B-25 Mitchell

[Nomatic]

If it’s not on the wishlist already, I’d like to throw in my request for a B-25 Mitchell. I don’t really care which version to be honest; but I would lean towards a C or later; something with some strafing potential. The Mitchell is probably my favorite bomber from WW2, and while I strive to own one in real life (ha!), flying one in VR inside DCS would be the next best thing!

[FlankerKiller]

Or better yet multiple versions. With the clear nose, and the gun ship nose. Honestly I believe the B-25 is the best fit for a bomber in DCS. It could be used with the maps we have, and especially will have soon. And it was used against more tactical targets, troop encampments, railroad yards, supply depots, fuel storage areas, and airbases. With multi crew, AI crew members, and AI gunners all being a thing now, the time is right. 

[upyr1]

5 hours ago, Nomatic said:

If it’s not on the wishlist already, I’d like to throw in my request for a B-25 Mitchell.

If you can't remember what all is on the wishlist list the hard copy is titled jane's all the world's aircraft 

 

5 hours ago, Nomatic said:

I don’t really care which version to be honest; but I would lean towards a C or later; something with some strafing potential. The Mitchell is probably my favorite bomber from WW2, and while I strive to own one in real life (ha!), flying one in VR inside DCS would be the next best thing!

I would like at least two versions a hard-nosed and a glass nosed plus the Hornet if we get the Mitchell we should be able to do the Doolittle raid though I expect to see the grimreapers try with a mod

[rkk01]

Yes, but only after a Luftwaffe twin

[Rostic]

Yes! Mitchell will be great addition for DCS. Especially with Norden bombsight! 

Edited January 2, 2022 by Rostic

[rkk01]

What’s the ongoing obsession with the Norden sight…???

[upyr1]

3 hours ago, rkk01 said:

What’s the ongoing obsession with the Norden sight…???

they're cool 

[Rostic]

23 часа назад, rkk01 сказал:

What’s the ongoing obsession with the Norden sight…???

Nice bombsight used in US bombers. What else playerd can wish for level bombing? 

 

[hannibal]

my USB arduino based DIY door gun would love to see action on a DCS B-25 module.

ANY THING TURRET GUNS PLEASE BRING TO DCS WORLD!! Ju88, B17, B25 He111...any of these please!

(begging on knees)

Edited January 3, 2022 by hannibal

[FlankerKiller]

On 1/2/2022 at 1:18 PM, rkk01 said:

What’s the ongoing obsession with the Norden sight…???

It was one of the major pieces of technology used by the U.S.A. during WWII. I myself would love to have a go at using it in the most realistic combat sim there is. Also having a B-25 equipped with it would open up level bombing to players in DCS. It's a new capability that DCS is just now becoming able to do. 

[Tippis]

On 1/2/2022 at 7:18 PM, rkk01 said:

What’s the ongoing obsession with the Norden sight…???

In our modern day and age where we are bombarded by hype and lofty promises and fail to be met by the final product, it is always nice to reflect on the fact that this is a phenomenon as old as man… doubly so when we're discussing actual bombardment.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Tippis

[rayrayblues]

On 1/2/2022 at 11:18 AM, rkk01 said:

What’s the ongoing obsession with the Norden sight…???

Have you ever tried bombing without a sight?

Given altitude, speed and windage it's pretty near impossible for level bombing.

The Norden was inaccurate at best, but it got the job done, albeit with a lot of collateral damage.

It was the best tech for the job in the 1940's. A level bomber module without it would be unplayable.

[rkk01]

16 minutes ago, rayrayblues said:

Have you ever tried bombing without a sight?

Given altitude, speed and windage it's pretty near impossible for level bombing.

The Norden was inaccurate at best, but it got the job done, albeit with a lot of collateral damage.

It was the best tech for the job in the 1940's. A level bomber module without it would be unplayable.

Agree with all of the above… The Norden sight has achieved a reputation and status that perhaps reflects the hype rather than the reality. 
 

The RAF and Luftwaffe both developed copies / similar technology, with 617 Squadron achieving famous successes with the SABS / Tallboy combo

From what I’ve read over the years, the USAAF daylight campaign propagated the appearance of precision bombing, but in many ways reverted to daylight area bombing.
At the other extreme, the RAF night bombing campaign progressed from “success = the right city” to much more closely targeted, radio technology guided / PFF marked bombing 

At the end of the day all WW2 level bombing used similar tech with similar results… the exceptions were the selected specialist / special duties heavy bomber squadrons, and the very high risk dive / low level / torpedo attack units

FWIW the exploits of 617 after the dams raids are worth a read, for anyone not familiar. Some of the targets are on the Channel map as well

ETA - have always liked the Mitchell, but as per some of my previous posts on this thread and others… there are a number of other twins that are also worthy of consideration 

Bf-110, Ju-88 and a few others 

Beaufighter

Betty

[FlankerKiller]

The JU-88 would be an absolutely spectacular DCS module as it dose all the things. I've heard that there are none flying. But ED could do the wind tunnel thing they did with the P-47. The BF-110 is a little early for our current plane set. But the BF-410 would fit. I want the B-25 because it is a level bomber, the technology to do it has been developed, it fits our maps, and there are several examples flying and plenty of SMEs.  But I want all the WWII planes, literally all of them. 

[Rostic]

In fact, I want any level bomber in DCS.  But, B-25 is multirole aircraft. It was used on western front and in pacific (listed only theaters we have or will have soon in DCS). It was used as level bomber, sturmovik, torpedo bomber. That is why I think that B-25 is number one choice for level bomber module for the DCS. 

[Nomatic]

8 hours ago, Rostic said:

In fact, I want any level bomber in DCS.  But, B-25 is multirole aircraft. It was used on western front and in pacific (listed only theaters we have or will have soon in DCS). It was used as level bomber, sturmovik, torpedo bomber. That is why I think that B-25 is number one choice for level bomber module for the DCS. 

Agreed. Completely!

[evanf117]

are you talking flyable, a much better addition would be the TBF/M Avenger

 the avenger would be alot cooler, its the heaviest single engine plane in ww2, it carries all the weapons you could want, and it fits in with Marianas and the F-4U

i want the early with the 12.5 mil nose mounted gun (TBF) tho i think more TBM's were made

[Rostic]

1 час назад, evanf117 сказал:

are you talking flyable, a much better addition would be the TBF/M Avenger

 the avenger would be alot cooler, its the heaviest single engine plane in ww2, it carries all the weapons you could want, and it fits in with Marianas and the F-4U

i want the early with the 12.5 mil nose mounted gun (TBF) tho i think more TBM's were made

This aircraft so cool, that you have to start separate topic dedicated to this aircraft

But I wish to get multi engine level bomber with autopilot and all other whistels and bells and B-25 is best choice (it is even better than A-20 because Mitchel was long range bomber and has co pilot) 

 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Rostic

[Nomatic]

7 hours ago, evanf117 said:

are you talking flyable, a much better addition would be the TBF/M Avenger

 the avenger would be alot cooler, its the heaviest single engine plane in ww2, it carries all the weapons you could want, and it fits in with Marianas and the F-4U

i want the early with the 12.5 mil nose mounted gun (TBF) tho i think more TBM's were made

Yes, full fidelity if at all possible. I Also disagree completely. I wouldn’t purchase a TBM, but would purchase a B-25; hence I created this thread about it. Please create a separate TBM thread and drum up support there. No reason we couldn’t have both imo. 

[rayrayblues]

I agree completely with @Nomatic.

Especially since the introduction of the Mosquito, DCS has proven muti engine/crew modules are here to stay.

It's time now to introduce a multi engine/crew level bomber and B-25 is the perfect fit for DCS.

Not only is it a good level bomber, (up to 3 1000# An-65's) but it is also equipped with 6 .50 cals in the nose,

twin 50s on the top and in the tail, is fast and maneuverable enough for ground strike and

even can dogfight others of it's ilk, Ju-88 comes to mind.

@evanf117 if given a choice btw TBF and B-25, I would go for the 25 first for the above reasons,

then I would be happy to fly a TBF, it's only that we need more multi engine/crew craft and a level bomber, so B-25 just fits the bill.

I don't think DCS is ready for 4 engine aircraft yet, so don't hold your breath for B-17, B-24, etc.

My honest opinion of course.   

[evanf117]

7 hours ago, rayrayblues said:

 

@evanf117 if given a choice btw TBF and B-25, I would go for the 25 first for the above reasons,

wdym the above reasons, the avenger an carry both torpedo's and quantity's of bombs, it has 2 12.7mm's in the wings, a .50 on top and a .30 down below
also there is a higher change of a TBF/M because it has less crew

[FlankerKiller]

The issue is the TBM doesn't fit the theater of war that we have. It's a cool aircraft, and worthy of its own thread. But this is about the B-25. Personally I would definitely buy a TBF avenger. But it needs alot of support to even be realistically used. We have no WWII carrier. I'm still not convinced that the Corsair is anything but vaperware. So there is no proper fighter to escort it off of and back onto the carrier. There are not really any proper targets for it yet. The German surface fleet was non existent by the point in the war we have modeled so far. So no ships to torpedo. At least not in a historical context. The B-25 is a logical choice for all of the reasons I listed above. It fits the theater of war. It's very versatile. Even the glass nosed versions had four fixed fifty cals up front for ground attack. It's multi engine, and multi crew. ED loves to snow off what they can do, and a B-25 would give them that chance. So if there is enough interest from the community they might actually do it.

[upyr1]

On 1/6/2022 at 1:55 AM, evanf117 said:

are you talking flyable, a much better addition would be the TBF/M Avenger

 the avenger would be alot cooler, its the heaviest single engine plane in ww2, it carries all the weapons you could want, and it fits in with Marianas and the F-4U

i want the early with the 12.5 mil nose mounted gun (TBF) tho i think more TBM's were made

While I think the Avenger would be a good choice, I don't think it would be a better plane than the Mitchel. The Avenger would be great for the Pacific theater but the Mitchel basically served in every theater in the war.  

[Silver_Dragon]

2 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

While I think the Avenger would be a good choice, I don't think it would be a better plane than the Mitchel. The Avenger would be great for the Pacific theater but the Mitchel basically served in every theater in the war.  

The Avenger was deploy on ETO on 1942, to hunt submarines on the Atlantic on the Hunter Killers CVL groups, with near 35 Uboats sunk with radar, flares, sonobouis, rockets, bombs, depth charges and ASW torpedoes with assitance of Wildcats fighters.
https://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/avenger.htm

[FlankerKiller]

Ok, I'm going to get a little ugly now. I get that you love the TBF Avenger. I do too. It's a cool plane. But this is a wishlist, and this thread is about the B-25, and why it is an excellent candidate for the first multi engine, multi crew, level bomber in DCS. And your trying to highjack it and make it about why the TBF is better. Which it isn't. It wasn't IRL, and it is definitely not the right choice for DCS at this time. It's super rude to jump in here and try to take over the conversation. If you have something to contribute other then X aircraft, that wasn't even used in the theaters simulated, is better. Then pleas feel free. If not let is discuss the iconic B-25. And why we think it's a good choice for DCS in the hopes that ED will hear us, and maybe agree. If you want to talk about the TBF start your own thread, and we can all talk about it there.