MiG29A camo\skins

[Apok]

Do we know what camo\skins will be available for this new module?

[Gierasimov]

For sure the usual - past and current operators that are within DCS and make sense in DCS. Plus a ton of official / non-official ones from the community and possibly a screenshot contest to include community works in the core of the module. 

[VanekK30]

Please add this livery!)
This is the color with the emblem of the 116th Training Center for the Application of Fighter Aviation of the Russian Federation (Privolzhsky airfield)
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[Vampyre]

From the trailer it looks like all they have now are Polish and Russian skins. Will there be any other Warpac or Middle Eastern liveries?

 

 

[EricJ]

I think the community will come up with some. I know I have a couple in mind, a RuAF one I did for the previous FC bird, and a couple fictional versions too.

[aaronwhite]

10 minutes ago, Vampyre said:

From the trailer it looks like all they have now are Polish and Russian skins. Will there be any other Warpac or Middle Eastern liveries?

 

 

I didn't see any IRIAF ones, but I'd be shocked if they didn't have some made. And if not, I'll be firing up Photoshop as soon as the templates drop. 

[ienatom]

On 5/21/2024 at 5:52 PM, Gierasimov said:

For sure the usual - past and current operators that are within DCS and make sense in DCS. Plus a ton of official / non-official ones from the community and possibly a screenshot contest to include community works in the core of the module. 

Hopefully the module won't be encrypted like the F-5 or they will provide the appropriate ModelViewer tools to be able to create liveries... Right now it's impossible to make liveries on newer models unfortunately (I mean, it's possible but it takes 20 times the normal amount of time a livery would, making it not worth it)

[Mach3DS]

15 hours ago, ienatom said:

Hopefully the module won't be encrypted like the F-5 or they will provide the appropriate ModelViewer tools to be able to create liveries... Right now it's impossible to make liveries on newer models unfortunately (I mean, it's possible but it takes 20 times the normal amount of time a livery would, making it not worth it)

I got so carried away, I didn't even think of that!  Hopefully we don't have a repeat of the F-5 and being unable to create high quality liveries in a reasonable amount of time and actually can view/edit core textures to make fully custom liveries at the highest quality level possible for the community! 

It looks phenomenal.  Very excited about it.  Hopefully we can paint it.  It's kind of depressing to think about if it does turn out like the F-5.  Finally have the first FF Redfor aircraft and it's the classic I've been waiting for since I saw the discovery wings episode decades ago.  My fingers are crossed that it won't be.  It would be a real shame.  

Edited Saturday at 09:24 AM by Mach3DS

[EricJ]

Well I hope that doesn't happen as it would be a shame that's for sure.

[Wyvern]

cant wait for it to be encrypted!
If it is, I personally wont buy it

I dont see a point of buying a plane i cant make liveries for.

On 5/21/2024 at 3:52 PM, Gierasimov said:

Plus a ton of official / non-official ones from the community and possibly a screenshot contest to include community works in the core of the module. 

not if ED does the same stuff they did with the F-5 and encrypts all the textures and the EDM

[aaronwhite]

1 hour ago, ienatom said:

Hopefully the module won't be encrypted like the F-5 or they will provide the appropriate ModelViewer tools to be able to create liveries... Right now it's impossible to make liveries on newer models unfortunately (I mean, it's possible but it takes 20 times the normal amount of time a livery would, making it not worth it)

That's a good point I hadn't thought of that will definitely affect my purchase. If ED wants to encrypt everything, that's fine, but it would be nice if there was either an update to Model Viewer before that became the norm, so skinners can still do work. It would also be cool if they would embrace something like Substance Painter and create a plugin that would allow us to use that program to load the files and textures and just eliminate the need to load and re-load the model in the model viewer entirely. 

[Awacs_bandog]

Like others said, Im not holding my breath on it if we're getting another F-5E Remaster, a pretty plane that is nigh impossible to skin because someone decided to punish the community instead of accepting reality of the situation.

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

17 hours ago, EricJ said:

I think the community will come up with some.

Not if it's encrypted like the F-5E. Well, you might get some simple, run of the mill skins but not any good quality ones since all of the experienced / talented skinners will refuse to touch it. However, I did pre-purchase it as a gesture of support for ED and am crossing my fingers for a good outcome for the Livery community. Waiting to hear what @BIGNEWY and @NineLine have to say about it.

[2IAE-CrashBG]

As long as it's not like the F-5, got the full Bulgarian Air Force line up ready and waiting along with some classic liveries from the Cold War.

[EricJ]

7 hours ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

Not if it's encrypted like the F-5E. Well, you might get some simple, run of the mill skins but not any good quality ones since all of the experienced / talented skinners will refuse to touch it. However, I did pre-purchase it as a gesture of support for ED and am crossing my fingers for a good outcome for the Livery community. Waiting to hear what @BIGNEWY and @NineLine have to say about it.

Yeah I skinned the F-5 for somebody years ago, and I think it was before they encrypted the models, so I did the work and moved on, and took a break due to not enough hard drive space., Now that I got a better laptop with more space, I can get back into it now, so that's good. As for the Mig-29 agreed, it'd be a real shame if they didn't encrypt it though, as I'd like to mess with it myself.

[Tvrdi]

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[draconus]

16 hours ago, Tvrdi said:

This livery has wrongly rotated roundel on the right wing.

[aaronwhite]

On 5/17/2025 at 9:58 AM, EricJ said:

Yeah I skinned the F-5 for somebody years ago, and I think it was before they encrypted the models, so I did the work and moved on, and took a break due to not enough hard drive space., Now that I got a better laptop with more space, I can get back into it now, so that's good. As for the Mig-29 agreed, it'd be a real shame if they didn't encrypt it though, as I'd like to mess with it myself.

My history on here probably shows as much, but I love throwing together fun skins for the various modules we get. Especially since it's impossible for ED or the various third parties to conceivably cover all of the different liveries out there (not that our hard drives would want them to anyway) and it's really a lot of fun, even if it turns into hours of frustration trying to line up two pixels on the weird wing joins of the F-14 to get a stupid line right.

I'm really hoping if the models are going to be archived going forward, which I understand the point of from ED's perspective, that they are going to at least update the model viewer before that become the norm, so we can at least continue working.

Even on my relatively beefy computer, having to run multiple high resolution templates in Photoshop with the potentially hundreds of layers on each one, while opening DCS and having to load a mission just to go "Oh, no, that line is still 3 pixels too far off" is really time consuming and frustrating, to the point of being enough to kill my enjoyment and make me not want to do it at all. 

I've thrown together skins for the F-14, MiG-21, Mi-24 and the Ka-50, and I would love to have the MiG-29 added to the list with all of the great variety we would have doing some of the IRIAF skins and the really interesting weathering you can see on current Syrian Air Force examples. But if it become a chore, I just don't see myself putting in the time.

23 hours ago, Tvrdi said:

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That video really is full of them. This looks damn near like a real life photo, which would have been hard to even imagine back when I was playing Flanker 2.5 or the original Lock On back in high school. I thought the graphics back then were mind blowing. I still remember seeing the DCS update about the new Mi-24 model and textures back in Lock On and having my mind blown that the tires actually looked bulged from the weight of the thing. null

[Rudel_chw]

On 5/16/2025 at 1:32 PM, ienatom said:

Hopefully the module won't be encrypted like the F-5 or they will provide the appropriate ModelViewer tools to be able to create liveries... Right now it's impossible to make liveries on newer models unfortunately

 

Not only affects skinning, it also makes impossible for me to edit training missions for it, since the Model viewer can't load the encrypted cockpit shape to inspect the animation arguments of the cockpit controls. The F-5E remaster was a sad experience and so, from now on, I will not purchase any DCS aircraft that has the same limitations.

[EricJ]

1 hour ago, aaronwhite said:

My history on here probably shows as much, but I love throwing together fun skins for the various modules we get. Especially since it's impossible for ED or the various third parties to conceivably cover all of the different liveries out there (not that our hard drives would want them to anyway) and it's really a lot of fun, even if it turns into hours of frustration trying to line up two pixels on the weird wing joins of the F-14 to get a stupid line right.

I'm really hoping if the models are going to be archived going forward, which I understand the point of from ED's perspective, that they are going to at least update the model viewer before that become the norm, so we can at least continue working.

Even on my relatively beefy computer, having to run multiple high resolution templates in Photoshop with the potentially hundreds of layers on each one, while opening DCS and having to load a mission just to go "Oh, no, that line is still 3 pixels too far off" is really time consuming and frustrating, to the point of being enough to kill my enjoyment and make me not want to do it at all. 

I've thrown together skins for the F-14, MiG-21, Mi-24 and the Ka-50, and I would love to have the MiG-29 added to the list with all of the great variety we would have doing some of the IRIAF skins and the really interesting weathering you can see on current Syrian Air Force examples. But if it become a chore, I just don't see myself putting in the time.

That video really is full of them. This looks damn near like a real life photo, which would have been hard to even imagine back when I was playing Flanker 2.5 or the original Lock On back in high school. I thought the graphics back then were mind blowing. I still remember seeing the DCS update about the new Mi-24 model and textures back in Lock On and having my mind blown that the tires actually looked bulged from the weight of the thing. null

 

I've done a few skins too and I mean is it a loss if the new MIG-29A is encrypted? In the long run no, but I'll be like "WTF?" and so on, so there's that. Overall I can't effect how it's handled, but I do hope they don't encrypt it, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot content-wise, given the amount of skins on the User Files in the first place. I mean that's a new model, new textures, new template, hopefully at least.

[aaronwhite]

2 hours ago, EricJ said:

I've done a few skins too and I mean is it a loss if the new MIG-29A is encrypted? In the long run no, but I'll be like "WTF?" and so on, so there's that. Overall I can't effect how it's handled, but I do hope they don't encrypt it, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot content-wise, given the amount of skins on the User Files in the first place. I mean that's a new model, new textures, new template, hopefully at least.

I definitely understand why ED wants to encrypt things, and I don't think the encryption itself is bad or anything. It makes it easier for ED to protect their products and prevent them from being snatched up and used in other games or anything like that. 

I just really hope making the model viewer work with the encrypted files is a priority as well. I can't remember if I mentioned it here or in another thread, but I would love if there was a way to use a tool like Substance Painter too. I imagine that could help speed the painting process up by a ton, assuming it works the way I imagine it does. Unfortunately, since I don't have a way to really use it with DCS or Il-2's models, I've never had an excuse to really get it and try it out for skin creation. But if I could just paint on the actual 3D model and not have to play the "Let's line up this straight line that's rendered slightly differently between these two different texture files" ever again, I certainly wouldn't be mad about it.

[EricJ]

37 minutes ago, aaronwhite said:

I definitely understand why ED wants to encrypt things, and I don't think the encryption itself is bad or anything. It makes it easier for ED to protect their products and prevent them from being snatched up and used in other games or anything like that. 

I just really hope making the model viewer work with the encrypted files is a priority as well. I can't remember if I mentioned it here or in another thread, but I would love if there was a way to use a tool like Substance Painter too. I imagine that could help speed the painting process up by a ton, assuming it works the way I imagine it does. Unfortunately, since I don't have a way to really use it with DCS or Il-2's models, I've never had an excuse to really get it and try it out for skin creation. But if I could just paint on the actual 3D model and not have to play the "Let's line up this straight line that's rendered slightly differently between these two different texture files" ever again, I certainly wouldn't be mad about it.

Substance Painter (I used Deeppaint with another simulator though, but that was like 2004 or 5 after Iraq, or before..) is a good program to use for skins, but I still stick with the ModelViewer workflow, which I'm sure everybody else does, it would save a lot of time ane work. Anyway if they modify ModelViewer to read encrypted files and allow for texture work, then they can protect their content whilst allowing for more content (skins at least) to be created, and it will allow them to keep their privacy and other legal issues, so I agree with you on that. Whether or not they do that remains to be seen of course, but it wouldn't be a bad idea and we all win too.

Edited Monday at 07:45 PM by EricJ

[golani79]

Substance painter isnt working with DCS modules cause you would need them as fbx or obj and afaik you only have access to the files as .edm?

[EricJ]

Pretty much, so unless (which I doubt they would), they would do such a thing, or come up with a plugin (if that's possible) for .edm, so they'd have to figure that out. I mean a program that they come up with would of course work, but I'm sure they're a bit busy as it is.

[Flаnker]

В 16.05.2025 в 16:17, Vampyre сказал:

From the trailer it looks like all they have now are Polish and Russian skins. Will there be any other Warpac or Middle Eastern liveries?

Most likely, the 3D model is not finished so that it would be possible to draw skins...