Any news on the Mig-23?

[BIGNEWY]

15 minutes ago, pepin1234 said:

I don’t use this Sim anymore. I will not buy anything for DCS unless ED change his policy for RU planes. 

Sorry to hear that pepin, but thank you for showing you care enough to give us feedback. I hope one day you will return and the aircraft available will be to your liking. 

best regards 

bignewy

[pepin1234]

14 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Sorry to hear that pepin, but thank you for showing you care enough to give us feedback. I hope one day you will return and the aircraft available will be to your liking. 

best regards 

bignewy

I’ll still be here in the Forum. I know you will miss me so hard. So I keep taking care of you a bit…

Edited December 9, 2024 by pepin1234

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, pepin1234 said:

I’ll still be here in the Forum. I know you will miss me so hard. So I keep taking care of you bit…

Passion and support at its best. 

thank you

 

[Chizh]

35 минут назад, pjbunnyru сказал:

mig29 will come. sales are unlikeli to be like F16/18. after all, 16 and 18 are new models, not aircraft from 80s.

You are wrong again. F-16C, F/A-18C and MiG-29 all products of 80th. And all those aircraft were presented into air forces in 90th and at the beginning of the 21st century.

[pjbunnyru]

1 минуту назад, Chizh сказал:

You are wrong again. F-16C, F/A-18C and MiG-29 all products of 80th. And all those aircraft were presented into air forces in 90th.

mig29a - 80`
f 16 block 50- 2000+
f18 lot20- 2000+

[Cab]

1 hour ago, pepin1234 said:

I don’t use this Sim anymore. I will not buy anything for DCS unless ED change his policy for RU planes. 

What policy do they need to change?After all, they’re already bringing an FF MiG-29 to the sim.

[MAXsenna]

You are wrong again. F-16C, F/A-18C and MiG-29 all products of 80th. And all those aircraft were presented into air forces in 90th and at the beginning of the 21st century.

The 80s? I'm sure you mean the 70s!

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[Volator]

On 11/22/2024 at 5:45 PM, pjbunnyru said:

@Chizh

@BIGNEWY

Nice to see you guys chiming in here. Can you elaborate on the quote by Kate? Some exciting news in the "2025 and beyond" video? Is it worthwhile to keep up hope for a MiG-23 in DCS? MiG-23 by ED?

Edited December 9, 2024 by Volator

[BIGNEWY]

Hi, 

lets wait and see what the future brings, we all want to see lots of aircraft in DCS. When we have news to share we will share it. 

thank you 

[Tommy528]

On 12/9/2024 at 6:56 AM, Cab said:

What policy do they need to change?After all, they’re already bringing an FF MiG-29 to the sim.

I'll explain it as I have come to understand the issue.

ED is a Russian based company. 

Russia is currently involved in some stuff in the world. 

The Russian government does not want Hi-fidelity modules of their Aircraft that are still in service, and will not give any technical data to my understanding. 

The FF is a 29A. Currently Russia uses the M, K and Mig-35 versions. Possibly more, I'm not an expert. 

 

In any case, Russia isn't worried if the west learn about a Mig-29A. They already got a bunch when East Germany, Poland, et-al joined NATO. 

The modernized version would be like comparing the F-16A, to the F-16C Bl.52 (and there are still things on those A/C in game that are restricted/classified)  Same bird on the outside, but inside a whole lotta things have changed. 

 

 

That's how I've come to understand the issue. if anyone knows otherwise, I'm certainly not the authority on this. 

[pepin1234]

On 12/10/2024 at 9:19 AM, Tommy528 said:

I'll explain it as I have come to understand the issue.

ED is a Russian based company. 

Russia is currently involved in some stuff in the world. 

The Russian government does not want Hi-fidelity modules of their Aircraft that are still in service, and will not give any technical data to my understanding. 

The FF is a 29A. Currently Russia uses the M, K and Mig-35 versions. Possibly more, I'm not an expert. 

 

In any case, Russia isn't worried if the west learn about a Mig-29A. They already got a bunch when East Germany, Poland, et-al joined NATO. 

The modernized version would be like comparing the F-16A, to the F-16C Bl.52 (and there are still things on those A/C in game that are restricted/classified)  Same bird on the outside, but inside a whole lotta things have changed. 

 

 

That's how I've come to understand the issue. if anyone knows otherwise, I'm certainly not the authority on this. 

pure misinformation!! 

[Avimimus]

On 12/9/2024 at 10:19 AM, BIGNEWY said:

Sorry to hear that pepin, but thank you for showing you care enough to give us feedback. I hope one day you will return and the aircraft available will be to your liking. 

best regards 

bignewy

My two cents:

- Western aircraft have complex bomb fuses. The Su-25 (and other Russian aircraft) can't even set the release altitude for cluster bombs... an option that should exist in the mission editor at the very least. This renders the RBK series pretty useless in almost all attack profiles (especially after updates to cluster bomb simulation were made in the game engine).

- The Ka-50 has to load 12 ATGMs whereas all Western helicopters have the option to use partially loaded racks.

There are a lot of areas where I've paid for updates (Black Shark 3, FC2024) and even very basic features to keep the Russian aircraft in line with developments in the game engine haven't been added.

Meanwhile we see a constant stream of new systems, subsystems and fixes for the American aircraft.

At the same time projects like the TS-11 Iskra haven't been green lit (in spite of the fact that it should be quite doable to at least the standards of many of the older DCS aircraft). The Mi-24P was/is the only ray of light in this.

[pepin1234]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

My two cents:

- Western aircraft have complex bomb fuses. The Su-25 (and other Russian aircraft) can't even set the release altitude for cluster bombs... an option that should exist in the mission editor at the very least. This renders the RBK series pretty useless in almost all attack profiles (especially after updates to cluster bomb simulation were made in the game engine).

- The Ka-50 has to load 12 ATGMs whereas all Western helicopters have the option to use partially loaded racks.

There are a lot of areas where I've paid for updates (Black Shark 3, FC2024) and even very basic features to keep the Russian aircraft in line with developments in the game engine haven't been added.

Meanwhile we see a constant stream of new systems, subsystems and fixes for the American aircraft.

At the same time projects like the TS-11 Iskra haven't been green lit (in spite of the fact that it should be quite doable to at least the standards of many of the older DCS aircraft). The Mi-24P was/is the only ray of light in this.

As an observation. They dropped any Russian developing project after Russian started campaign in Syria. We were very excited with Mig-23 project and again someone did something magic to make this project disappear (Mig-23). After many years telling Russian gov will persecute if you make a 4th gen fighter, they come out with Mig-29A, but they did tell only Mig-29A and not Su-27. You are free to believe after the Ukra war, it is totally possible to make the Su-27 as Su-27 Ukrainian are more than scanned in every piece by western personal as they even add western weapons to them. Also, ED is a western owned company. Wake up everybody!!

[DD_Fenrir]

7 minutes ago, pepin1234 said:

As an observation. They dropped any Russian developing project after Russian started campaign in Syria. We were very excited with Mig-23 project and again someone did something magic to make this project disappear (Mig-23). After many years telling Russian gov will persecute if you make a 4th gen fighter, they come out with Mig-29A, but they did tell only Mig-29A and not Su-27. You are free to believe after the Ukra war, it is totally possible to make the Su-27 as Su-27 Ukrainian are more than scanned in every piece by western personal as they even add western weapons to them. Also, ED is a western owned company. Wake up everybody!!

Please note, that this, if it were a book filed in a library would be found in the fiction department.

Spouting yet more excrement about which you know nothing again I see Pepin. SOP, eh?

The DCS Great Anti-Russo Aircraft Conspiracy campaigners at it again.

Seriously dude, I think your tin-foil hat needs an extra layer.

 

[Кош]

В 09.12.2024 в 12:51, Chizh сказал:

You are wrong again. F-16C, F/A-18C and MiG-29 all products of 80th. And all those aircraft were presented into air forces in 90th and at the beginning of the 21st century.

Falcon and Hornet depicted in DCS differ greatly from their initial models of the 80's, they are late 2000's mods as you yourself state. It's like saying that MiG-23MLD is a 60's machine.

[Кош]

В 30.11.2024 в 07:42, PLAAF сказал:

Nope, it's not about having the best variant. It's about the vortex generators. They made the MLD a better dogfight jet than its brother variants. And that means more fun.   

Unfortunately, knowing ED's policy of latest greatest mod possible I'm afraid of them choosing MLD if they ever decide to do a 23. MF and MLA are most historically relevant(and produced) though. Vortex generators won't help in a close in dogfight with an F-16 from 2007 anyway, but you'll be locked away from F1 mirages and Phantoms.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Кош

[PLAAF]

On 12/9/2024 at 9:51 PM, Chizh said:

You are wrong again. F-16C, F/A-18C and MiG-29 all products of 80th. And all those aircraft were presented into air forces in 90th and at the beginning of the 21st century.

Yes, but the DCS had made upgrade packages that are from 2008 for F-16C and F-18C if I am not mistaken. 

The Viper upgrade package or whatever it was called was delivered to F-16C and F-18C back in 2008 or something like that (correct me if I am wrong) to give them AIM-120C, AIM-9X and the helmet aiming sight. Ignore those for a second, even the AIM-120B was an upgrade made in 1994. Even the AIM-120A was introduced in September 1991, not in the 80s. The Soviets collapsed in December of that year. Its first engagement was in 1992. So AIM-120 and all its variants are not really a Cold War weapon, but a modern one.

However, the MiG-29 we are getting is an original flavoured MiG-29A from 1983, not even a grain of sea salt will be added.

[Volator]

12 hours ago, PLAAF said:

However, the MiG-29 we are getting is an original flavoured MiG-29A from 1983, not even a grain of sea salt will be added.

I dearly hope so! It will be doing fine in good DCS Cold War scenarios against the F1, F-4, F-5.

Now back to the MiG-23ML 

 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

On 12/9/2024 at 2:23 PM, Volator said:

quote by Kate?

As far as I understand, ED always wanted to do both the MiG-23 and MiG-27, and even blocked 3rd parties from making those. I imagine they had other priorities for a while so decided to better have a MiG-23 sooner than later, even when it gets done by a 3rd party 

[rednotdead]

I have nothing to add except to register my frustration and disappointment that the big egos responsible for this mess, whomever they may be, couldn't figure out a way to compromise and wasted the devs time/money and got my hopes up for naught after so many years.

Edited December 31, 2024 by rednotdead

[Elf1606688794]

On 12/9/2024 at 6:10 AM, MAXsenna said:

The 80s? I'm sure you mean the 70s!

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For sure the F-16C and F/A-18 were introduced in the 80's. The F-16A debuted in the mid-70's and the F/A-18 was the YF-17 that competed against the F-16 for the Air Force's lightweight fighter program. The U.S. Navy changed the designation to F/A-18 so it wouldn't look like they took the Air Force's reject. If I'm not mistaken the F/A-18 got some upgrades (not just tail hook and beefed up landing gear) before finally making it to production status.

I just looked it up, the MiG-29 entered service in 1983.

[303_Kermit]

Personally I couldn't care less about any gen 4 fighter. It's nice that thread about MiG-23 isn't dead.

Edited January 7 by 303_Kermit

[Mainstay]

Well i would be a very happy customer if ED decided to do the MiG-23MLD and the MiG-27K

Some кайра footage in the MiG-27K

https://dzen.ru/video/watch/63d41b5e8d85fd11e48ce746

Edited January 5 by Mainstay

[Creampie]

On 12/9/2024 at 5:51 AM, Chizh said:

You are wrong again. F-16C, F/A-18C and MiG-29 all products of 80th. And all those aircraft were presented into air forces in 90th and at the beginning of the 21st century.

lol 

Edited January 9 by Creampie

[Mainstay]

On 12/9/2024 at 11:51 AM, Chizh said:

You are wrong again. F-16C, F/A-18C and MiG-29 all products of 80th. And all those aircraft were presented into air forces in 90th and at the beginning of the 21st century.

To be honest Chizh the MiG-29A is no equal to the F-16CJ or the FA-18C we have ingame... For REDFOR to have an equal candidate we need the MiG-29S.