MNissen Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) I'm thinking about VR for DCS and I'm wondering if the esteemed members here, have opinions on Apple's forthcoming headset. Particularly: 1.41 inches diagonal, over 5000 nits of brightness and 4,000 pixels per inch. noted links: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/30/apple-ar-vr-headset-display-specs/ https://www.cultofmac.com/818515/rumored-4k-screens-apple-ar-vr-headset-offer-real-world-clarity/?utm_source=newsletters.cultofmac.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=apple-vr-ar-headset-might-offer-real-world-clarity https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2023/05/31/apple-reality-pro-vr-headset-new-report-claims-massive-leak/?sh=1f1e65807618 Edited May 31, 2023 by MNissen Mac Pro 5,1 (Early 2009) - 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon - 48 GB RAM - Radeon RX 590 Mac OS X 10.15 - Bootcamp - Windows 10 - 2 x SSD 1TB - T16000M HOTAS - DCS World & Open Beta - Operator still a newbie
speed-of-heat Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 No Idea, but Apple is not renowned for playing well with the PC eco-system in which we run DCS... 2 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
Mk1_Trebuchet Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 EXTREMELY unlikely that Apple will be friendly to PCs or gamers in general.... 2 Asrock X870E Nova - AMD 9800x3d - RTX 4090 - 64GB DDR5 - (2x) Crucial T705 - Varjo Aero
dburne Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 47 minutes ago, Mk1_Trebuchet said: EXTREMELY unlikely that Apple will be friendly to PCs or gamers in general.... This... 1 Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
MNissen Posted June 1, 2023 Author Posted June 1, 2023 Thanks for all the helpful replies. It's worth noting that DCS World works perfectly on the following Mac gear: Mac Pro 5,1 (Early 2009) - 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon - 48 GB RAM - Radeon RX 590 Mac OS X 10.15 - Bootcamp - Windows 10 - 2 x SSD 1TB - T16000M HOTAS - DCS World & Open Beta - ______ 1 Mac Pro 5,1 (Early 2009) - 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon - 48 GB RAM - Radeon RX 590 Mac OS X 10.15 - Bootcamp - Windows 10 - 2 x SSD 1TB - T16000M HOTAS - DCS World & Open Beta - Operator still a newbie
speed-of-heat Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 3 hours ago, MNissen said: Thanks for all the helpful replies. It's worth noting that DCS World works perfectly on the following Mac gear: Mac Pro 5,1 (Early 2009) - 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon - 48 GB RAM - Radeon RX 590 Mac OS X 10.15 - Bootcamp - Windows 10 - 2 x SSD 1TB - T16000M HOTAS - DCS World & Open Beta - ______ You mean not running their latest architecture, and actually running windows... On a platform that is no longer fully supported... Sure 2 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
ackattacker Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 The price is sky high not solely because of the displays, but because of the massive processing power built in. It is intended to run standalone apps, and augmented reality. The display technology is not exclusive to Apple and will make it’s way to other, less crazy priced headsets. That said, it is not totally inconceivable the “Apple Reality Pro” could work with PC games. Just highly unlikely… 1 Ryzen 7800x3d, 64gb, MSI RTX4090 Suprim , Sidewinder FFB with F16 grip, TM Warthog Throttle, MFG crosswind pedals. Pimax Crystal
WipeUout Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 3 hours ago, speed-of-heat said: You mean not running their latest architecture, and actually running windows... On a platform that is no longer fully supported... Sure and in pancake mode... 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9800X3D, RTX 4090, 96GB DDR 5, MSI Tomahawk 870E, Crucial 2TB x 2, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, THE AMAZING PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/15E/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3.
YoYo Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 14 hours ago, MNissen said: I'm thinking about VR for DCS and I'm wondering if the esteemed members here, have opinions on Apple's forthcoming headset. Particularly: 1.41 inches diagonal, over 5000 nits of brightness and 4,000 pixels per inch. noted links: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/30/apple-ar-vr-headset-display-specs/ https://www.cultofmac.com/818515/rumored-4k-screens-apple-ar-vr-headset-offer-real-world-clarity/?utm_source=newsletters.cultofmac.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=apple-vr-ar-headset-might-offer-real-world-clarity https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2023/05/31/apple-reality-pro-vr-headset-new-report-claims-massive-leak/?sh=1f1e65807618 iOS only, parameters are nice, yesterday I saw a preview, but it won't work with DCS or other Windows games. 2 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
Supmua Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 The specs sound crazy if true and image quality will probably blow everything else away. However, I don’t expect it to work with DCS unless you can stream via specialized apps such as Virtual Destop…but let’s wait for the official announcement. 22 minutes ago, YoYo said: iOS only, parameters are nice, yesterday I saw a preview, but it won't work with DCS or other Windows games. Are you an insider? 1 PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/
Slippa Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 7 hours ago, MNissen said: Thanks for all the helpful replies. It's worth noting that DCS World works perfectly on the following Mac gear: Mac Pro 5,1 (Early 2009) - 2 x 2.26 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon - 48 GB RAM - Radeon RX 590 Mac OS X 10.15 - Bootcamp - Windows 10 - 2 x SSD 1TB - T16000M HOTAS - DCS World & Open Beta - ______ Worth noting for me as this is the first post I think I’ve read here from someone using a Mac running Bootcamp to fly DCS. This headset doesn’t appeal to me, merely because I’m not interested in VR that much but it looks like another step forward, at another silly price. Funny reading from people that have already invested in VR buckets to put their heads in poo-pooing it though. Personally, I’m not looking for ‘full immersion’ so flying pancake is exactly what I had in mind before I bought my computer. I looked at as many configs as I could bear and still wanted what I bought. Lovely 5k screen too. Having DCS running on it hasn’t been too shabby, maybe not all the bells and whistles but some of us aren’t looking for them in the first place. Interesting to see what’s knocking about though and amusing when it tickles the anti-mac brigade. I’m on a 2019 iMac, i7, RadeonPro 5700xt, 4x1tb T7ssds, more HDDs, some mice, a Warthog, MFGs, trackir5, (beating anyones goggles) a cup of coffee and I’m quite happy without my head in a bucket flailing my arms about fumbling to adjust my undercarriage and for that reason, I won’t be investing and I’m out. - Sorry, wrong channel. 1
WipeUout Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, Slippa said: Personally, I’m not looking for ‘full immersion’ You can rationalize as much as you want but if you are interested in flying a combat airplane on a PC, then immersion is inherently part of that. We all share, deep down inside, that dream of flying one of these for real. Dare to try VR out and you will never go back to pancake. 4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9800X3D, RTX 4090, 96GB DDR 5, MSI Tomahawk 870E, Crucial 2TB x 2, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, THE AMAZING PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/15E/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3.
Hiob Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, WipeUout said: Dare to try VR out and you will never go back to pancake. Been there, done this. So never say never. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. There is lot to love about VR (in principle), but there is equally many objective flaws. Inferior picture quality, uncomfortable, higher hardware demands...etc..... I'm sure that we will get there someday - but for now it is far from perfect. 2 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
WipeUout Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 37 minutes ago, Hiob said: but for now it is far from perfect. I don't think anyone is saying that. It takes more powerful and extra hardware to enjoy VR, but once you have a good setup you don't want to go back to pancake. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9800X3D, RTX 4090, 96GB DDR 5, MSI Tomahawk 870E, Crucial 2TB x 2, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, THE AMAZING PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/15E/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3.
Hiob Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, WipeUout said: you don't want to go back to pancake. Still wrong. I'd suggest you let people make their own judgements. "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
WipeUout Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hiob said: Still wrong. I'd suggest you let people make their own judgements. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I am not forcing any decision here but simply stating my opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9800X3D, RTX 4090, 96GB DDR 5, MSI Tomahawk 870E, Crucial 2TB x 2, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, THE AMAZING PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/15E/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3.
Hiob Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 1 minute ago, WipeUout said: I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I am not forcing any decision here but simply stating my opinion. I didn't have a bad experience. It worked for me, but still I prefer pancake for a couple of reasons. That is my only gripe with your statement. 1. I hate being evangelized. 2. Despite your absolute statement, VR isn't for everyone. You love it. Great! I hope VR get's further improvement, so that you can enjoy it even more. More power to you. And I will for sure recheck and re-evaluate for myself later down the road. "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
WipeUout Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 I hate being insulted. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Your prefer pancake, I respect that, it is your opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9800X3D, RTX 4090, 96GB DDR 5, MSI Tomahawk 870E, Crucial 2TB x 2, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, THE AMAZING PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/15E/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3.
Hiob Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, WipeUout said: I hate being insulted. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Your prefer pancake, I respect that, it is your opinion. If you take anything I said as an unbearable insult - you will have hard times on public forums. Just saying. If you can't take the backlash, don't make such bold claims. "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?"
WipeUout Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, Hiob said: unbearable insult Naw, I can take more than that. Again, I respect your opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9800X3D, RTX 4090, 96GB DDR 5, MSI Tomahawk 870E, Crucial 2TB x 2, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, THE AMAZING PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/15E/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3.
Steel Jaw Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 Apple is always waaaay overpriced. 1 "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB.
SharpeXB Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 It’s hard to tell what 4,000 PPI means. 4,000 pixels for a 1” display? 4,000p? I can’t imagine any PC being able to handle that even in 2D let alone VR. And this isn’t even PCVR but a standalone. So you can see legless Meta cat avatars in Horizon Worlds in 20/20 clarity? i9-14900KS | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO | 64GB DDR5 5600MHz | iCUE H150i Liquid CPU Cooler | ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4090 OC | Windows 11 Home | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe | Corsair RM1000x | LG 48GQ900-B 4K OLED Monitor | CH Fighterstick | Ch Pro Throttle | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR 5
DirtyMike0330 Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Slippa said: I’m not interested in VR that much Yet, you feel the need to throw your two cents in the VR forum. Thanks for the input that nobody asked for (or cares about) PC: ASUS TUF 4090oc - Ryzen 7950X3D - 32gb DDR5 6000 - Quest Pro Sims: DCS, IL2, MSFS Pilot Skill: Drunk guy from Independence Day RIO Skill: Goose (post neck-break)
Slippa Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 “Not interested that much”. If I were completely disinterested I wouldn’t have looked in, did you consider that? Also interesting to see others using a similar set up to me starting a thread discussing it. I missed your appointment as, well, anything constructive really but always a pleasure sweetheart, opinions are like arses, we’ve all got em. Don’t be upset, buy yourself a headset or something, maybe one of these. You’d be well placed to give everyone your judgement then and better inform everybody.
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