King39 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I'm cross posting this interesting update regarding the A-10C's current upgrade path to maintain relevancy post-Iraq/Afghanistan: A-10 Warthog’s Tusks Are Being Sharpened For A High-End Fight https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/a-10-warthogs-tusks-are-being-sharpened-for-a-high-end-fight 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurgon Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 That's really interesting, thanks for sharing! I'm just curious why it said the A-10 has 10 weapons stations. Shouldn't it be 11? I suppose station 6 isn't counted as a weapons station because it's mostly used for the external tank, which is not usually fitted during combat. But AFAIK weapons can be put on station 6 just as well, giving the A-10 11 weapon stations in total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistking Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 10 hours ago, Yurgon said: That's really interesting, thanks for sharing! I'm just curious why it said the A-10 has 10 weapons stations. Shouldn't it be 11? I suppose station 6 isn't counted as a weapons station because it's mostly used for the external tank, which is not usually fitted during combat. But AFAIK weapons can be put on station 6 just as well, giving the A-10 11 weapon stations in total. i think if you count station 6 as a weapon station, you are left with only 8 other stations, giving you less weapon stations than before, since i don't think that you'd use 5,6 and 7 at the same time... just guessing... in the end it's just semantics... My personal wishlist after half a decade with DCS: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/184968-my-personal-wishlist-after-half-a-decade-with-dcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAP Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 You can’t use station 6 if you have something on 5 and 7. So you only have 10 useable stations. Although Really you only have 7 or 8 for A/G weapons if you bring TGP, ECM pod and Aim-9s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 You don't need the TGP and ECM pod (Sidewinders would also not be a priority) for launch and leave TALD boat, though. Carrying as many TALDs as a B-52 does have some tactical utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convexrook Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 BOMB TRUCK BABY LETS GOOOOO!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAP Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said: You don't need the TGP and ECM pod (Sidewinders would also not be a priority) for launch and leave TALD boat, though. Carrying as many TALDs as a B-52 does have some tactical utility. You’re not wrong, but if your a MALD truck that probably means it’s a high end fight and you don’t want to ditch your defensive counter measures. Especially since your probably also the primary for CSAR. Even if you’re down to just 7 or 8 pylons each A-10 is individually freeing up a 4 ship worth of vipers to do other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Depends on how many other assets are around. I'd prefer to have a properly loaded A-10C on CSAR (you want at least a WP rocket pod for marking, plus a TGP, which takes two more stations) and Growlers on EW, that jammer A-10 carries doesn't really amount to much these days. In fact, MALD trucks can launch and leave the area long before getting anywhere near the enemy. That's why A-10 is quite well suited for it, you don't have to worry about your MALD boat's survivability very much, since they can fly for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurgon Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 3 hours ago, ASAP said: You can’t use station 6 if you have something on 5 and 7. So you only have 10 useable stations. Although Really you only have 7 or 8 for A/G weapons if you bring TGP, ECM pod and Aim-9s Yeah, I guess that's what was meant in that video. Still, technically, I'd call it 11 stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Is this real or just internet meme. Ukrainians training on DCS: A-10CII with VR to prepare for real thing. I don't this is feasable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King39 Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 Yes, this is occurring which has been confirmed by a Time magazine report. However, both the Ukrainians and US officials have agreed that the A-10 is not the platform they really need so they won't be getting them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlikely_spider Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Yeah, doesn't successful deployment of A-10s kind of require air superiority? 2 Modules: Wright Flyer, Spruce Goose, Voyager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I'd suspect more so that they're trying to get people ready for flight training in general, and just happen to be using DCS and the A-10. The A-10 is one of the most conventional flying jet aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitriKozlowsky Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 18 hours ago, unlikely_spider said: Yeah, doesn't successful deployment of A-10s kind of require air superiority? A-10C needs a somewhat permissive environment. Air superiority, air parity with escorts, and continuous SEAD campaign. Drones appear to make good SEAD and decoy platforms. Actually drones have shown themselves to be effective loitering munition for counterbattery missions. So its possible, tactically feasible to deploy A-10C into Eastern Ukraine. But the Hawg and its crews will take losses that USAF would otherwise find unacceptable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAP Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Doctrinally air superiority also doesn’t mean a completely permissive environment with no threats. The A-10 needs local air superiority where it’s operating for the time it’s operating. That means SEAD and air cover to give it the time and space it needs to get in and do it’s job which could only be a few minutes before it gets back behind friendly lines and out of range of short range SAMS. The A-10 was built for a relatively high threat environment but the Air Force is designed around force packaging with lots of other support assets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragan Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) I will join the discussion on this topic, my opinion is that regardless of the fact that we prefer the A-10 myself as a virtual pilot, nevertheless this aircraft, with all the upgrades and weapons, is still powerless on the modern battlefield without the air superiority of the Allies in the air space, his slowness works against him, and that cannot be changed. What he showed in Iraq and Afghanistan is everything. There was no one to oppose him, it was evident that he had his peak only where the plane as such was safe from enemy aircraft and modern anti-aircraft systems,drones already perform the tasks that the A-10 should, and it's safer, too.Eventually he will have to retire... Edited August 31, 2022 by Dragan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAP Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Yeah but Ukrainians are successfully employing the SU-25 in Ukraine and that’s a worse attempt at making an A-10 type capability. Russians still haven’t achieved air superiority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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