mosquito now in free trial Trial License?

[Nealius]

On 9/19/2021 at 12:43 AM, DD_Fenrir said:

Entitlement much? 
 

 

We went from demo CDs/downloads of games being the standard in the late 90s and early 00s to demo DLC being "entitled."

Edited September 21, 2021 by Nealius

[fapador]

@Nealius and then they tell you the world gets better day by day... 

[Art-J]

No matter how one feels about early access schemes, Il-2 comparison and whatnot, ED explanation/clarification should be given, because of the precedent of free trial on Mi-24 release.

 

And so the clarification was given above, by ED boss herself. Not much to discuss further I'd say.

[fapador]

8 minutes ago, Art-J said:

No matter how one feels about early access schemes, Il-2 comparison and whatnot, ED explanation/clarification should be given, because of the precedent of free trial on Mi-24 release.

 

And so the clarification was given above, by ED boss herself. Not much to discuss further I'd say.

After nearly 4 days of initial release and that is because of my post. We might be still waiting for a reply if it wasn't for it @Art-J

Edited September 21, 2021 by fapador

[Cab]

55 minutes ago, fapador said:

After nearly 4 days of initial release and that is because of my post. We might be still waiting for a reply if it wasn't for it @Art-J

 

 

So? What did the delay cost you? It's not like you're actually standing in line somewhere only to be told there's nothing to be waiting for.

 

[Kilted_Kerbal]

2 hours ago, Kate Perederko said:

Yes, there is still no trial for Mosquito. We haven't forgotten about it. It's not added to the trial on purpose. 

It will be added to trial program during Autumn.

 

There are a lot of videos and reviews for Mosquito to make the decision. And if you are still unsure we will provide the possibility to try it later on.

Sorry - but this seems disingeniuos @Kate Perederko - again - the Mi-24 Hind went immediately into the 14 day free trail option for people to at least get a feel for it and decide if it was the right airframe to buy or not. It's all very well to watch @Wagneret all flying it on YouTube, but if you have actually played the game, you will know that different aircraft have different feels, and the best way to figure this out without throwing another crap ton of money at a module, is to fly it for a short period. I just don't see why the team including @BIGNEWY could do the same as for the Hind with the Mosquito. It went straight into the free trail that every other plane is included in, yet somehow the Mossie isn't? You say "Autumn" for adding it - so since we are pretty much at the tail end of September, it doesn't get much more "Autumn" than this. 

 

I mean it's not like there have been large numbers of the community that have bought early access aircraft to be disappointed wi......oh. Hmmm. It's not a matter of entitlement as some white knights have implied, but a matter of "let us try it out for ourselves before we buy". We all enjoy different aircraft, and we all deserve an opportunity to try a new aircraft without having to choke out another chunk of cash to find it "meh" individually. I have plenty aircraft - yet the only "war bird" I have is the TF-51. I have aircraft I hardly touch - the Su-25's, MiG-29, along with the Viggen and Mirage. So all I (and we judging by comments and posts here and on Facebook) is that we get a chane to try this new aircraft, like we did with the Hind.  You'd certainly get better sales out of "hey, try this new hotness" and you'd get more sales as a result. Or you can stifle and hamper it with stuff like this and end up with chunks of the community bikering, with people just going "just buy it", where those of us who have been stung with the past releases being more reserved. 

 

Again - why didn't the team just do as they did for the Hind which went to trail at the exact time as release? 

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all, 

 

at the end of the day it is up to the team to decide if they want a module to be in the free trial straight away or not. As Kate has mentioned it will be added to the free trial in the Autumn, it will still be in early access then so if you are still on the fence about making a purchase you have time to try before you make a purchase.  

 

 

edit: 

 

please remember the rules when posting here, other game comparisons are not welcome and please treat each other with respect.

 

Thank you

[fapador]

58 minutes ago, Cab said:

So? What did the delay cost you? It's not like you're actually standing in line somewhere only to be told there's nothing to be waiting for.

 

We were expecting it we got disappointed, that is the cost. I don't know in what bubble you live in but  I am sorry not all of us have the luxury to throw away 48$  in the release date only to find out there are bugs we don't like when with the trial we could have known before and now we have to possibly wait another month.

 

Don't forget. the p51 was designed, build and first prototype produced in only 103 days after the British request for a fast fighter. Yet in DCS we have to wait 2 years for a product to be out of early access...

[Kilted_Kerbal]

 

 

How I am picturing the office in ED right now as the live ret-cons on this thread are happening

[BIGNEWY]

keep the feedback constructive please.

 

We have answered the question, the trial will begin in the Autumn, it will still be in early access and you will have even more video and content to help you decide. 

 

thank you

[grafspee]

If i were ED i would never launch free trial of the module in early stages of open beta testing, common it would make more harm then good.

[Kilted_Kerbal]

2 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

keep the feedback constructive please.

 

We have answered the question, the trial will begin in the Autumn, it will still be in early access and you will have even more video and content to help you decide. 

 

thank you

Is there any chance of a more specific date than "Autumn"? It's somewhat....well......vague. "Autumn" is generally anytime between 1 September and 31st November. 

 

1 minute ago, grafspee said:

If i were ED i would never launch free trial of the module in early stages of open beta testing, common it would make more harm then good.

But pretty much all flying in DCS on a large number of modules is done in "open beta testing" - like the JF-17, Supercarrier, F-16, F-14, F/A-18...I mean 13 modules still show as "Early Access". What better way to get lots of people trying it and possibly finding bugs than by throwing it out there for people to have a play with. 

[BIGNEWY]

1 minute ago, Kilted_Kerbal said:

Is there any chance of a more specific date than "Autumn"? It's somewhat....well......vague. "Autumn" is generally anytime between 1 September and 31st November.

 

Currently no, Autumn is the best we can do time wise at the moment.

 

thank you

[grafspee]

4 minutes ago, Kilted_Kerbal said:

Is there any chance of a more specific date than "Autumn"? It's somewhat....well......vague. "Autumn" is generally anytime between 1 September and 31st November. 

 

But pretty much all flying in DCS on a large number of modules is done in "open beta testing" - like the JF-17, Supercarrier, F-16, F-14, F/A-18...I mean 13 modules still show as "Early Access". What better way to get lots of people trying it and possibly finding bugs than by throwing it out there for people to have a play with. 

There is not better way to displease ppl as well, free trial is like an advertisement, who in the world will advert module which is full of bugs ? Its like shooting own foot. ED decided to do it later while most obvious bug will be gone, good decision imho.

Edited September 21, 2021 by grafspee

[Kilted_Kerbal]

Just now, grafspee said:

There is not better way to displease ppl as well, free trial is like an advertisement, who in the world will advert module which is full of bugs ? 

 

You have played DCS right? And seen the number of fixes in each change log? Like "Doing loop in Viggen can cause game to crash" that was fixed the last time round. I mean I enjoyed my two weeks in the Hind on the very first few days of release. Did I buy it - no. But not for bugs or lack of enjoyment - I'm looking forward to trying the same in the AH-64 and then deciding which of the two I prefer. The Hind is fun and a nice challenge to fly - but as I have the Mi-8 and the Hokum, I'm not sure I need another Russian helo, or of the Apache will be more my thing

 

Off topic - but I'm still trying to figure what the size of cow s**t had to do with the F-14 HUD from the last patch notes. 

[Cab]

34 minutes ago, grafspee said:

If i were ED i would never launch free trial of the module in early stages of open beta testing, common it would make more harm then good.

 

Agreed. And maybe that was a lesson for them from the Mi-24 release. Nothing wrong with that.

 

Sometimes you have to learn as you go and make changes accordingly.

[leapingrodent]

2 hours ago, grafspee said:

There is not better way to displease ppl as well, free trial is like an advertisement, who in the world will advert module which is full of bugs ? Its like shooting own foot. ED decided to do it later while most obvious bug will be gone, good decision imho.

 

 

Later when all the obvious bugs will be gone? lol yeah, ok. I recently used a free trial of the A8 which is a fully released product only to find that most of the air to ground ordnance is not working correctly... It does seem odd to not have the trial there from the start, but whatever, it's their product and their decision. I'm ok to wait until a free trial for the Mosquito is available, and if necessary to wait until it is fully finished. 

[fapador]

I think they did it to protect the sales, but forgot to think that people might get offended by this move, similarly causing again.... sale loss. The wise thing of them would be to offer 24H or even 2h trial at day1 and after a month enable the complete trial of 14 days

Edited September 21, 2021 by fapador

[Cab]

21 minutes ago, fapador said:

I think they did it to protect the sales, but forgot to think that people might get offended by this move, similarly causing again.... sale loss. The wise thing of them would be to offer 24H or even 2h trial at day1 and after a month enable the complete trial of 14 days

 

 

For some reason I don't think too many people were "offended" by ED not IMMEDIATELY putting the Mosquito on a free trial.

 

But that might just be me.

[ceecrb1]

Nope not at all offended. Just confused and curious.

 

The thread started off as a genuine question which I still think was a valid one to ask.
AKA if all units are on trial, many were surprised when this was not included as what was understood as "all units".

I also stand by what I said on facebook.
Seems like simple marketing to ride the hypetrain of the release moment and get as many people in it at launch as possible. So many sales from "group mentality" and it being the new shiny toy.
E.D. Chose not to do go with that. I think it probably lost them a quite a few sales, but they have more info on their sales trends and numbers than ANYONE else here.
It is both them with all the info and their choice. Even if I/we dont see the sense or logic in it.

[aleader]

On 9/21/2021 at 8:02 AM, BIGNEWY said:

keep the feedback constructive please.

 

We have answered the question, the trial will begin in the Autumn, it will still be in early access and you will have even more video and content to help you decide. 

 

thank you

 

You should have clarified this from the start, and this thread wouldn't have to exist.  In another thread, you said it would be part of the trial on release (maybe it was Nineline).  No mention of Autumn.  Seems you guys are still learning how to properly communicate with your customers, not our fault.

[razo+r]

1 hour ago, aleader said:

 

You should have clarified this from the start, and this thread wouldn't have to exist.  In another thread, you said it would be part of the trial on release (maybe it was Nineline).  No mention of Autumn.  Seems you guys are still learning how to properly communicate with your customers, not our fault.

And now they can say the Mosquito didnt release yet. It's still in early access. So technically they are still correct. 

By this argument, you could also say they are so genorous that they give us trial option even earlier, before the release of the Mosquito. 

Edited October 1, 2021 by razo+r

[Nealius]

You have to admit it is an odd decision given the precedent set by the Hind's trial license. 

[BIGNEWY]

Nothing odd about it, the team decided to wait before starting the free trial, its as simple as that.

 

The Mosquito is now in free trial 

 

Enjoy!

[aleader]

On 10/1/2021 at 1:27 AM, BIGNEWY said:

Nothing odd about it, the team decided to wait before starting the free trial, its as simple as that.

 

The Mosquito is now in free trial 

 

Enjoy!

 

And kept that decision to themselves until now...brilliant communications strategy!   

On 9/30/2021 at 11:11 PM, razo+r said:

And now they can say the Mosquito didnt release yet. It's still in early access. So technically they are still correct. 

By this argument, you could also say they are so genorous that they give us trial option even earlier, before the release of the Mosquito. 

 

Neither was the Hind fully released when the trial was offered.  Try to follow along here please...