A-10C - A-10A still a option?

[MBot]

http://www.simhq.com/_air12/air_394a.html

 

Having read the latest SimHQ interview with Matt (great stuff), it seems the A-10C is planned for the next DCS module. The way I understand it, initially the A-10 was planned in the A version, when later the permission was granted to (also?) do the C version. My question now is, has the A-10C completely replaced to A-10A as planned DCS candidate or is the A still planned for a later time?

 

Of course I am thrilled about the A-10C, but quite frankly I was looking forward more to the A-10A. Call me old fashioned, but I guess I am a cold war warrior :) Anyway, looking forward to anything that comes.

[eurofor]

The last I read was that both would be made but maybe it has changed.

 

Will there be two A-10's but no Su-25?

[EvilBivol-1]

Speaking unofficially, the A-10A will still likely be released in some form at some time, because it was already well in development. The how and the when is now unclear.

[Weta43]

SU-25A !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

[Boberro]

SU-25A !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

 

Technically it is from World War 2 ! :D

 

Imo better first Su-25T\M, Su-25SM with uber high end addons or Skorpion ^^

[MBot]

Technically it is from World War 2 ! :D

 

Actualy I think that is a common missconception. With its laser range finder the Su-25 is proably a more precise platform for unguided rockets and bombs than the A-10A. Remember, most FC computers calculate range to target through attack angle and radar alt. This assumes the target has the same ground elevation, which is not always the case. In rough terrain the calculated impact point is therefore often off the mark (quite nicely simulated in Lock On's A-10). The Su-25 with its laser range finder does not have that problem. Sorry for going OT, but I need to defend the vanilla Su-25 :)

 

 

EB-1, thanks for the insight. I stay tuned for future announccments. With the A-10A still being a possibility (and the AH-64A comming), all you have to do now is to create a Germany terrain and I am in tank hunting heaven :)

[Skkuda]

A 10A....A 10C, differences between them? Anyone that wants to explain?

 

I really want the version that the producers can really replicate in every aspect.

 

Regards

[Acedy]

Here is an overview over the A-10C upgrade program:

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/a-10c.htm

[SUBS17]

A 10A....A 10C, differences between them? Anyone that wants to explain?

 

I really want the version that the producers can really replicate in every aspect.

 

Regards

 

 

A-10C looks as though it has a similar HSD to an F-16 which is really handy for CAS as the HSD shows you where everything is it also has a data link similar to the F-16s display.

[SUBS17]

Actualy I think that is a common missconception. With its laser range finder the Su-25 is proably a more precise platform for unguided rockets and bombs than the A-10A. Remember, most FC computers calculate range to target through attack angle and radar alt. This assumes the target has the same ground elevation, which is not always the case. In rough terrain the calculated impact point is therefore often off the mark (quite nicely simulated in Lock On's A-10). The Su-25 with its laser range finder does not have that problem. Sorry for going OT, but I need to defend the vanilla Su-25 :)

 

 

EB-1, thanks for the insight. I stay tuned for future announccments. With the A-10A still being a possibility (and the AH-64A comming), all you have to do now is to create a Germany terrain and I am in tank hunting heaven :)

 

A-10As Radar Altimeter takes a slice ahead of the aircraft when using CCIP its just as accurate IRL as the SU25. Theres a thread about it in the Lockon forums.

[MBot]

The radar altimeter ranges ahead?

[Skkuda]

Acedy wrote:

Here is an overview over the A-10C upgrade program:

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...raft/a-10c.htm

 

That´s great info. Thanks Acedy

[Skkuda]

Sorry for another post!

 

Info from the Acedy Link.....

 

Even for a simple laser-guided-bomb delivery, what took roughly 14 cockpit switch changes now takes four with the C model

 

I want those 14 switch changes steps..........I really want the A 10A model for sure!!!

Edited December 11, 2008 by Skkuda

[Frederf]

I'm sure if you're trying to win an actual war, simplicity, reliability, lethality, etc are great things in an aircraft. However an entertainment simulator user cares more about tackling and mastering an aircraft system. I would happily learn/fly an Su-25 in a simulator. The foibles of the systems, lackings in technical integration are positives to me. Push button warfare makes a good military but a poor video game.

 

:pilotfly:

[scatter]

Hmm, I enjoy the tactics of combat more than learning systems. For me, the more advanced platforms with their simplified avionics (and more effective combat systems) are more enjoyable. Simulated combat will still be intense.

 

I'm really looking forward to the A10c and wish that someone would do a modern Longbow sim (or maybe a Euro Tiger). But that's just me.

[Flanker15]

How did ED get permission to do the A-10C? I thought they'd still be partly classified?

[RollingRock]

i believe they did a full sim for the military for the A-10C. Maybe they just had to ask and get cleared what out of the work they did for that sim they could use for a public release.

[rocketeer]

A 10A....A 10C, differences between them? Anyone that wants to explain?

 

Bases on what I gathered:

A-10C improvements

- smart bombs (JDAM and WCMD)

- sniper XR pod (includes mid-wave FLIR (forward-looking infrared), dual mode laser, CCD-TV, laser spot tracker and IR marker)

- upgraded cockpit with 2 MFD

- situational awareness datalinks

- helmet mounted sighting system!

- new stronger ceramic/titanium bath tub armour

- Night Vision Imaging Systems (NVIS)

- radar?

- engine upgrade

- new HOTAS

[harry_swe]

This would be sweeeet to fly:joystick:

 

http://www.warthogpen.com/a-10c_files/pic_12.JPG

[Teapot]

Crappy plane .. I hope ED forget about it!

 

Just to balance this thread out ;) ... couldn't care less about the A10 ... have an A10 in Lomac and haven't touched it, nor have I got even the slightest twinge of a desire to fly that crappy plane (subjective perception obviously not universally shared :D).

 

If you want a good CAS jet .. do the Harrier. Even the yanks use the Harrier.

[nemises]

^^ sure..you say that now.....just wait till DCS:Hog comes out ;)

[Teapot]

^^ sure..you say that now.....just wait till DCS:Hog comes out ;)

 

lol! Almost 99% sure m8 ... but maybe I might be a tad curious ... maybe ;)

 

Cheers!

[GGTharos]

The A-10 IS a good CAS jet ... arguably the BEST CAS jet ... about the only thing the Harrier can do is take off and land vertically, and fly from shorter distances, but at the cost of 1/4 the payload ;)

[Teapot]

No no no! The Harrier can look COOL too, and it does it much better than the A-10. It can also operate from within the field, keeping up with an advance making for quicker response times when called on for support. Here's the clincher; many Harrier pilots have a Brit accent variant, Spanish or Hindi ... which is way cooler than your average A-10 pilots accent, come on you have to admit that! ;).

[GGTharos]

I will indeed admit that the A-10's gun has an interesting accent that no Harrier can match ... :}