DCS survey (result)

[Hiob]

9 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

I just got it and I find it very hard to get used to. Old dogs, new tricks, and all that.

In the very beginning I got nausea from TrackIR. Much the same I got initially from VR. But that blows over soon. And I probably spent a couple of weeks with tweaking the curves and sensitivity until it clicked (with some additional tweaking now and then for some month). I never touched it since though.

Borrowing an existing profile as a basis (I think I got the one from spudknocker back then) made all the difference for me back then.

Another important step was to actually bind the "pause" function next to the recenter on my hotas. That helps tremendously when setting up the cockpit.

Edited April 10, 2024 by Hiob

[nessuno0505]

What surprises me most is the vast majority of players likes A-G over A-A, but then prefers f/a-18 and f-16 over a-10. The taste for new stuff?

[Beirut]

1 hour ago, nessuno0505 said:

What surprises me most is the vast majority of players likes A-G over A-A, but then prefers f/a-18 and f-16 over a-10. The taste for new stuff?

 

Speed, height, distance. Even with A2G those are beautiful things. (But still love me some A-10)

 

And those funky long range A2G weapons and radar targeting, you get your Space Shuttle of Death jive going on. 

 

 

[Ala13_ManOWar]

4 hours ago, nessuno0505 said:

What surprises me most is the vast majority of players likes A-G over A-A, but then prefers f/a-18 and f-16 over a-10. The taste for new stuff?

Hornet's perfect though, one can tell how it was designed from start as a true multi-role aircraft, and it's great on A/G aside from holding itself good enough in A/A. No surprise many people uses it like it was meant to be .

Edited April 10, 2024 by Ala13_ManOWar

[tribbin]

I can't imagine ever flying without VR.

Are there people who have flown VR and stopped? 

[draconus]

1 hour ago, tribbin said:

Are there people who have flown VR and stopped?

Yes, there are. Not me though. Remember the poll - it was like 10% VR users that went back to 2D for different reasons.

[rfxcasey]

6 hours ago, tribbin said:

I can't imagine ever flying without VR.

Are there people who have flown VR and stopped? 

Yup, many. Nothing beats the convenience, ease of use and clarity of 2D. VR is great for driving sims and simpler flying like WWI/WWII/General aviation stuff but its definitely not the end all be all.

And people that say this always sound like they are asserting it must be all one or the other. I fly VR sometimes for the experience and fun, but most of the time I'm 2D personally. It is actually possible to go back and forth between the two ya know.

Edited April 13, 2024 by rfxcasey

[diego999]

6 hours ago, tribbin said:

I can't imagine ever flying without VR.

Are there people who have flown VR and stopped? 

 

Initial setup is a pain that can extend for weeks where you don't fly, just load -> test something -> exit -> change a setting -> rinse and repeat. Some people can't get pass that.

Or it might be they try and just didn't like it, which is totally fine

[rfxcasey]

3 minutes ago, diego999 said:

 

Initial setup is a pain that can extend for weeks where you don't fly, just load -> test something -> exit -> change a setting -> rinse and repeat. Some people can't get pass that.

Or it might be they try and just didn't like it, which is totally fine

Yeah, got to love folks that just can't believe anyone would have a different opinion then theirs, bless their hearts, like theirs is the only one that matters.

Edited April 13, 2024 by rfxcasey

[Qcumber]

I only started playing DCS because of VR. I have tried 2d with head tracking but it's not for me. I have had the VR bug since I switched to it in Elite Dangerous 5 years ago. No going back. If I had started playing DCS in 2d I might have a different view.

I recognise VR is not for everyone. It takes a lot more time to set up and optimise.

Spudknocker's survey suggests about 30% of people use VR. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of headsets and preferences etc. 

 

 

[Bearskin]

I couldn't go back to flat screen in DCS after flying in VR, but it is a different story with driving sims, I recently bought Forza motorsport, and after playing it, I am now 40/60 using VR or flat screen on all my driving sims. I think it has to do with buying a bigger curved monitor.  Before I couldn't sit in the drivers seat looking through the windscreen with the smaller monitors I have used in the past, I had to do the bonnet cam. Now though with the bigger curved monitor, I can sit in the drivers seat and still have pretty good awareness and vision, and the graphics are amazing using a monitor, ACC I have only every played in VR and it isn't the best looking sim in VR, but I started playing it on my monitor after getting Forza and it looks amazing.  I never thought I would play any of my sims non VR ever again, but a bigger monitor certainly changed my mind.

[Lixma 06]

This age spread is encouraging.

I didn't expect such a large proportion of under 30s - figured they were all playing Warthunder.

[YoYo]

21 hours ago, Lixma 06 said:

I didn't expect such a large proportion of under 30s - figured they were all playing Warthunder.

 

LOL .

[Hiob]

On 4/13/2024 at 2:09 PM, tribbin said:

I can't imagine ever flying without VR.

Are there people who have flown VR and stopped? 

Yes, here!

 

On 4/13/2024 at 8:39 PM, rfxcasey said:

Yup, many. Nothing beats the convenience, ease of use and clarity of 2D. VR is great for driving sims and simpler flying like WWI/WWII/General aviation stuff but its definitely not the end all be all.

And people that say this always sound like they are asserting it must be all one or the other. I fly VR sometimes for the experience and fun, but most of the time I'm 2D personally. It is actually possible to go back and forth between the two ya know.

 

Couldn't have put it any better.

[buceador]

On 4/13/2024 at 2:09 PM, tribbin said:

Are there people who have flown VR and stopped?

Yes!  I did! Problems with DCS and VR, the forums were (and still are to some extent) full of associated VR problems but also getting hot and stuffy, problems associated with finding keyboard bindings and last but not least the lack of clarity of cockpit display, I moved to trackIr and have never regretted it.

[rfxcasey]

On 4/14/2024 at 8:53 AM, Bearskin said:

I couldn't go back to flat screen in DCS after flying in VR, but it is a different story with driving sims, I recently bought Forza motorsport, and after playing it, I am now 40/60 using VR or flat screen on all my driving sims. I think it has to do with buying a bigger curved monitor.  Before I couldn't sit in the drivers seat looking through the windscreen with the smaller monitors I have used in the past, I had to do the bonnet cam. Now though with the bigger curved monitor, I can sit in the drivers seat and still have pretty good awareness and vision, and the graphics are amazing using a monitor, ACC I have only every played in VR and it isn't the best looking sim in VR, but I started playing it on my monitor after getting Forza and it looks amazing.  I never thought I would play any of my sims non VR ever again, but a bigger monitor certainly changed my mind.

Yes, if you're coming from a 16:9 monitor I can see VR having even more WOW factor. I'm flying at 3440x1440 on a 34 inch curved ultrawide and it makes a huge difference when comparing 2D to VR. I can max out my settings, including view distance, and still average over 100FPS all day long, the experience is silky smooth. With VR I have to make compromises to get anywhere close to the same performance, though I use a Reverb G2 V2 and imagine the foveated rendering of some newer VR headsets might negate performance loss a bit.

Edited April 21, 2024 by rfxcasey

[Alicatt]

On 4/13/2024 at 2:09 PM, tribbin said:

I can't imagine ever flying without VR.

Are there people who have flown VR and stopped? 

For about 30 seconds, gave me severe disorientation as I could not get the lenses to line up with my eyes and could not get the images from the two lenses to merge into one image.

I have had eye surgery 3 times and it is as close as they can get but still my eyesight is not perfectly aligned. ( this is one of the reasons I really dislike (only stronger) the F-14 cockpit and it's f-ked up graphics.)

Track IR I have been using since the late 1990s and now on the Track IR 5 pro, it works well for me.

Was walking through Glasgow last week with the wife and seen the Oculus 3 in a second hand shop (pawnshop) for a bargain price, teased the wife about getting it and got a definitive NO from her  

[nessuno0505]

Il 13/4/2024 at 22:24, Qcumber ha scritto:

I only started playing DCS because of VR. I have tried 2d with head tracking but it's not for me. I have had the VR bug since I switched to it in Elite Dangerous 5 years ago. No going back. If I had started playing DCS in 2d I might have a different view.

Same for me. I've been back to flight simulation after many years thanks to VR, a few years ago with Rift CV1. I thought flight simulation was a dead genre that have had its glory back in the 90s, but VR have made me change my mind. It was then that I discovered DCS and I've started to play in VR from the beginning. Since Rift CV1 and a GTX 1070 I've been through Rift S, Reverb G2 and now Quest 3 with a RTX 3080ti. Quality is vastly improved, performance can be adjusted. Now I have a 3440x1440 monitor on which I play other types of game (RPGs mainly), but I can't even think about flying in 2D. I've tried, but I'm not flying, I'm watching a flat cockpit through a tiny window (even a ultrawide screen is tiny if you want to fly). When I play DCS (or other flight simulators) I want mainly to fly, and there's no flying outside VR IMHO. On a flat screen I loose interest, I prefer to play RPGs.

Edited April 17, 2024 by nessuno0505

[draconus]

1 hour ago, nessuno0505 said:

On a flat screen I loose interest, I prefer to play RPGs.

I'm not playing anything on monitor. Even RPG I do in VR (Skyrim lately). Would you suggest G2 as a good step up from RiftS?

[NAM]

36 minutes ago, draconus said:

I'm not playing anything on monitor. Even RPG I do in VR (Skyrim lately). Would you suggest G2 as a good step up from RiftS?

At present, I have three headset Pimax 8kx/Pico4 and G2...

G2 is still my daily driver.

It is a very good all round headset.. better than 8kx/pico4 in term of colour, clarity within sweet spot.

If you have short eye lash, get a thin custom gasket.. so you can get close to the lens.

Will increase in my case 20% FOV.. get rid of the looking like toilet roll effect.

 

[nessuno0505]

G2 is still a very good headset. My biggest upgrade in VR has been from Rift S to G2. I've changed it for a Quest 3 since its connection cable has broken. A new cable was 100 €, but given WMR will be deprecated in future win11 upgrades, I've changed. Screen quality in Quest 3 is very close to G2 and the pancake lenses are better (no tiny sweetspot as in G2), so I do not regret the change, but to be honest I miss the display port connection and not having to care about battery charge.

[Radsr30]

6 hours ago, draconus said:

I'm not playing anything on monitor. Even RPG I do in VR (Skyrim lately). Would you suggest G2 as a good step up from RiftS?

You might want to take a look at the new Pimax Crystal Lite. Reasonably priced and very good reviews so far.

[Bearskin]

On 4/16/2024 at 4:03 PM, rfxcasey said:

Yes, if you're coming from a 16:9 monitor I can see VR having even more WOW factor. I'm flying at 3440x1440 on a 34 inch curved ultrawide and it makes a huge difference when comparing 2D to VR. I can max out my settings, including view distance, and still average over 100FPS all day long, the experience is silky smooth. With VR I have to make compromises to get anywhere close to the same performance, though I use a Reverb G2 V2 and imaging the foveated rendering of some newer VR headsets might negate performance loss a bit.

 

Yes I had a 27 inch 144 Hz illyama which was great but limited in sims, I got a rift 1 about 2017 and a Pico 4 on day 1. The bigger monitor I have now, a Samsung g7 240 Hz 32 inch has made a massive difference, but I still fly DCS in VR, it still brings a smile to my face when I look out over the wing of my Spitfire, or look over at the racks of GBU 12's loaded onto my A-10. Before I got the rift, I brought down my 46 inch 1080p TV from the bedroom and DCS looked amazing on it so I was ready to pull the trigger on a bigger monitor, but I saw an advert for a rift for £350 from Argos which seemed a steal compared to the prices of the bigger monitors back then. 

[freehand]

I have gone back to my favourite the G1 super light comfy cost next to nothing not far off a g2 and easier to drive I had 3 in the past just love it. 

[rfxcasey]

Just a heads up if it hasn't already been mentioned but it appears Microsoft will be discontinuing Windows Mixed Reality (if they haven't already, haven't checked) potentially putting the future use of your Mixed Reality Headset, e.g. Reverb G2, in jeopardy. My hope is there will be a work around that doesn't require not updating your Windows 11 or going back to Windows 10. I haven't done any serious digging on the subject but the hype suggests prospects aren't good. If Windows 11 does "brick" your Reverb G2 and other WMR headsets, it wouldn't surprise me if some lawsuits weren't filed, if at all possible under current law, consumer protection or otherwise.

Edited April 18, 2024 by rfxcasey