So What Fighter-Bomber, Bomber would you (the Customer) like to see made into DCS Modules?

[GUFA]

28 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Most of the big bombers are nuclear assets, chances of us getting any of those are very, very slim. 

Yeah that was my intent in starting this thread and the only reason I included the Tu 95 Bear was because you can buy the "Hardware" to use as a FF module. My intent at looking at the Medium Bomber and Fighter/bomber designs is they are more likely to be used by the player base. People simply do not have the time or physical capability to fly 20 hour + missions even if they want to. Mediums (& F/B) on the other hand would be a fantastic addition to DCS world and are more likely to be used.

33 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

F-111 and F-117, maybe. The Su-24 is currently unlikely for political reasons

I think that it's likely to be the other way around. If ED made a "Large corporate Donation to the Ukrainian Government " right know I'm pretty sure they (the UK Gov) would be more than happy to provide ED with the design/performance data. And a metric <profanity> ton of SME to enable development of a FF module. I don't see the Fencer being operational much longer in Ukrainian service, Mig 29 and Su 27 though...

As far as ED Russia goes are there any left? Those who didn't bail after "the Special operation" kicked off are possibly in FSB care now I would think.

The Aardvark yes nobody uses that aircraft as a warfighter anymore. I would be Quite surprised if there was any OPSEC concerns in regards to the Pig. The Nighthawk though is being used today in the "aggressor role so???

[upyr1]

3 hours ago, GUFA said:

Got no problem with this approach just just looking for a "period" bomber to scratch my itch. Can you actually start a thread talking about the B-66, maybe even have your dad regaie us with his "Destroyer" tales.

My dad's suffering dementia but I can start the thread and I'd recomend reaching out to a veterans group of face book. I'd like a 41st TEWs livery if we get the b-66. my 

[GUFA]

32 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

My dad's suffering dementia but I can start the thread

 Really sorry to here your dads not in good health.

33 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

but I can start the thread and I'd recomend reaching out to a veterans group of face book

+1, I am an Aussie though (or a Facebook user) so I not sure how much help I would be.

[upyr1]

6 hours ago, GUFA said:

+1, I am an Aussie though (or a Facebook user) so I not sure how much help I would be.

I figure I will see if anyone can help 

[GUFA]

Cuuul

[GUFA]

Here's some Aardvark "Porn", Fantasy yes but would have been  quite Do-able if the political will in (Australia) had been found. The US had other options so this wouldn't have worked for them. This capability would be an interesting thing to either mod or just add to an official "DCS" Aardvark module.

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by GUFA

[tomcat_driver]

F-117A

Edited October 14, 2022 by tomcat_driver

[GUFA]

Definitly want it, just not sure USGOV wants to have it out in the public arena yet. Nighthawk is still in use today, with the US military

 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35748/f-117-nighthawks-now-appear-to-be-flying-as-adversaries-in-red-flag-aerial-war-games

https://www.businessinsider.com/retired-stealthy-f117s-appeared-again-to-train-against-fighter-jets-2021-9

https://eurasiantimes.com/us-air-force-confirms-its-bringing-worlds-first-stealth-fighter-aircraft-back-in-action/

[tomcat_driver]

20 minutes ago, GUFA said:

Definitly want it, just not sure USGOV wants to have it out in the public arena yet. Nighthawk is still in use today, with the US military

 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35748/f-117-nighthawks-now-appear-to-be-flying-as-adversaries-in-red-flag-aerial-war-games

https://www.businessinsider.com/retired-stealthy-f117s-appeared-again-to-train-against-fighter-jets-2021-9

https://eurasiantimes.com/us-air-force-confirms-its-bringing-worlds-first-stealth-fighter-aircraft-back-in-action/

AFAIK, it was retired, then a few units were reactivated to serve as Aggressors.

The Apache and the F-16 are both active duty.

Edited October 14, 2022 by tomcat_driver

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

F-117, Il-28, Su-24, F-111 or Canberra would be my preferences. 

For Canberra, I'd want to see a B-57B or B-57G Tropic Moon, specifically.

[AvgeekJoe]

For me it's the following:

• F-111 - the jet so belongs in DCS World.  Especially with an Australian map coming.
• Su-24 - would be fun to fly if we could get accurate data
• Su-34 - Even more fun, but need accurate data
• B-1B - simply the most fun bomber
• B-66 Destroyer/Skywarrior - the A-3 was a jack of all trades during the Cold War
• F-117A - why not?

Edited December 3, 2022 by AvgeekJoe

[upyr1]

3 hours ago, AvgeekJoe said:

For me it's the following:

• F-111 - the jet so belongs in DCS World.  Especially with an Australian map coming.

The real issue with the Vark is what version(s) do we want. I'd love to have a Vietnam, ODS and modernized Ausie.

3 hours ago, AvgeekJoe said:

• Su-24 - would be fun to fly if we could get accurate data

I figure the Su-24 would have to be a 1980s Fualda Gap / Afghanistan variant

3 hours ago, AvgeekJoe said:

• Su-34 - Even more fun, but need accurate data
• B-1B - simply the most fun bomber

I don't think there is any way in hell we're seeing the Su-34. The B-1B might be possible 

3 hours ago, AvgeekJoe said:

• B-66 Destroyer/Skywarrior - the A-3 was a jack of all trades during the Cold War

 

If we get them they will have to be separate modules as they only look similar.  I know we won't get the version of the B-66 I want the most except as an AI asset- the EB-66. I want them at least as an AI asset with an overhaul of the EW environment. 

3 hours ago, AvgeekJoe said:

• F-117A - why not?

 

 

[WinterH]

Voted for F-111, Su-24, Tu-22M, Mirage IV, but my eyes also searched for, in vain, the B-58 :). Tho the latter is mostly for curiosity admittedly.

[Bremspropeller]

All of those planes got nothing on the Jag:

- will only lift off due to Earth's curvature - and that's with the POWERFUL 104 and 106 motors

- NAVWASS has enough RAM to either guide you OR work on a weapon-solution (if it didn't already tumble during takeoff-roll)

- may or may not have heaters on top of the wing

- will depart and swap ends easily with a central fuselage store

- needs partial-throttle reheat to not fall back from the tanker - and that's when doing a tobbogan

- or chose the french version with two Adour 102 afterburning hairdriers, no INS (but a doppler) but light enough to gun your a$$ during DACT

[upyr1]

36 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

All of those planes got nothing on the Jag:

- will only lift off due to Earth's curvature - and that's with the POWERFUL 104 and 106 motors

- NAVWASS has enough RAM to either guide you OR work on a weapon-solution (if it didn't already tumble during takeoff-roll)

- may or may not have heaters on top of the wing

- will depart and swap ends easily with a central fuselage store

- needs partial-throttle reheat to not fall back from the tanker - and that's when doing a tobbogan

- or chose the french version with two Adour 102 afterburning hairdriers, no INS (but a doppler) but light enough to gun your a$$ during DACT

the jag would be awesome. 

[SilentSparrow]

F-111 for Cold War. 

[Bananabrai]

On 12/3/2022 at 4:44 PM, WinterH said:

Tu-22M

I am totally in for the successor of the supersonic booze carrier.

[Northstar98]

80s/early 90s (El Dorado Canyon/Gulf War) spec F-111F.

[BalticDude]

I would really like a Xian H-6 by Deka tbh

If not that, then JH-7 or L-15 or Pakistani A-5

Edited December 15, 2022 by BalticDude

[Pasquale1986]

Even if pleaple say, the F-117A is a one trick pony, it offers a lot in regards of mission planning, precise flying in the dark alone with silent comms and being on time for AAR rendevous as well as target strikes.

Everyone who thinks a F-117A would be boring, should read Ospreys "F-117 Stealth Fighter Units of Operation Desert Storm"

[Bananabrai]

16 hours ago, Pasquale1986 said:

Even if pleaple say, the F-117A is a one trick pony, it offers a lot in regards of mission planning, precise flying in the dark alone with silent comms and being on time for AAR rendevous as well as target strikes.

Everyone who thinks a F-117A would be boring, should read Ospreys "F-117 Stealth Fighter Units of Operation Desert Storm"

I would enjoy it, throwing some super long GBU-27. 

Love the story of the Nighthawk driver in the FighterPilotPodcast episode about it.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

13 minutes ago, Bananabrai said:

I would enjoy it, throwing some super long GBU-27. 

Love the story of the Nighthawk driver in the FighterPilotPodcast episode about it.

I'd love it. High-risk missions, penetrating air defense networks, dropping a pair right on target? Sure, it's one mission, but it's a capability unrealized in DCS in this manner.

[trevoC]

You are missing some big guys from this list. Tu-160... bad ass, how could you not want to fly the largest flying object to ever go mach 2+ in history.

For me it would be the F-111 / Tu-160 (any TU really) / B1-B

I'd have no problem navigating high or low level across a map to fence in on a target and fence out across the map again.

Edited December 16, 2022 by trevoC

[Pasquale1986]

1 hour ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

I'd love it. High-risk missions, penetrating air defense networks, dropping a pair right on target? Sure, it's one mission, but it's a capability unrealized in DCS in this manner.

Cool thing is, that's why i mentioned the Osprey Book - it was not only two bombs on one target. There are missions depicted with two bombs on two seperate targets in one pass with very specific ingress and egress routes at specific altitudes to realizes two successfull drops, that requires really precise flying.

As @Bananabrai mentioned the Fighter Pilot Podcast should convince everyone, who likes A/G stuff, that the Nighthawk would be a really cool addition - even with the simplified RCS simulation we have.

And in the end of the day every dedicated Bomber does one thing: it drops munition on a target. Imho that "one trick pony-argument" is not really convincing

[Bananabrai]

2 hours ago, Pasquale1986 said:

simplified RCS simulation

For me the main thing missing (but that counts not only for F-117A, but especially F-15E, TOR, and everything else as well basically) is:

Limited SA of the AI during night time and of course bad weather/inside clouds.
This would give the opportunity to plan for example strike missions in bad weather, where CAP is not possible and SAMs also might have limited SA due to wind or what ever.
This would benefit the Nighthawk as well, as I think it would really shine during night time DEAD runs etc., even with the simplified RCS model.

So I agree, the RCS model would even be ok-ish like it is, just not the rest.

I was doing a night time CAP flight yesterday with @Bremspropeller on FP Levant - Damascus Steel (that would really be a perfect name for Syrian ...-actor...^^)
SA of the AI is definitely too high.