Can't land the damn thing.

[Gunfreak]

Or I can land it, as in I get wheel on the strip, sometimes a very nice smooth landing, sometimes a bit more brutal, but I get down, the problem is after some time on the strip, the F16 wants to just slide around, it wants to turn out to the side of the strip while still at high speed. I try to correct carefully with my pedals, but that only makes turns the plane into a drift car. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Gunfreak

[Spurts]

There are a few possible culprits. 

 

When are you turning on NWS?  It should only be used under 60KIAS IIRC.

 

Are you airbraking to under 100KIAS?

 

If you are actively using wheel brakes then one side may have locked and started sliding. 

 

She isn't easy to learn how to land but once you understand what is causing a non nominal runout it is easy enough to get under control. 

[Caster]

What spurts said! Keep NWS off, airbrake, and remember that ABS hasn't been implemented (I think), so easy on the brakes. One last thing to add, more for anyone else, this is an excellent tutorial for landing the viper 

 

[darkman222]

Exactly. ABS ( anti skid) is not implemented, yet. You need pedals with toe breaks. Otherwise it will be very difficult. After touchdown I push the toe breaks just 70 % and release the pedal to which side the F16 wants to turn to.

For me, NWS works fine to support the process.

But until we get anti skid there is no way to avoid the F16 ice skating on the runway I guess.

Edited July 21, 2021 by darkman222

[Dawgboy]

This thread is perfect!  Thanks for the tutors who shared their insight so well.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Dawgboy

[cromhunt]

Hello:)"Gunfreak"

Did you maintain the nose upward after touching the ground?

I mean maintain your AOA until the speed goes down and the nose wheel touch naturely the ground?

You will see that as your speed is low the stuff stills straight even if you apply brakes.If you apply both at the same time.

At least it will be more in control.

Make some attempt and you will be surprised by that setting.

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by cromhunt

[Pineapple Pete]

I haven't viewed the Video yet but, upon rollout when the speed drops below approx 90 kts, I add full back elevator just to add more drag to the airplane. Seems to help some. People to tend to relax back pressure once the nose falls through.

[Nealius]

One thing to note is that DCS Viper on-speed can be up to 10kts faster than it should be in real life. The heavier you are at landing, the larger the difference between DCS and real-life on-speed becomes.

 

I've had best results landing with no more than 3,000lbs of fuel. Any heavier and the nose tends to fall too soon for you to maintain an effective aerobrake. Once the nose is down I hold the speed brake switch aft to keep them extended more (they aren't fully extended with gear down to avoid striking the runway), and slowly add brake pressure and differential braking to slow down and keep her centered. NWS off until I've slowed to 20kts. I tried holding aft stick to use the horizontal stabs as additional airbrakes, but the deflection isn't enough to really make a difference. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Nealius

[ruddy122]

I agree with Neilius anything above 3K on fuel it’s not a pleasant experience

Aerobrake is key and AOA is key. I fly an approach at 11AOA and then Flare

Be gentle with the brakes. ABS not implemented yet on rollout


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[CobaltUK]

If the ABS is not implemented why is the brake function so different when you turn off antiskid ? At least it used to be but i am behind in versions.

[ruddy122]

All I know is don’t slam on the wheel brakes unless you like swerving the DCS viper


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Some good gouge from an F-16 Instructor

Try to fly at 11 AOA

Aerobrake works

Be Gentle on the brakes

And don’t forget to fully extend the speedbrakes on rollout


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[ruddy122]

9000 feet runway or better to start could land in less than 8000 ft

Good Examples Senaki-Kolkhi, Ramat David, and Khasab, Rota Airport and Tinian Airport


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[Gunfreak]

I don't even tuch the breaks, and it wants to swerve to the side, never get close to NWS speeds. 

I'll try and keep the nose up longer and use airbrakes. 

[Csgo GE oh yeah]

Does your mission have insane strong winds or something ? 
It shouldn't be that difficult to land the F16 . Yes it's a bit more twitchy than FC3 aircraft but pretty easy. 

You don't have to keep the nose off the ground, and you can slam the brakes as soon as you touch down. But yes you do need to apply some rudder. 

Make sure nose wheel steering is off, untill you feel you can't rudder enough anymore and need the nosewheel. 

[DD_fruitbat]

I don't find you have to use the nose wheel steering or the rudder, just the toe breaks when rolling out, I'll use the rudder when I'm still air breaking if needed.

 

 

Edited July 25, 2021 by DD_fruitbat