UK Aircraft, Classified Status and Systems Modelling?

[Gunfreak]

It's a training and acrobatics plane. Not gonna have many stat secrets is it.

[Mars Exulte]

12 hours ago, Xilon_x said:

do you remember this in DCS?

 Unfortunately, I *do* remember that.

12 hours ago, Xilon_x said:

so you think the English are such assholes?

 Well, I am a colonial, yes! But more practically... also, yes! They are fussy about these topics.

12 hours ago, Xilon_x said:

 don't think so....I think this plane is very important for the English

 It is an unarmed trainer jet widely exported. Also, beside the point. They can be negotiated with, that doesn't mean those negotiations are as painless as with some other countries. ''Hard to work with'' does not mean ''impossible''.

[BIGNEWY]

Last reminder for people in this thread. 

Treat everyone with respect, stay on topic and keep away from politics. Failure to comply will earn you warning points and a deleted post. 

thank you

 

[Extranajero]

The Sea Harrier FRS1 flight manual is easily available online. The Sea Harrier FRS1 weapons manual, which covers the radar isn't ( to my knowledge ) - but the BAE Heritage Centre has a physical copy that can be viewed ( and photographed ) by anyone for a small fee. Very probably there are other copies in private hands.
At the time ( and maybe now ? ) manuals would be destroyed as a matter of routine after a weapon system had been out of service for 10 or 15 years to reduce the amount of bumpf that the MOD had to store and deal with. That's the reason for the scarcity of manuals.
There is no research barrier to anyone wanting to model a Falklands era Sea Harrier for simulation, anyone saying there is hasn't tried very hard.

The Sea Harrier FA2 radar was a special case. It was very capable and could guide AMRAAMs - it was considered so sensitive that when it went out of service the MOD told the manufacturers to destroy every last piece of paper that was written about it, not just any manuals. The radars themselves were smashed into tiny pieces and buried in an undisclosed location. Probably RAF Spadeadam for anyone with a metal detector and a desire to be arrested by MOD PLOD
 

[Kev2go]

On 11/21/2023 at 6:31 PM, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Well, there's still a reason we have a "M2000C" instead of a "Mirage 2000C"  

legal IP/ copyright  concerns from Dassault or something. probably same reason why the "hornet" from the F/A18C got removed in the main menu. 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Kev2go

[rkk01]

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There is no research barrier to anyone wanting to model a Falklands era Sea Harrier for simulation, anyone saying there is hasn't tried very hard.

That’s my take, unfortunately…

… and the point of this thread was around the degree of fidelity required to allow a DCS module

As @Mars Exulte states ^^, DCS aircraft don’t have a radar… just an approximation of how a particular unit performs - in which case you’d expect sufficient osint material to allow the FRS1 and other UK aircraft to be modelled

Agree that the FA2 is a totally different issue

 

[ollk22]

On 11/21/2023 at 11:49 AM, Mr_sukebe said:

It's interesting that the French, German and Spanish don't mind so much.

Makes me wonder if the Indians would let us have data on the Sea Harrier, and the south Africans data on the Buccaneer.

Could be the same with the Jags as India still run these!

Man I'd love to see one though! Also hoping they might just send one over to RIAT before final retirement... Can always wish!

[Silver_Dragon]

On 12/1/2023 at 12:16 PM, ollk22 said:

Could be the same with the Jags as India still run these!

Man I'd love to see one though! Also hoping they might just send one over to RIAT before final retirement... Can always wish!

By that thought, ED could have created a Su-25 module with information from Peru or Bulgaria... but we have the Russian "problem"... England is very picky with its secrets. if no aproval, not movements.

Regarding the manuals, Wags has been reminding us for two videos that if there is no information from "open sources", he does not give a "not go" to a 3rd party to create a module. About  radars, ED has an radar model, and is implementing a new radar-model of search mode operations functionality.

[F-2]

https://airsciences.org.uk/archive-library-collection/
 

apparently they are the keepers of Harrier Fa.2 documention.