correct as is Laser code on kneeboard and DED are bugged ?

[dureiken]

Hi pilots

I don't know if it's not yet in DCS or if it's a bug but I can't change GBU laser value on kneeboard page when I'm on parking.

I am also not able to change laser and LST code on DED via ICP, it shows 0 for both.

 

Thanks for your help

[BIGNEWY]

Kneeboard is not functional for laser code change. 

It should work on the DED, please include a track replay showing the problem

thank you

[Deano87]

10 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Kneeboard is not functional for laser code change. 

It should work on the DED, please include a track replay showing the problem

thank you

Just to clarify, changing the laser code in the kneeboard on the ground doesn’t change the laser code of the bombs you’re carrying? Changing the laser code in the DED does?

[Furiz]

11 hours ago, dureiken said:

Hi pilots

I don't know if it's not yet in DCS or if it's a bug but I can't change GBU laser value on kneeboard page when I'm on parking.

I am also not able to change laser and LST code on DED via ICP, it shows 0 for both.

 

Thanks for your help

Kneeboard code is the Bomb Seeker Code, the DED laser code is the code for Laser Designator from your TGP, and the other code on the DED is LST code for Laser Spot Search.

 

In order to change the Bomb Code on your kneeboard you have to have your plane turned off, for DED page wait till your TGP is ON and rdy to be used then you can set your DED page codes. DED page codes can be changed during flight.

Edited October 25, 2021 by Furiz

[QuiGon]

1 hour ago, Furiz said:

In order to change the Bomb Code on your kneeboard you have to have your plane turned off,

I want to emphasize this, as I feel this might be the issue of the OP: You can only change the bomb laser code on the kneeboard if the engine is off @dureiken

Edited October 25, 2021 by QuiGon

[dureiken]

Ok thanks, it works for laser code in flight

will try bomb code on ground

once in flight, can we see bomb laser code (I changed them in mission editor)

thanks

 

[BIGNEWY]

On 10/25/2021 at 9:49 AM, Deano87 said:

Just to clarify, changing the laser code in the kneeboard on the ground doesn’t change the laser code of the bombs you’re carrying? Changing the laser code in the DED does?

Yes I was talking about DED, not bombs. Maybe that is the confusion. 

[MPalmer]

to Change Laser Codes in the DED...You must first initialize the TGP and verify it's On.

The Bomb codes are on the Kneeboard, which as stated, cannot be changed after engine start.

Prior to Engine start, go to the kneeboard page and use the assigned keybinds to change the laser codes (also Laser bombs need to be loaded already).

The Kneeboard page will show you your laser code if you jump into a hot started jet. which for the most part will be 1688. 

[Frederf]

17 hours ago, dureiken said:

Ok thanks, it works for laser code in flight

will try bomb code on ground

once in flight, can we see bomb laser code (I changed them in mission editor)

thanks

 

The mission editor weapon laser code will be shown on the kneeboard in flight. It shouldn't be possible for weapon laser code and kneeboard code to be different at any time. The laser emission code will always start as 1688 though so you must make sure to change it to match the weapon laser code.

I don't know what the real airplane does for TGP CODE if it's not specified in DTC or DTC is not loaded. It might have an OFP or even TGP-defined default plus either of those systems might have a memory to retain the last loaded value. It's clear from the MFD setup and flight plan that the DCS module isn't simulating an airplane which has not had any DTC load. It's glossed over which is certainly practical but not rigorously real. Defaulting the laser code to match the editor weapon code (but not post-spawn pilot kneeboard changes) seems reasonable but no particular arrangement is exactly wrong. Thankfully no matter what the default is, matching weapon code is a quick task.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Frederf

[Morphine]

@BIGNEWY Is it a real world procedure that the Bomb codes would not (could not) be changed unless the engine is off? If we have a running jet and change the loadout, it's a real pain to have to shut down to change the codes.  If possible, it seems that if the jet is still on the ground we should be able to change the codes (ie. the ground crew would be able to do it at any point). Thx!

Edited October 28, 2021 by Morphine

[MROK73]

36 minutes ago, Morphine said:

@BIGNEWY Is it a real world procedure that the Bomb codes would not (could not) be changed unless the engine is off? If we have a running jet and change the loadout, it's a real pain to have to shut down to change the codes.  If possible, it seems that if the jet is still on the ground we should be able to change the codes (ie. the ground crew would be able to do it at any point). Thx!

 

It's an even greater pain to have to change loadout with engines running....never saw it in real life, except for the show!!

But it's just me saying...

[Morphine]

4 minutes ago, MROK73 said:

It's an even greater pain to have to change loadout with engines running....never saw it in real life, except for the show!!

But it's just me saying...

Fair point! 

[QuiGon]

4 hours ago, Morphine said:

@BIGNEWY Is it a real world procedure that the Bomb codes would not (could not) be changed unless the engine is off? If we have a running jet and change the loadout, it's a real pain to have to shut down to change the codes.  If possible, it seems that if the jet is still on the ground we should be able to change the codes (ie. the ground crew would be able to do it at any point). Thx!

 

The bomb code has to be set mechanically on the bomb itself, which is not being done when the bomb is already on the jet AFAIK.

Edited October 28, 2021 by QuiGon

[Frederf]

Having a loose tool next to a running engine doesn't sound safe. Yes, I'm sure sufficiently motivated one could change the code on a running airplane. The EOR crew pulls pins and that's roughly that level of physical interaction. The code wheels are accessible on the side of the CCG. The normal procedure would have it checked correct before the pilot went up the ladder.

There needed to be some kind of logical check to prevent change in air and engine off is reasonable. The F-5 requires that the electricity be off which is even more strict. I guess being stopped and WOW is a tiny bit more flexible but thems edge cases.

[dureiken]

Hi

I remember that I used to have LASER code in yellow kneeboard page, I don't find it anymore ?

 

Cold start, nothing in yellow page. I tried GBU 10 and 12

 

Thanks