OH-6A by Tobsen and Eightball

[Slippa]

I just updated DCS and checked the Spitfire. Throttle binding's buggered with a red exclaimation mark.

Check my little bird and the update's buggered that too. No collective, red exclaimation mark.

I'm developing a big red exclaimation mark of my own here. Bloody updates have me grounded.

Edit: Panic over, drama queen dethroned and should be good. Looks like it was isolated to moi.

Edited July 11, 2024 by Slippa

[Slippa]

I'm getting a bit protective over here, Mr T.

Tread carefully around our little bird. Nobody puts baby in a corner an all that . Constructive but gentle, and speak in whispers

[tobi]

6 hours ago, Slippa said:

I'm getting a bit protective over here, Mr T.

Tread carefully around our little bird. Nobody puts baby in a corner an all that . Constructive but gentle, and speak in whispers

 

9 hours ago, CommandT said:

@tobi Any FM updates on the horizon? 

Only telling what exactly is off instead of saying it is completely off would help to improve it. 

[Slippa]

From what I’ve seen and read pilots that have flown the real thing say it’s ok.

I couldn’t comment on technical stuff specifically but I love it. It’s sensitive and as Hiob says, when she goes out of shape you’re not likely to recover but that makes sense to me.

I don’t have a bad word to say about it. Lovely job. 

[tobi]

13 minutes ago, Slippa said:

From what I’ve seen and read pilots that have flown the real thing say it’s ok.

I couldn’t comment on technical stuff specifically but I love it. It’s sensitive and as Hiob says, when she goes out of shape you’re not likely to recover but that makes sense to me.

I don’t have a bad word to say about it. Lovely job. 

Yeah it was meant to CommandT because he thinks it off completely but did not give details yet.

[Hiob]

Maybe merge those two threads? It kind of revolves around the same topic....

[dahui]

Hallo Tobi

 

I still owe you a Trackfile regarding the Low / ZeroSpeed AR behaviour. But im currently almost never home. I saved some Trackfiles but was not able to post them. Sorry

The Yaw Issue with not being able to stop the Rotation is only when the NR Overspeeds. When in Green its OK, you just have to apply a lot of Right Pedal, which seems fine to me.

But, it will fall into a Vortex even with the TwistGrip in Idle. The Collective needs to be at almost 3/4 Up to have it under control.

Normaly the Difference of the Collective Position between a normal AR (around 60kts, NR at 100%) and Vertical (0 kts) is only minimal. You have to apply a bit more Collective in the Vertical vs. the "normal". In the Real Thing (206, 407, 505) it works like this: Stable RPM at 60 kts., slight Flare and when you approach the 0 kts. you have to put the Collective down, until the Sinkrate increases, then you have to apply Collective again a bit more than before to keep it at a 100% again. Cyclic is far AFT. (On the 206 you sometimes are at the Mechanical Stop)

greetings

 

 

Edited July 12, 2024 by dahui
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[Scarecrow84]

6 hours ago, tobi said:

 

Only telling what exactly is off instead of saying it is completely off would help to improve it. 

To me, there is something fundamentally different about the way it responds to cyclic input vs. the ah-6 mod (the flight model of which is actually based on the Loach). It seems like there is a "looseness" to cyclic response and I am constantly getting into induced oscillations.

Mover's initial assessment was that something was off with the "physics", but idk if he ever got more specific than that. That was with the previous fm. Mover has flown the oh-6 irl.

Personally, now that the dust has settled, I honestly wish it flew more like the ah-6 mod. I really appreciate all the work you've put in to it, so I'm just trying to be constructive here.

[Slippa]

37 minutes ago, tobi said:

Yeah it was meant to CommandT because he thinks it off completely but did not give details yet.

Yeah I know, just speaking from my point of view as a ‘DCS pilot’ and happy punter .

Obviously if you can get feedback from people more technically minded or better yet, pilots that have flown them in the real world, all the better. 

dahui looks to have given you something to go on, just in time. Hopefully CommandT comes back with more detail too. Me, I just jump in and fly em. I can tell you stories about what I got up to but the mathematical and technical bits I’ll leave the rest of ya to deal with .

Don't you go messin about with it too much though.

[tobi]

17 minutes ago, Scarecrow84 said:

To me, there is something fundamentally different about the way it responds to cyclic input vs. the ah-6 mod (the flight model of which is actually based on the Loach). It seems like there is a "looseness" to cyclic response and I am constantly getting into induced oscillations.

Mover's initial assessment was that something was off with the "physics", but idk if he ever got more specific than that. That was with the previous fm. Mover has flown the oh-6 irl.

Personally, now that the dust has settled, I honestly wish it flew more like the ah-6 mod. I really appreciate all the work you've put in to it, so I'm just trying to be constructive here.

There was a big change from 1.1 (Mover) to 1.2. As far as I know he did not try 1.2

[Hiob]

3 minutes ago, tobi said:

There was a big change from 1.1 (Mover) to 1.2. As far as I know he did not try 1.2

We should invite him to test again. I think the update to 1.2 did a lot for the FM.

[Slippa]

1 minute ago, Hiob said:

We should invite him to test again. I think the update to 1.2 did a lot for the FM.

Not a bad idea. 1.2 is much better. Tobi was quick with it too .

[tobi]

1 hour ago, dahui said:

Hallo Tobi

 

I still owe you a Trackfile regarding the Low / ZeroSpeed AR behaviour. But im currently almost never home. I saved some Trackfiles but was not able to post them. Sorry

The Yaw Issue with not being able to stop the Rotation is only when the NR Overspeeds. When in Green its OK, you just have to apply a lot of Right Pedal, which seems fine to me.

But, it will fall into a Vortex even with the TwistGrip in Idle. The Collective needs to be at almost 3/4 Up to have it under control.

Normaly the Difference of the Collective Position between a normal AR (around 60kts, NR at 100%) and Vertical (0 kts) is only minimal. You have to apply a bit more Collective in the Vertical vs. the "normal". In the Real Thing (206, 407, 505) it works like this: Stable RPM at 60 kts., slight Flare and when you approach the 0 kts. you have to put the Collective down, until the Sinkrate increases, then you have to apply Collective again a bit more than before to keep it at a 100% again. Cyclic is far AFT. (On the 206 you sometimes are at the Mechanical Stop)

greetings

 

 

 

I started already to go into that topic. I was wondering how the situation looks like. Is there a typical height to start with that? I guess you would try to pick up speed immediately if you can right? This is a very in depth feedback on a border regime Thx

8 minutes ago, Slippa said:

Not a bad idea. 1.2 is much better. Tobi was quick with it too .

Sure but there is some feedback of md500 pilots too. As far I know mover is still learning to fly it or did I get that wrong?

[Digitalvole]

My copy of Low Level Hell arrived yesterday, so I’m off to the pub tonight to give that a good read. Then I’ll be downloading this first thing tomorrow morning, woop woop!

I’ve become a bit obsessed with the helos in DCS recently, haven’t been in the spitfire or hornet in ages. I’m going through one of the worst periods of my life right now, and DCS + Helicopters is really helping me out, so thank you.

[One Eyed Ross]

24 minutes ago, Digitalvole said:

My copy of Low Level Hell arrived yesterday, so I’m off to the pub tonight to give that a good read. Then I’ll be downloading this first thing tomorrow morning, woop woop!

I’ve become a bit obsessed with the helos in DCS recently, haven’t been in the spitfire or hornet in ages. I’m going through one of the worst periods of my life right now, and DCS + Helicopters is really helping me out, so thank you.

It's a great read, and gives a lot of insight into what the pilots went through.  
I'm looking forward to the Cobra mod coming out, so we can have some hunter/killer teams start up.

 

[Slippa]

12 hours ago, Digitalvole said:

I’ve become a bit obsessed with the helos in DCS recently, haven’t been in the spitfire or hornet in ages. I’m going through one of the worst periods of my life right now, and DCS + Helicopters is really helping me out, so thank you.

This little thing made me learn to fly choppers better. Granted before, I couldn’t hover, could barely take off and daren’t land any but that’s besides the point.

I was glued to my props and had a hangar full of helis and jets. I’d set the bindings and maybe learn to cold start one or two but I’d be straight back to fly the props and hadn’t touched anything else for a long time.

When we got this, I couldn’t fly it for toffee but I had to. Dodgy bindings was mostly the problem, then it was just down to me to smash it into the trees trying to fly it. I was killing myself laughing half the time. v1.2 came and it got more ‘stable’. In quotes cos this is a wobbly little bird even so, and not in a bad way, for me.

I was bang on this until the Kiowa dropped and I was off again to learn that. After this baptism of fire the Kiowa was a doddle. I don’t know how long I would’ve stayed trying to perfect my prop flying (forever) but thanks to the little egg, I got out of the Mossie, flew this for a bit and started making use of the rest of the bits I’d paid for too.

Now, I jump in and out of props and helis and even climbed the dizzy heights of filling a tank in the Hornet only a week or so back. Woo. About bleedin time I got some use out of it all. If the update hadn’t screwed up pretty much every module I’d have flown more but I’ve been re-assigning crap all over the place since installing it.

Like yourself, I’m in a fair bit of pickle here too. I’m fighting battles on a few fronts and none of em are gonna be sorted quickly and none of em easily whichever way I go. It’s good to bury your head in the cockpit and forget it for a bit, I get that. Sometimes life’s a bitch, sometimes my mrs is . (I didn’t sat that). Just hunker down til the wind blows a different direction. Do what we can, then point into wind and… away .

Alright, I’ve gone way off sensible never mind topic but ya know what I mean. Grab the Little bird, set ya bindings, load up the Magnum theme tune or Ryde of the Valkeries and knock yourself out. It’s bananas. 

chin up and don’t neglect the Spitfire, it’ll sulk .

 

[DmitriKozlowsky]

That is an impressive mod. Very sensitive, like real thing. Realistic EFM flignt model?

[aceviper]

8 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

That is an impressive mod. Very sensitive, like real thing. Realistic EFM flignt model?

I guess only a real pilot of the OH-6A can answer that question.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Making a "travel vlog" for Eastern Falkland after the map update. If you can overcome the hovering and vertical landing part, it is a great helicopter to fly! A lot of fun, and great mileage too. This is my favourite tourist aircraft fttb. Imagine this is just slightly bigger than a sedan.

If my understanding is correct, each number of the altimeter is 100 feet, I find that if the bird is above 800 ft, it starts to behaving very funny, like tilting up automatically and the it starts to stall itself as a result.

Edited July 14, 2024 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[Slippa]

Checking the update yesterday I plonked a few bits around for traffic.

I meant to drop the loach as a static but forgot to.

Testing the Mossie I took off and flew along the coastline when who turned up flying but the loach. 

I’ve tried before, sometimes it flies a bit, sometimes they blow up.

Would be good to be able to plot and use it properly but I don’t know if it’s something Tobi & Eightball can do something about or if it’s an ED thing?

[tobi]

40 minutes ago, Slippa said:

Checking the update yesterday I plonked a few bits around for traffic.

I meant to drop the loach as a static but forgot to.

Testing the Mossie I took off and flew along the coastline when who turned up flying but the loach. 

I’ve tried before, sometimes it flies a bit, sometimes they blow up.

Would be good to be able to plot and use it properly but I don’t know if it’s something Tobi & Eightball can do something about or if it’s an ED thing?

I don't understand exactly what you mean

[Slippa]

Sorry Tobi, my fault.

What I mean, is I placed an OH-6A in the ME forgetting it doesn’t fly as AI. It did fly though.

Wondered if the update might’ve fixed it or if you could fix it to fly as AI? To use in missions as flyable AI.

cheers 

[tobi]

4 hours ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Making a "travel vlog" for Eastern Falkland after the map update. If you can overcome the hovering and vertical landing part, it is a great helicopter to fly! A lot of fun, and great mileage too. This is my favourite tourist aircraft fttb. Imagine this is just slightly bigger than a sedan.

If my understanding is correct, each number of the altimeter is 100 feet, I find that if the bird is above 800 ft, it starts to behaving very funny, like tilting up automatically and the it starts to stall itself as a result.

 

Could you share a trackfile?

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Sorry I forgot to save it at the end...I can redo it and send it over here.

[Hawkeye60]

Who remembers this one?