the flight model? O_o Lincoln said: “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." Do not expect a reply to any questions, 30.06.2021 - Silenced by Nineline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feipan Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Placebo, probably. I never had problems with the aerobrake or with actual control, despite the bad axis gains with no FSSB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobiasA Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 vor 2 Stunden schrieb greenmamba: Just a thank you to ED for the changes in the Gains, especially landing gains. The aircraft behaves much more "stable" and you now can easily hold the proper pitch to aerobrake without having to pull too hard. Thank you and keep going on for the F-16. Didn't know if I was getting used to it or if it is really better. It felt different but I haven't flown heavy loadouts yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebabil Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 yesterday i was sliding left to right, right to left. still landing behavior not perfect FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 No placebo. Landing Gains is significantly better and in flight the plane is much more stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavven Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, greenmamba said: No placebo. Landing Gains is significantly better and in flight the plane is much more stable. Yeah, just did a couple landings now, one clean with low fuel and one with wingtip AIM-120s and 6000 lbs fuel and in both cases I seem to aerobrake much more easily. Edited May 21, 2021 by Xavven 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCPanda Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 According to ED: no FM change. Could just be your feeling. I fly the Viper everyday. Same as before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobiasA Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 vor 12 Stunden schrieb Xavven: Yeah, just did a couple landings now, one clean with low fuel and one with wingtip AIM-120s and 6000 lbs fuel and in both cases I seem to aerobrake much more easily. So I am not the only one with that feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 (edited) Sorry guys to disappoint you. But if you look in the F16 folder you'd see that just a little files got update (like materials, device.lua etc). These files are clearly no files that have something to do with the FM. You can even look in the FM folder and see the files still have the old date. Edited May 22, 2021 by darkman222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonzo0181 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 There was an update to high-alpha handling (so that includes landing performance) a few patches back. It helped with aerobraking. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobiasA Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 vor einer Stunde schrieb Bonzo0181: There was an update to high-alpha handling (so that includes landing performance) a few patches back. It helped with aerobraking. Wait what? That wasn't a placebo back then? Is there any official source for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Bonzo0181 said: There was an update to high-alpha handling (so that includes landing performance) a few patches back. It helped with aerobraking. Yes.. When was that mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totmacher Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 15 часов назад, darkman222 сказал: Sorry guys to disappoint you. But if you look in the F16 folder you'd see that just a little files got update (like materials, device.lua etc). These files are clearly no files that have something to do with the FM. You can even look in the FM folder and see the files still have the old date. File in game folder path ...\DCS World\Mods\aircraft\F-16C\bin\F16C.dll like over protected .dll files changing in every new version of game "Своя FM не пахнет" (С) me https://dcs.silver.ru/ DCS World Sustained Turn Test Data Asus Z97M-PLUS, Intel Core i5 4690K OC 4126MHz, 16Gb DDR3 DIMM 2250MHz (10-10-10-26 CR2), GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavven Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 hours ago, totmacher said: File in game folder path ...\DCS World\Mods\aircraft\F-16C\bin\F16C.dll like over protected .dll files changing in every new version of game Yep... mine has a modified date of 5/21/2021, which is last Friday: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I no programmer. But as long as you think the FM is saved in a DLL file, seems legit then. I seriously doubt it, just google what a DLL file is for. I would expect it to sit in a LUA file or at least in the FM folder we have for the F16. But just my 50 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SteelFalcon_ Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 To me it feels the same as it did before 2.7, so any „feels changed“ is probably placebo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totmacher Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 час назад, darkman222 сказал: I no programmer. But as long as you think the FM is saved in a DLL file, seems legit then. I seriously doubt it, just google what a DLL file is for. I would expect it to sit in a LUA file or at least in the FM folder we have for the F16. But just my 50 cents. I'm programmer. FM code is protected, crypted code, stored in .dll file. In FM folder stored some tabular data. For example , FA-18C FM folder 2.5.6.47404 and 2.7.0.56590 is identical, but FM was little changed https://dcs.silver.ru/64,12 1 "Своя FM не пахнет" (С) me https://dcs.silver.ru/ DCS World Sustained Turn Test Data Asus Z97M-PLUS, Intel Core i5 4690K OC 4126MHz, 16Gb DDR3 DIMM 2250MHz (10-10-10-26 CR2), GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I just gave a try. No changes in landing gains. Both pitch and roll gains are still wrong. On ground (> 110Kts) I can't maintain nose up without a fair stick deflection backward (no AOA blending). 3 ASUSTeK ROG MAXIMUS X HERO / Intel Core i5-8600K (4.6 GHz) / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE 12GB / 32GB DDR4 Ballistix Elite 3200 MHz / Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB / Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Platinum / Windows 10 Home 64-bit / HOTAS Cougar FSSB R1 (Warthog grip) / SIMPED / MFD Cougar / ViperGear ICP / SimShaker JetPad / Track IR 5 / Curved LED 27'' Monitor 1080p Samsung C27F396 / HP Reverb G2 VR Headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmamba Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 For me it is no placebo. I noticed the change as soon as i launched the F-16 module. And for me on landing the way the airplane behaves is different from previous versions. I have FSSB and i notice the slightest change especially how much force i have to input to control the plane. i stand by my experience. Before i had to apply some back force to keep the nose up and below 120 kts i had to pull even harder. Now with noticeably less back power i can keep the nose up until 90kts before it drops from itself. I don’t know why we have such different feedbacks. In my flight control curves i have everything as default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavven Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 12 hours ago, darkman222 said: I no programmer. But as long as you think the FM is saved in a DLL file, seems legit then. I seriously doubt it, just google what a DLL file is for. I would expect it to sit in a LUA file or at least in the FM folder we have for the F16. But just my 50 cents. I'm not a career programmer but I'm in IT and develop some very basic applications in .NET. A DLL file can contain almost any code you want. It's possible, likely even, that the flight model is hard coded and in a DLL instead of loaded externally from a LUA file. I don't really know because I'm not on the ED development team. But personally, I routinely put multiple projects into separate DLLs. It's certainly one way to do modular programming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkman222 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Placebo or not. A slight FM change does not help anymore. The F16 needs a complete FM overhaul. Edited May 24, 2021 by darkman222 7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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