not planned More Stuff in Ukraine

[Kongamato]

Probably this is a question that a lot of people wonder for a long time, and I don´t know if has been officially responded: Why the Caucasus Maps doesn´t includes Crimea?

 

Crimea was the main scenery in Flanker 2 and Lock On, so I assume that ED already has the satellite data and the meshes of that territory and it would be just neccesary to update the textures and the static objects to include it in the map of Caucasus, so... Why is not Crimea in that map?

 

I assume there are technical reasons, but I would like to know, if someone knows the exact reasons for that. Thanks in advance. :thumbup:

[Baco]

Political reasons. To hot right now in Russia.

[Harlikwin]

Yeah, that would be my guess. Then again they are making a Syria map, thats a pretty hot potato right now, same with the PG map.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

But the company is not based in Syria, it's in Moscow.

 

 

S!

[Major Anton]

It would a super, major, enhancement to a great map.

Maybe... someday...

[Kongamato]

Political reasons. To hot right now in Russia.

 

It´s possible. But I´m curious about why Crimea was the main map in Flanker 2 and Lock On Flaming Cliffs and was removed from DCS World. It was too "hot" then, about 8-10 years ago, too? And the russo-georgian war in 2008? Georgia couldn´t be a more conflictive zone when FC2 was released...

Edited May 30, 2019 by Kongamato

[Kongamato]

It would a super, major, enhancement to a great map.

Maybe... someday...

 

A man can dream :thumbup:

[Silver_Dragon]

On old lomac map dont reach Georgia, that was added on FC-1, moving to east and deplete crimea by a engine limitation (object count).

 

Very difficult see a "mayor enhanced", we have a mayor rebuild on 2018 with 2.5, and remember, has "hot" zones in the Caucasus never develop on DCS as Chechnya and other Caucasus republics.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Silver_Dragon

[Kongamato]

and remember, has "hot" zones in the Caucasus never develop on DCS as Chechnya and otter Caucasus republics.

 

But in 2008 there was a war between Rusia and Georgia, so the map of Caucasus was even a hotter zone when Flaming Cliff 2 was released than Crimea is now. For example, only two years before Flaming Cliff 2 was released, Tu-22's had launched bombs over our well known Vaziani Airbase.

 

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/georgia-2008-bomb.htm

[Silver_Dragon]

But in 2008 there was a war between Rusia and Georgia, so the map of Caucasus was even a hotter zone when Flaming Cliff 2 was released than Crimea is now. For example, only two years before Flaming Cliff 2 was released, Tu-22's had launched bombs over our well known Vaziani Airbase.

 

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/georgia-2008-bomb.htm

 

ED has very clear on that situation on forum. meanwhile ED has working now on another "Free" map outside the Caucasus.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Silver_Dragon

[Silver_Dragon]

But the company is not based in Syria, it's in Moscow.

 

 

S!

 

And the Syria map has build by Ugra-Media, not ED.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

But in 2008 there was a war between Rusia and Georgia, so the map of Caucasus was even a hotter zone when Flaming Cliff 2 was released than Crimea is now. For example, only two years before Flaming Cliff 2 was released, Tu-22's had launched bombs over our well known Vaziani Airbase

But it's a different story. I mean, they modelled Iran and that's a well known theatre of past conflicts not to mention a possibility for future ones (lets hope not, but…), Ugra is making a map of Syria with a current conflict in there, and we do know of other maps awaiting like Afghanistan, what to say. Those are clear wars (even the past Georgian one), but the thing with Crimea is, and trying not to discuss any political stuff here but making me understand, it's not 'just a war', even if it was a war is somewhat debatable, it's a diplomatic conflict in which no matter how you treat the subject there would be unhappy people on one side or another and we have a company based on one side while many people using the sim is on the other. So, also bearing in mind the size of maps is limited in the current engine, and despite many of us would like to see that part of the World again due to LOMAC Nostalgic reasons, it's clearly better for ED to let that part of the World out of the current map scope avoiding in the process any 'inconvenience'.

 

 

S!

[Baco]

Well. this is like beating a dead horse. ED hast stated that it is not allowed and / or will not do Crimea. The logic or reasons behind the one not allowing ED to do this will not change in this forum ;).

[Captain Orso]

ED has also stated that discussion of 'what's and 'why's of such a map would not be tolerated in this forum. I would suggest dropping the subject. No point in poking a hornet's nest.

[Bobb]

Could anybody give me links to ED statements regarding this topic?

[AeriaGloria]

Nice joke

 

In all seriousness, there aren’t any, it just seems pretty obvious it won’t happen right now.

[xvii-Dietrich]

Could anybody give me links to ED statements regarding this topic?

 

The most recent reference I could find was this one: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3033688&postcount=39

 

Found using this: https://forums.eagle.ru/search.php

[Kev2go]

But it's a different story. I mean, they modelled Iran and that's a well known theatre of past conflicts not to mention a possibility for future ones (lets hope not, but…), Ugra is making a map of Syria with a current conflict in there, and we do know of other maps awaiting like Afghanistan, what to say. Those are clear wars (even the past Georgian one), but the thing with Crimea is, and trying not to discuss any political stuff here but making me understand, it's not 'just a war', even if it was a war is somewhat debatable, it's a diplomatic conflict in which no matter how you treat the subject there would be unhappy people on one side or another and we have a company based on one side while many people using the sim is on the other. So, also bearing in mind the size of maps is limited in the current engine, and despite many of us would like to see that part of the World again due to LOMAC Nostalgic reasons, it's clearly better for ED to let that part of the World out of the current map scope avoiding in the process any 'inconvenience'.

 

 

S!

 

Sounds like like the 2 korea's and 38th parallel :D, but that didnt stop a game developer from 1 side making a certain sim taking place over there.

 

and Yes there is a conflict being fought there. A proxy war is still a war. Its conventional enough since the conflict has involved armored warfare and heavy support units such as artillery and various Air defenses. I would like to see a Crimea even if it wasn't part of current map, although it would be great if it was.

Edited June 19, 2019 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

Well. this is like beating a dead horse. ED hast stated that it is not allowed and / or will not do Crimea. The logic or reasons behind the one not allowing ED to do this will not change in this forum ;).

 

i dont see why the same logic wouldn't have been applied to the 2008 Georgian war back in LOMAC days when that conflict was still fresh

[AeriaGloria]

Unfortunately I’m not sure if anyone in North Korea can play DCS... happy to be proven wrong though!

[Mars Exulte]

You guys are missing the issue with Crimea.

 

 

ED is based in Russia.

 

Russia is known for politicising their media and enforcing a narrative, claiming whole swathes of land through overt and covert means.

 

Crimea has ALWAYS been a particular hot topic for the RF, to the extent they launched a surprise invasion and started Cold War II.

 

LOTS of bickering about whether to render Crimea as Ukrainian or Russian on maps, among numerous other conflicts involving state sanctions and outright warfare.

 

 

 

What's the difference with Georgia? ED is based in Russia. Russia won that war and on an international level it is largely resolved to the satisfaction of everyone but Georgia. Likewise with Syria, more or less. Crimea and the whole Ukrainian conflict is ongoing, something Russia has paid a high price for, and is a key matter of the administration's political survival. It is an extremely sensitive topic for people that live and work in Russia.... LIKE THE BULK OF ED STAFF.

 

Simply rendering Crimea on the map as within Ukrainian territory would guarantee immediate censure in this political environment. Creating a campaign that depicted Russians in a negative or aggressor stance regarding Crimea would guarantee censure. I can go on, but you should get the idea by now. They don't care about Georgia or Syria, those are happy memories. Crimea/Ukraine has a bitter taste.

Edited June 19, 2019 by zhukov032186

[Kev2go]

Or as another alternative simply offer a ww2 era Crimean map, to avoid modern day geopoltics.

 

Multiple historic ww2 battles took place ver that region, and changed hands through axis and allied ( soviet) hands over the course of the war.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Kev2go

[alado]

we have it, pacific maps and zero

XD

[Kev2go]

we have it, pacific maps and zero

XD

 

 

 

What does that have to do with the price of fish?

[alado]

ups sorry, wrong place