DCS Newsletter discussion August 5th 2022 - Introducing DCS: Kfir | Infantry Animations | B-1B Texture Progress

[Dragon1-1]

If you can find these characters on your keyboard, be my guest.  Phonetic rendering of these in Latin alphabet will likely be thrown around on Kfir forums. If there's not too much Hebrew in there I can probably memorize what the knob positions do.

[Dragon1-1]

...said nobody who actually tried to use that method for anything.  Seriously, Google Translate sucks unless you have enough knowledge of both languages to make sense of it.

[Bozon]

5 hours ago, WinterH said:

C2 won't have self lasing for sure, nor will the C7. Almost certain no HUD but a simple gunsight for the C2, don't know about the C7.

This was intended as a simple but high performance aircraft, and especially the C2 will be rather austere. C7 had more pylons and some upgrades, but don't quite know the extent of upgrades.

Think of Kfir as a Mirage III with a souped-up flight performance due to J79 and canards, but without a big radar in the nose.

Kfir C1 was pretty bad. It had a stronger engine than the Mirage III but also higher weight.

Kfir C2 introduced the canards, small winglets on the nose, and saw-tooth wing leading edges. These were a significant improvement over the C1 in air combat maneuvering.

Kfir C7 was similar to C2 with further improved of avionics.

The Kfirs were used mainly as fast attack aircraft using non guided munitions but with excellent computer assisted aiming via the HUD. It was supposed to be able to conduct strikes without the need for escorts and disengage at high speed. With GP bombs it achieved higher accuracy than the F-4E Phantoms of its era. GBUs were still not a big thing in the late 70s, especially not in strategic strikes or attacks on enemy airfields.

I expect it to be performance wise somewhat similar to the Mirage F1, without radar, but with a range finder for a HUD cannon sight, and good CCIP/CCRP capabilities.

[-0303-]

The infantry animation made me think of Boston Dynamics. Not sure if that is good or scary.

Edited August 6, 2022 by -0303-

[Bozon]

20 hours ago, Bozon said:

Kfir C1 was pretty bad. It had a stronger engine than the Mirage III but also higher weight.

Kfir C2 introduced the canards, small winglets on the nose, and saw-tooth wing leading edges. These were a significant improvement over the C1 in air combat maneuvering.

Kfir C7 was similar to C2 with further improved of avionics.

The Kfirs were used mainly as fast attack aircraft using non guided munitions but with excellent computer assisted aiming via the HUD. It was supposed to be able to conduct strikes without the need for escorts and disengage at high speed. With GP bombs it achieved higher accuracy than the F-4E Phantoms of its era. GBUs were still not a big thing in the late 70s, especially not in strategic strikes or attacks on enemy airfields.

I expect it to be performance wise somewhat similar to the Mirage F1, without radar, but with a range finder for a HUD cannon sight, and good CCIP/CCRP capabilities.

Something I missed in the quoted post, C.7 has 2 more hard points and is cleared for a higher takeoff weight, a slightly different variant of the J-79 engine, and improved HOTAS setup.

There are also the export models which are more advanced and include a radar, air refueling capability, and targeting/ecm pods. The designations start from C.10. Columbia and Sri Lanka have those. According to this article from last year Sri Lanka will have their Kfirs upgraded to generation 4+ standards, and these Kfirs will be offered on the market for other countries under the name KNG (Kfir Next Generation):

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/50649

 

Edited August 7, 2022 by Bozon

[western_JPN]

Kfir !!!
Exciting news continue one and after.

New B-1B texture works look brilliant.
B-1B ... S-3B ... B-52H ... new 3d models + new textures ; I can't wait their publishing.
How about C-17 next ?

[Rudel_chw]

32 minutes ago, western_JPN said:

How about C-17 next ?

 

I'd prefer an upgrade of a non-US AI aircraft, like the russian bombers .. a sort of balance, rather than the US bias we have nowadays.

[Silver_Dragon]

21 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

 

I'd prefer an upgrade of a non-US AI aircraft, like the russian bombers .. a sort of balance, rather than the US bias we have nowadays.

Russian bomber has planned, but that has none with "balance". Has only update very old 3D models.

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AI Units

New and Updated assets

Because DCS World is built on a project spanning almost two decades, some units now show their age and will be updated throughout the year. It is also important that we add new units to better fill the battlefields. Here are some of the items that we intend to create or update in 2021:

Large Aircraft: B-52H, Tu-95MS, Tu-142, B-1B, IL-38, and Tu-160

Carrier Aircraft: S-3B and SH-60B

Ground Units: M1A2, AMX-56 Leclerc, Wespe Sd.Kfz.124, KS-19 100mm ADA, Son-4 “Flap Wheel” radar, C1 Ariete, Pantsir SA-22 “Greyhound”, and S-300/SA-10 “Grumble”.

 

 

[Razorback]

AI Units
Ground Units: M1A2, AMX-56 Leclerc, Wespe Sd.Kfz.124, KS-19 100mm ADA, Son-4 “Flap Wheel” radar, C1 Ariete, Pantsir SA-22 “Greyhound”, and S-300/SA-10 “Grumble”.
For sure a lot of things to to and/or to update regarding the ground units.
But we have to be realistic, probably something that is not feasible considering the resources it requires. It's to bad because we would obviously like most of the vehicles to be as well modelled as the latest products like the T-72B3, BTR-82A,...
New M1A2 Abrams, Pantsir SA-22 mmmm

[WinterH]

IMO Abrams is ok enough for at least a few more years, and would rather see other things added/updated instead. Getting that Pantsir for example. IMO B-1 is an odd choice too because it was one of the "mostly ok" AI models if I recall correctly, unlike Tu-95 for example, which is basically late 90s level almost .

[Eldur]

On 8/5/2022 at 9:15 PM, r4y30n said:

Discord is a terrible place for developers to post announcements and I wish they would stop doing it.

It is a terrible place in general with everyone and their dog having their own discord and you need to join a gajillion of servers to stay updated while there's not even the simplest ever possible way of organizing the server list anyhow in that POS (piece of software) even after over half a decade of literally everyone asking for it and the whole thing becoming laggy as hell as you add more to your list... how could anyone possibly even like that? Totally don't get the vibe...

I'm always glad when such information gets dropped here where it should be first anyway

 

Didn't know about the exact differences between the Kfir models though, thanks for clearing that up

 

On 8/6/2022 at 10:13 AM, WinterH said:

C2 won't have self lasing for sure, nor will the C7. Almost certain no HUD but a simple gunsight for the C2, don't know about the C7.

Not wanting to start a discussion about other sims, but SF2/WoV had the C2 and it has a HUD there while the Nesher and Mirages don't. They got the different HUDs and radar scopes quite well in that series; I was amazed of how good their Tomcat avionics and symbology was after seeing Heatblur's in DCS, I was honestly expecting massive differences because SF just is a "lightweight" sim compared to DCS. So I'd expect the C2 to have a HUD at least in DCS, but to be fair, I don't know much about its specifications beyond from what I learned though my flight simming years.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Eldur

[WinterH]

1 hour ago, Eldur said:

Not wanting to start a discussion about other sims, but SF2/WoV had the C2 and it has a HUD there while the Nesher and Mirages don't. They got the different HUDs and radar scopes quite well in that series; I was amazed of how good their Tomcat avionics and symbology was after seeing Heatblur's in DCS, I was honestly expecting massive differences because SF just is a "lightweight" sim compared to DCS. So I'd expect the C2 to have a HUD at least in DCS, but to be fair, I don't know much about its specifications beyond from what I learned though my flight simming years.

Yeah been doing some reading since then and to my surprise even C2 had a HUD apparently, which is cool :). I have also seen a few places mention Mavericks, don't know if they really had it but if that's a yes, it'll be a suprisingly capable little bird!