Iraq Map Improvements over past maps, Size, and Regions

[Raviar]

On 1/7/2024 at 6:06 PM, SteelPig said:

My wish for the scope of iraq map.



Yepp, it looks pretty large at first. But with roughly 2,7 million square kilometers it's smaller than South Atlantic map ( 3.1 million square kilometers) and some time ago ED said, it's not the pure size of a map whats holding back in first place anymore, but the amount of assets. And at this point I just hope the mentioned upgrades of the development kit could allow such a map. 

you will need at least 200GB for this map and highly not implemented, although not intended to be! its Iraq consentarted on Baghdad, IMO the most optimistic senario would be small tiny west border of iran and may be the entire west of Iraq. Shiraz and Isfahan are in the middle of Iran! (speaking of shiraz, wine would be nice while thinking of this size for this map) and you went all the way to the north of Iran and even Capital  including Caspian Sea! really! while you have the pen can you please drag it all the way to the east of Afghanistain ?  

On 1/9/2024 at 5:29 PM, BIGNEWY said:

We will share more detail in a reveal newsletter as we get closer to early access. 

thanks

cant waite for it.
Thanks 

Edited January 11, 2024 by Raviar

[SteelPig]

5 minutes ago, Raviar said:

you will need at least 200GB for this map and highly not implemented, although not intended to be! its Iraq consentarted on Baghdad, IMO the most optimistic senario would be small tiny west border of iran and may be the entire west of Iraq. Shiraz and Isfahan are in the middle of Iran! (speaking of shiraz, wine would be nice while thinking of this size for this map) and you went all the way to the north of Iran and even Capital  including Caspian Sea! really! while you have the pen can you please drag it all the way to the east of Afghanistain ?  

 

You can joke as much as you want, my reasons for drawing it that way are written down. 
P.S. You are aware of the fact ED is bulding a technology to make way more possible? We don't know what the technology can do in 2024 and what it can't. 

[Silver_Dragon]

11 minutes ago, Raviar said:

you will need at least 200GB for this map and highly not implemented, although not intended to be! its Iraq consentarted on Baghdad, IMO the most optimistic senario would be small tiny west border of iran and may be the entire west of Iraq. Shiraz and Isfahan are in the middle of Iran! (speaking of shiraz, wine would be nice while thinking of this size for this map) and you went all the way to the north of Iran and even Capital  including Caspian Sea! really! while you have the pen can you please drag it all the way to the east of Afghanistain ?  

 

Remember Zagros Mountains has show on the "2024 and Beyond" video. That will be show parts of Iran frontier and / or the Mosul region / South East Turkey and some west Syria on a Initial release.

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Edited January 11, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Raviar]

11 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Remember Zagros Mountains has show on the "2024 and Beyond" video. That will be show parts of Iran frontier and / or the Mosul region / South East Turkey and some west Syria on a Initial release.

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part of Zagros is in Iraq and it can be west of iran but without any details, in PG there is not any detail once you move to the north from Lar. the Shiraz and Kerman added in last phase and the focus was Hormouz Straight. Same with Sinai and Syria Not all parts of the map are implemented with high detail.

15 minutes ago, SteelPig said:

You can joke as much as you want, my reasons for drawing it that way are written down. 
P.S. You are aware of the fact ED is bulding a technology to make way more possible? We don't know what the technology can do in 2024 and what it can't. 

I believe its mostly about business plan, resources ... not technology, they can if they want. again its about Iraq and as stated, Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom and war on terror. I hope we get some AFBs on iranian side such as Dezful, Bushehr and Hamadan but I highly doubt it. 
 

Edited January 11, 2024 by Raviar

[Minsky]

On 1/7/2024 at 8:06 PM, SteelPig said:

My wish for the scope of iraq map.

 

Knowing ED (good quality, poor scope), this seems like a more plausible outcome:

[draconus]

Here's my speculation with 2 phase plan. Colored areas are HQ terrain. The rest of the map is LQ.

Why? It includes most important places:

• central and east-south Iraq (incl. Baghdad, Basra)
• Kuwait
• Bushehr, Dezful (and the rest of west Iran)
• US and other bases around Riyadh (SA), Bahrain, Qatar
• north-west part of Persian Gulf for the Navy

[Silver_Dragon]

39 minutes ago, Raviar said:

part of Zagros is in Iraq and it can be west of iran but without any details, in PG there is not any detail once you move to the north from Lar. the Shiraz and Kerman added in last phase and the focus was Hormouz Straight. Same with Sinai and Syria Not all parts of the map are implemented with high detail.

By "2024 and beyond"...

Has some new Turkish units on the video, I think the North Irak, East Syria and more coming with the map. Bagdad Airport.

I think that has Iraq.


If ED like recreate War-on-Terror and War on Isis on the initial release, you need all Iraq / Syria frontier to Deir ez-Zor on the east. Taking acount Zargos mountain has confirmed, my initial zone and explansions to math with Irak Liberty and Gulf War will be them:

 

Edited January 11, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[Raviar]

I would expect something like this , but ofcourse the more the better. This is already twice the size of Syria map. It's huge!

Edited January 11, 2024 by Raviar

[VirusAM]

3 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said:

By "2024 and beyond"...

I think that has Iraq.
 

This is Bagram (Afghanistan Map)..source: Wags in the latest podcast episode with Mover, Gonky and Wombat: 
 

 

look at 1 hour mark

3 hours ago, draconus said:

Here's my speculation with 2 phase plan. Colored areas are HQ terrain. The rest of the map is LQ.

Why? It includes most important places:

• central and east-south Iraq (incl. Baghdad, Basra)
• Kuwait
• Bushehr, Dezful (and the rest of west Iran)
• US and other bases around Riyadh (SA), Bahrain, Qatar
• north-west part of Persian Gulf for the Navy

THat would live Zagros mountains out

[Silver_Dragon]

2 minutes ago, VirusAM said:

This is Bagram (Afghanistan Map)..source: Wags in the latest podcast episode with Mover, Gonky and Wombat: 
 

 

look at 1 hour mark

ohhhh....

[draconus]

2 hours ago, VirusAM said:

This is Bagram (Afghanistan Map)..source: Wags in the latest podcast episode with Mover, Gonky and Wombat: 
 

 

look at 1 hour mark

THat would live Zagros mountains out

They are there in Iran.

[VirusAM]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

They are there in Iran.

yeah But it is in another map location

 

[draconus]

1 hour ago, VirusAM said:

yeah But it is in another map location

What do you mean? Look at the Zagros Mountains area:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ecoregion_PA0446.svg

They are there on my choice maps too.

Edited January 11, 2024 by draconus

[durka-durka]

7 hours ago, VirusAM said:

This is Bagram (Afghanistan Map)..source: Wags in the latest podcast episode with Mover, Gonky and Wombat: 
 

 

look at 1 hour mark

THat would live Zagros mountains out

Oh geeze, he must be mistaken, because I'm looking at Google Earth at the moment and it's clearly Baghdad Intl.  

Small potatoes.

Edited January 11, 2024 by durka-durka

[draconus]

 

[BarTzi]

On 1/11/2024 at 12:12 AM, SteelPig said:

Probably I should. The big question is: Will ED make a map where you can't really use an aircraft carrier?

Yes, they already made the NTTR, and are planning to make Afghanistan. Not all maps have to have large bodies of water, and even in my suggestion, you will still have a small part of the Persian Gulf which will allow carriers to be placed.

Edited January 12, 2024 by BarTzi

[Northstar98]

On 1/7/2024 at 5:06 PM, SteelPig said:

My wish for the scope of iraq map.



Yepp, it looks pretty large at first. But with roughly 2,7 million square kilometers it's smaller than South Atlantic map ( 3.1 million square kilometers) and some time ago ED said, it's not the pure size of a map whats holding back in first place anymore, but the amount of assets. And at this point I just hope the mentioned upgrades of the development kit could allow such a map. 

This would honestly be a dream come true for this theatre - you've got just about everywhere needed for Gulf War and Iran-Iraq War missions.

[SteelPig]

24 minutes ago, BarTzi said:

Yes, they already made the NTTR, and are planning to make Afghanistan. Not all maps have to have large bodies of water, and even in my suggestion, you will still have a small part of the Persian Gulf which will allow carriers to be placed.

 

As I said before: When NTTR was made, Carrier Ops wasn't a thing in DCS. Now it is,and it would be a questionable decision to build a map where you can't do propper carrier ops given the fact how many players use these modules. 

[BarTzi]

21 minutes ago, SteelPig said:

As I said before: When NTTR was made, Carrier Ops wasn't a thing in DCS. Now it is,and it would be a questionable decision to build a map where you can't do propper carrier ops given the fact how many players use these modules. 

And yet, Afghanistan is in development. I don't think anyone would voluntarily fly over 500nm to the AO in a video game, so it won't have sea.

Edited January 12, 2024 by BarTzi

[SteelPig]

4 minutes ago, BarTzi said:

And yet, Afghanistan is in development. I don't think anyone would voluntarily fly over 500nm to the AO in a video game, so it won't have sea.

 

Why not? Wouldn't be the first time for us. 

[draconus]

15 minutes ago, SteelPig said:

As I said before: When NTTR was made, Carrier Ops wasn't a thing in DCS. Now it is,and it would be a questionable decision to build a map where you can't do propper carrier ops given the fact how many players use these modules. 

There's plenty of maps (including 2 free ones) where you can use the carrier. There's no hard requirement for any map to include the sea (this would be unnecessary limitation) and also DLC maps are optional if you don't like the fact that you can't do carrier ops there. But obviously Iraq map will have to include some part of the Persian Gulf.

[Silver_Dragon]

6 minutes ago, draconus said:

There's plenty of maps (including 2 free ones) where you can use the carrier. There's no hard requirement for any map to include the sea (this would be unnecessary limitation) and also DLC maps are optional if you don't like the fact that you can't do carrier ops there. But obviously Iraq map will have to include some part of the Persian Gulf.

I dont expected them on a initial release, has more plausible on the expansion.

[SteelPig]

9 minutes ago, draconus said:

There's plenty of maps (including 2 free ones) where you can use the carrier. There's no hard requirement for any map to include the sea (this would be unnecessary limitation) and also DLC maps are optional if you don't like the fact that you can't do carrier ops there. But obviously Iraq map will have to include some part of the Persian Gulf.

Right, there isn't a hard requirement. I never said there is one. But who wants to exlude this customers? There is a reason why there are so many maps with enough water for carrier ops. 

[Exorcet]

3 hours ago, BarTzi said:

And yet, Afghanistan is in development. I don't think anyone would voluntarily fly over 500nm to the AO in a video game, so it won't have sea.

 

This is why I fly the Persian Gulf map more than any other, so not every mission is the same old 5 minute flight to the front lines on a tiny map. If we could add airbases to maps, I'd be flying even further.

 

  

3 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

This would honestly be a dream come true for this theatre - you've got just about everywhere needed for Gulf War and Iran-Iraq War missions.

I really want the waters south of Saudi Arabia included as well, but with them being so far from the Gulf, I can understand if it's not feasible.

Edited January 12, 2024 by Exorcet

[Sandman1330]

Look at Caucuses though. The detailed map is a very small percentage of the actual map. I think both Iraq and Afghanistan could easily include water for carrier ops in low detail. This would require minimal effort and resource (both dev and PC), while providing those who want realistic carrier ops and transit times to have it.

Imagine putting a carrier on the far western side of the caucuses map! It totally can be done.