Rhinozherous Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Can confirm, ATT Hold still buged after 2.9, not usable. Edited October 31, 2023 by Rhinozherous 1 i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) This has been driving me nuts, good to know it's not just me. Cruising in level flight and engaging ATT results in uncommanded roll. Engaging ATT after establishing a hands-off hover with FTR results in massive pitch or roll movements until it eventually settles down. Hotfix patch notes claimed it was fixed but it evidently is not. Edited November 1, 2023 by Nealius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Hm, can't get it. Always after Take Off, I immediately switch to hover by pressing ATT Hold. BUT only after the bird isn't moving any longer in any direction. Only then I press ATT Hold. It just evens out and that's it. Cyclic is in "INSTANT TRIM (FFB FRIENDLY)" and Pedals "WITHOUT SPRINGS AND FFB". Same with level flight. Reduce speed to zero and keep it - if it helps - in the BOB (toggling the symbology select switch AFT) by sensibly playing with pedals, collective and cyclic. When centered, press ATT Hold. Works fine for me. Takes just some training and patience... WIN10-Pro., ASUS ROG Z390-E, INTEL Core i7-970K, RTX 2080Ti, 64GB RAM, ACER Predator XB271HU 2560 x 1440 144Hz, DCS Open Beta: SSD970 EVO Plus 1TB, DCS Stable: SSD 870 EVO 1TB Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar (U2nxt) / Foxy, Simpeds , TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flia Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 I have the same problem. As soon as I press attitude hold, the helicopter starts to slowly roll to the right side. This makes the autopilot unusable. 1 1 PC: i7 9700K, 32 GB RAM, RTX 2080 SUPER, Tir 5, Hotas Warthog Throttle, VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base with VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, VKB-SIM T-RUDDER PEDALS MK.IV. Modules : NEVADA, F-5E, M-2000C, BF-109K4, A-10C, FC3, P-51D, MIG-21BIS, MI-8MTV2, F-86F, FW-190D9, UH-1H, L-39, MIG-15BIS, AJS37, SPITFIRE-MKIX, AV8BNA, PERSIAN GULF, F/A-18C HORNET, YAK-52, KA-50, F-14,SA342, C-101, F-16, JF-17, Supercarrier,I-16,MIG-19P, P-47D,A-10C_II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd1212 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Trigger said: Works fine for me. Takes just some training and patience... Other threads (or maybe even this one) mention a wind component to the issue, so maybe you are flying in a zero-wind environment? It definitely isn't just a user issue. At one point I had established a very stable manual hover with less than 1 knot of drift, and when I enabled ATT Hold, the aircraft worked its way into an oscillation that exceeded 50 knot swings forward and backward. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 @Floyd1212: You're right. Zero wind. Will try with different weather settings. So best ignore my comment. WIN10-Pro., ASUS ROG Z390-E, INTEL Core i7-970K, RTX 2080Ti, 64GB RAM, ACER Predator XB271HU 2560 x 1440 144Hz, DCS Open Beta: SSD970 EVO Plus 1TB, DCS Stable: SSD 870 EVO 1TB Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar (U2nxt) / Foxy, Simpeds , TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynxD Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) Seems like you need to be VERY precise with your trim and manual hover before pushing ATT hold otherwise aircraft will throw it self all over the place before eventually enters hover... or crashes into something. Depends. That ain`t seems the right behavior. Edited November 1, 2023 by LynxD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTHAWK1 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Att GEORGE, MT, VR ---- ETC SO MUCH IS FOBARed Never seen such a poor Beta release. So hard to do much of anything. I have read all the post, sure hope DCS/ED fixes things. Very unhappy customer here. I have spent way to much money to see this mess. Might just go back to X-plane? 2 I-9 12900K, RTX 3090, 64 GB, 2TB SSD, Oculus Quest 2, Win 11, Winwing Orion F-16EX Stick, F-18 dual throttle, Thrustmaster TPR pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd1212 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Sounds like maybe you would be better served on the stable branch? Open Beta may not be for everyone… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHTHAWK1 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just blowing some steam. But like I said - worst Beta I have ever seen -- and only been playing with them for 50 years. Somebody(s) really screwed up with this one. It is nice to add a few new features, DLSS ALSS, voice, etc, but DO NO HARM!!! I-9 12900K, RTX 3090, 64 GB, 2TB SSD, Oculus Quest 2, Win 11, Winwing Orion F-16EX Stick, F-18 dual throttle, Thrustmaster TPR pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comcat Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 It's so bad. how can you brake something that was working so bad. UPdate? no- Downdate!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiki Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 It seems this is the case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Give them some slack guys, it will be fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 3 hours ago, admiki said: It seems this is the case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Keep the SCAS tweaks on a dev branch and keep them off the release branches until the changes are complete, then it won't be "damned if you do, damned if you don't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiki Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 10 hours ago, Nealius said: Keep the SCAS tweaks on a dev branch and keep them off the release branches until the changes are complete, then it won't be "damned if you do, damned if you don't." And then you'll get bunch of whining "but, what is taking them this long? Why don't they release it anyway, this thing is unflyable right now!" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreNL Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share Posted November 4, 2023 Dear fellow pilots, I did not start this topic to complain, humiliate or completely criticize someone. I started this topic to see if I am the only pilot who has this problem, and if not, it is a signal to the designers to address these problems in their work. We are talking about the beta version here, it is still Work In Progress. As everyone is slowly used to, an update is always 3 steps forward and 1 step back. A lot of problems have been solved, which I am very grateful for and yes, unfortunately, 1 problem has rised to the surface. Together with the entire community, we are real testers here, we experience the defects and we pass them on so that developers can work on them. In a real Apache, things sometimes break... don't forget that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nereid Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, AndreNL said: I started this topic to see if I am the only pilot who has this problem, and if not, it is a signal to the designers to address these problems in their work. You are not alone. I'm facing the some problem even with the latest patch. Lets hope they will improve this soon. But cudos to them for fixing the replays when flying helicopters. Edited November 4, 2023 by Nereid 1 DCS:A-10C / DCS:Ka-50 / DCS:UH-1H / DCS:Mig21bis / DCS:P-51D / DCS:Mi-8MTV2 / DCS:Fw190D9 / DCS:Bf109K4 / DCS:C-101EB / DCS:L-39C / DCS:F-5E / DCS:Spitfire LF Mk. IX / DCS:AJS37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nereid Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 22 hours ago, comcat said: It's so bad. how can you brake something that was working so bad. UPdate? no- Downdate!!! This is quite common in software development. Often things depend on each other. A fix here, another issue there. Sometimes the new issue is overlooked. But ATT mode works that bad (at least for me), it is really hard to overlook. 1 DCS:A-10C / DCS:Ka-50 / DCS:UH-1H / DCS:Mig21bis / DCS:P-51D / DCS:Mi-8MTV2 / DCS:Fw190D9 / DCS:Bf109K4 / DCS:C-101EB / DCS:L-39C / DCS:F-5E / DCS:Spitfire LF Mk. IX / DCS:AJS37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flia Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Right now it is definitely better not to use the autopilot at all 1 PC: i7 9700K, 32 GB RAM, RTX 2080 SUPER, Tir 5, Hotas Warthog Throttle, VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base with VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, VKB-SIM T-RUDDER PEDALS MK.IV. Modules : NEVADA, F-5E, M-2000C, BF-109K4, A-10C, FC3, P-51D, MIG-21BIS, MI-8MTV2, F-86F, FW-190D9, UH-1H, L-39, MIG-15BIS, AJS37, SPITFIRE-MKIX, AV8BNA, PERSIAN GULF, F/A-18C HORNET, YAK-52, KA-50, F-14,SA342, C-101, F-16, JF-17, Supercarrier,I-16,MIG-19P, P-47D,A-10C_II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedzWD40 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Still unreliable as of OB 2.9.1.48111. Will eventually stabilize but really struggles for the first moments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belphe Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 There was no mention about any FM alterations. Really sad about that Never say never, Baby! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mausar Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Sadly it's not fixed yet. I really hope this fix will be in next patch. I really like to sneak and hover but with that dancing all over the place not knowing will you hover of drifted away... Ah well back to trusty Hog and wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belphe Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Yeah, trying to utilise/babysit George while doing all I can not to crash into any nearby obstacles is a real treat Never say never, Baby! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinozherous Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Still not usable i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBaby Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Hi all, is ATT working correctly in the stable version (non beta)? I like the DLSS improvements, but I would rather have a functioning HELO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiki Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Maybe, maybe not. Stable gets its code from beta and some people had issues with previous versions. Whether it is a real bug or user error is impossible to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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