What did I think of Kiowa? It needs to improve in some areas!

[Robi Hobby]

Guys, we've all said our Opinion about the Kiowa. Now it's Time for a break and to stop getting upset. It's not good for your Health.

Let's let Polychop do their job and see how it turns out.

[MAXsenna]

Guys, we've all said our Opinion about the Kiowa. Now it's Time for a break and to stop getting upset. It's not good for your Health.
Let's let Polychop do their job and see how it turns out.

Cheers!

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[RealDCSpilot]

For production quality, another topic is audio:

 

Echo 19 just announced they started working on a real Bell 407 for audio recordings. Where i get question marks floating over my head is how this will end up. Do we need to install a mod to get those (obviously) better sounds? Or will they be integrated in the module? For DCS modules, developers usually already provide the whole finished audio production on release. The effort for sound production was made during production phase, not after release. And it's logically included in the price i've paid.

[MasaMan]

2 hours ago, RealDCSpilot said:

For production quality, another topic is audio:

 

Echo 19 just announced they started working on a real Bell 407 for audio recordings. Where i get question marks floating over my head is how this will end up. Do we need to install a mod to get those (obviously) better sounds? Or will they be integrated in the module? For DCS modules, developers usually already provide the whole finished audio production on release. The effort for sound production was made during production phase, not after release. And it's logically included in the price i've paid.

At least I, and we, can say without hesitation that Echo 19 does superb job when it comes to sounds. I never flew DCS without Echo19's mods after they released the first bundle.

So I'm sure it will be awesome and hopefully it will be integrated directly to the module for convenience.

Edited September 6, 2024 by MasaMan

[Mistermann]

6 hours ago, MasaMan said:

At least I, and we, can say without hesitation that Echo 19 does superb job when it comes to sounds. I never flew DCS without Echo19's mods after they released the first bundle.

So I'm sure it will be awesome and hopefully it will be integrated directly to the module for convenience.

Agree on Echo19's quality.  He's done some really good work and I am glad he's been asked to produce the Kiowa sound update.  Even if its not part of the base product, his work is pretty easy to manage and maintain (especially if you use a tool like OvGME).  Plus, his work, at least so far, comes with a volunteer license fee.  Pay what you feel its worth.

[ThorBrasil]

14 hours ago, RealDCSpilot said:

For production quality, another topic is audio:

 

Echo 19 just announced they started working on a real Bell 407 for audio recordings. Where i get question marks floating over my head is how this will end up. Do we need to install a mod to get those (obviously) better sounds? Or will they be integrated in the module? For DCS modules, developers usually already provide the whole finished audio production on release. The effort for sound production was made during production phase, not after release. And it's logically included in the price i've paid.

I've never seen the Echo 19 product, but I'm sure it should be integrated into the module in a future update.

On 8/30/2024 at 6:10 PM, NeedzWD40 said:

 

I am impressed with the huge difference in a texture done correctly.

 

[=475FG= Dawger]

This wonderful thread inspired me to spend the money and take the plunge on the Kiowa. 
 

I am not much of a rotorhead, preferring PvP WVR above all.

I do own the Huey and Hip but rarely fly them. 
 

After 6 hours in the Kiowa, I will say it’s excellent.

I fly in VR so I don’t give a  about eye candy especially crew faces. 

Flying is fun. The potential for teamwork with this machine is exciting and the AI pilot is completely competent, terse and mature. I wish I could transition the guy to fixed wing. 

Only bugginess I noticed is long distance MMS video is sometimes blanked in portions. 

Money well spent, in my opinion. 

[Esac_mirmidon]

Shhhh, dont tell anybody you like the Kiowa.........

PD. Have fun ¡¡

Edited September 6, 2024 by Esac_mirmidon

[ThorBrasil]

1 hour ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

This wonderful thread inspired me to spend the money and take the plunge on the Kiowa. 
 

I am not much of a rotorhead, preferring PvP WVR above all.

I do own the Huey and Hip but rarely fly them. 
 

After 6 hours in the Kiowa, I will say it’s excellent.

I fly in VR so I don’t give a  about eye candy especially crew faces. 

Flying is fun. The potential for teamwork with this machine is exciting and the AI pilot is completely competent, terse and mature. I wish I could transition the guy to fixed wing. 

Only bugginess I noticed is long distance MMS video is sometimes blanked in portions. 

Money well spent, in my opinion. 

I didn't see anyone saying that it's boring, but rather talking about the problems with sound, 3D, textures and physics. For those who fly in VR, graphics don't matter because most of the VR community flies with reduced graphics to have high FPS rates.

[=475FG= Dawger]

1 hour ago, ThorBrasil said:

I didn't see anyone saying that it's boring, but rather talking about the problems with sound, 3D, textures and physics. For those who fly in VR, graphics don't matter because most of the VR community flies with reduced graphics to have high FPS rates.

Sound. I built my own seat shaker and fly with tunes cranked. I don’t fly in servers that allow external views. Sounds are fine. 
 

3D. Cockpit looks fine to me. 
 

Textures. Its VR

Physics. I don’t recall anything in these 22 pages except something about full fuel and 4 boomsticks. Overgross doesn’t mean always impossible. It means always bad idea but you might get away with it. Been there, done that. 
 

Seems to fly like a helo and the acknowledged SME gave it a thumbs up. 

I did have a wild incident switching off the AI Pilot while he was following the route that resulted in a snap roll. Definitely ranked in the impossible category so there is that. 
 

 

[ThorBrasil]

18 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

Sound. I built my own seat shaker and fly with tunes cranked. I don’t fly in servers that allow external views. Sounds are fine. 
 

3D. Cockpit looks fine to me. 
 

Textures. Its VR

Physics. I don’t recall anything in these 22 pages except something about full fuel and 4 boomsticks. Overgross doesn’t mean always impossible. It means always bad idea but you might get away with it. Been there, done that. 
 

Seems to fly like a helo and the acknowledged SME gave it a thumbs up. 

I did have a wild incident switching off the AI Pilot while he was following the route that resulted in a snap roll. Definitely ranked in the impossible category so there is that. 
 

 

I'm glad you liked it! Have a good flight!!!

[AirSenpai]

On 6/5/2024 at 5:10 PM, ThorBrasil said:

Yes! Before purchasing the module I had no sound. Only after purchasing the module did the sound appear in the IA.

It also had no sound for me and i bought it. It was a bug that the devs  have fixed.

[ThorBrasil]

I hope that the Polychop team will add this level of detail when redoing the 3D and textures of the Kiowa. It would be fantastic to see something at this level! Currently only the Apache and the Ka-50 v3 have this, I think. I really like the Kiowa and I want to see it at this level of detail. I'm sure that Polychop is capable of doing something at this level, even with their small team.

 

[=475FG= Dawger]

1 hour ago, ThorBrasil said:

I hope that the Polychop team will add this level of detail when redoing the 3D and textures of the Kiowa. It would be fantastic to see something at this level! Currently only the Apache and the Ka-50 v3 have this, I think. I really like the Kiowa and I want to see it at this level of detail. I'm sure that Polychop is capable of doing something at this level, even with their small team.

 

Seems like you would be happier building scale models instead playing this game. 

[Raisuli]

On 9/5/2024 at 5:46 AM, MAXsenna said:

And here I thought lawyers could never be silenced. Hope to see you back some day @wombat778 Been around the Internet and flightsim discussions since -95, nothings changed really, when you put stubborn knowledgeable people together. Can even remember the inception of SimHQ, which seems to not exist anymore. Bummer.

Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
 

I love listening to stubborn knowledgeable people argue; it's scary the kinds of things you can learn (for example, more than you ever realized there was to know about wiring harnesses in F-16 wings and the difference between motors on AIM-54s and redonkulous bits about avionics and engines and...). 

It's the other kind of stubborn that gets old very quickly!

The only things keeping me from this module is the price tag and the reality that I can't fly the six or eight helos I already have worth a darn.  Precision landings are possible only if we use the WWII definition of 'precision'; landing relatively close to the same map on which we took off...

Otherwise from what I gather this has the same problems as every other brand new mod.  Since the knowledgeable people have given this their seal of approval if there is ever a sale its fate is sealed; flaming wreckage and touch-down about thirty kilometers away from my approach target.

[BIGNEWY]

Folks if this thread is going to derail we can close it, please stay on topic, please remember to be nice to each other including the dev team when giving feedback. 

thank you 

[Hiob]

36 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

I love listening to stubborn knowledgeable people argue; it's scary the kinds of things you can learn (for example, more than you ever realized there was to know about wiring harnesses in F-16 wings and the difference between motors on AIM-54s and redonkulous bits about avionics and engines and...). 

It's the other kind of stubborn that gets old very quickly!

The only things keeping me from this module is the price tag and the reality that I can't fly the six or eight helos I already have worth a darn.  Precision landings are possible only if we use the WWII definition of 'precision'; landing relatively close to the same map on which we took off...

Otherwise from what I gather this has the same problems as every other brand new mod.  Since the knowledgeable people have given this their seal of approval if there is ever a sale its fate is sealed; flaming wreckage and touch-down about thirty kilometers away from my approach target.

It‘s a fun helo for sure. I‘d say the FM is en par with the average of all the other helos in DCS. Some aspects perhaps make it bit easier to fly. What really sets it apart for me is the way they enabled single players to properly(!) work a multicrew aircraft. The AI „co-pilot“ is just so great for this purpose.

Wether the visuals are good or not or important lays in the eye of the beholder. 
 

If you have a soft spot for helicopters, I won’t skip this one.

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Raisuli said:

I love listening to stubborn knowledgeable people argue; it's scary the kinds of things you can learn

You speak the truth! 

Now, what do I like about the Kiowa that has not been mentioned. Just like the Gazelle, it brings me back to the mid/late 80s where we could do multiplayer on a single computer, just in a much better way. Back in the days I would pilot that fictional Stealth Fighter with the Gods Eye SA, and my buddy would take care of the counter measures, (at the exact correct time), wepaons an navigation.

How today? Well, even if my system is showing its age, I have to possibility to run multiple screens and exports. I have yet to get further into the Kiowa, and set them up the best way. But the excitement of my girlfriend when she plinks tanks in the the Gazelle with a beer in the other hand. Life is as good as its gets when your make the most out of it. I'm sure PC listens and will make the Kiowa even better. 

Cheers! 

[Raisuli]

1 hour ago, Hiob said:

If you have a soft spot for helicopters, I won’t skip this one.

After so many crashes my head is more soft than not.  The Kiowa is a sure thing, I'm just holding out.  Good news is while I'm in holdout mode I can casually fly a CH-47 into a tree for no other reason than I dipped the nose without adding power and for petty technical reasons it lost altitude 

That or the tree grew really fast.  I should submit an unsubstantiated bug, because given a choice between incompetence and software errors the software loses every time.

8 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

But the excitement of my girlfriend when she plinks tanks in the the Gazelle with a beer in the other hand. Life is as good as its gets when your make the most out of it. I'm sure PC listens and will make the Kiowa even better.

Wait, your girlfriend plinks tanks from a Gazelle while enjoying an adult beverage?  Where did you find this mythical creature?  Does she have a sister?  My wife just rolls her eyes when I pretend to fly in my seriously over the top, OCD-inspired, wanna-be pilot contraption!  Of course my wife was probably born a little farther southeast than your girlfriend...maybe that's it...

[ThorBrasil]

3 hours ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

Seems like you would be happier building scale models instead playing this game. 

It's true! I fly admiring the 3D details and textures when I'm not in combat. I've gone back to flying the Mi24 because of this and have put the Kiowa aside until further updates. I hope the Kiowa gets the same love that the Mi24, Ka50v3, Apache and Chinook have received. Polychop is capable of making a 3D model and textures on par with modern modules, but only time will tell if that will happen.

[MAXsenna]

54 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

Wait, your girlfriend plinks tanks from a Gazelle while enjoying an adult beverage?  Where did you find this mythical creature?

We're Vikings. Descendent from the brother of this guy named Thunder Shield.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tordenskjold?wprov=sfla1

57 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

Does she have a sister? 

Found herself a Swede. Her ancestors roll in their graves.

59 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

Of course my wife was probably born a little farther southeast than your girlfriend...maybe that's it...

Now, I'd did have partner from Manila that would beat the <profanity> out of me in any FPS related...

On topic. Have your friends, siblings, parents, (my mum couldn't believe her eyes when I flew past their house in that other sim), partners or whatever have a go, and they might be smitten.  

[Raisuli]

3 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

We're Vikings. Descendent from the brother of this guy named Thunder Shield.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tordenskjold?wprov=sfla1

Found herself a Swede. Her ancestors roll in their graves.

Now, I'd did have partner from Manila that would beat the <profanity> out of me in any FPS related...

On topic. Have your friends, siblings, parents, (my mum couldn't believe her eyes when I flew past their house in that other sim), partners or whatever have a go, and they might be smitten.  

Manilla.  Always remember the smell, and some things I discovered reading a series of articles in the Chicago Tribune years later about places I went while there...  Tough place to grow up, in general, and that your partner only beat the <pixels> out of you is a good thing.  I've met descendants of Vikings, and I've met young ladies who've more recently survived the PI. 

Much as I am loathe to return to the topic at hand (before BN sharpens his claws) I have not seen very much about updates to the Kiowa, which makes me wonder if/where/when PC plans to visit some of the more colorful complaints embedded in the 21 pages of this topic.  Granted there are only about five things in those 21 pages to look at, but they seem worthy of attention.  The S:N ratio here is about average, unfortunately.

I did notice, and expected, it would be excluded from the sale.

 

[MAXsenna]

16 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

Manilla.  Always remember the smell,

South East Asia!

16 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

Much as I am loathe to return to the topic at hand (before BN sharpens his claws) I have not seen very much about updates to the Kiowa, which makes me wonder if/where/when PC plans to visit some of the more colorful complaints embedded in the 21 pages of this topic.  Granted there are only about five things in those 21 pages to look at, but they seem worthy of attention.  The S:N ratio here is about average, unfortunately

There have been posted answers from the devs in the forum and screenshots of lists from the Discord. Seems updates will take some time. Because they want to do it right. Which is fair. 

18 minutes ago, Raisuli said:

I did notice, and expected, it would be excluded from the sale.

I've never seen a module go on a sale in less than a year, which makes totally sense, and would be a flick of the finger for early adapters.

Read somewhere that Bell won't let them participate in sales nor free to fly. If that makes any sense.  

[ThorBrasil]

Very sad that there is nothing for Kiowa in this update.

[YoYo]

There will be some DCS patch today . I wonder if there will be anything about Kiowa.