Copprhead Posted June 28 Posted June 28 (edited) The Iconic Talon Veco Simulations is happy to announce our first public community mod for DCS World: the T-38A Talon. The T-38A Talon is a two-seat supersonic jet trainer powered by two J85 turbojet engines. Entering service in 1961, it was the world's first jet trainer to exceed Mach 1. This revolutionised pilot training with its high performance, endurance, and safety. Extensively used by the U.S. Air Force and other NATO allies, it has trained more than 72,000 pilots since its inception. Even today, over 65 years after its first flight, the T-38 remains a key part of NATO fighter pilot training for many nations. The T-38A will be released as a free standalone full-fidelity community mod with a clickable multi-crew cockpit, highly-detailed 3D model and textures, custom-built external flight model (EFM) and stand-alone avionics. 3D Model The creation of the 3D model began with a simple external design and evolved into a year-and-a-half-long project fueled by precision and dedication to capturing the iconic shape of the T-38A. Our focus on VR optimization and accuracy led us to extensively overhaul the external model and revise the cockpit design three times since 2022, ensuring every detail meets our high standards. Extensive research was crucial in this journey. We gathered hundreds of high-resolution photos, both first-hand and second-hand, of the T-38A and its T-38M counterpart. Using photogrammetry, we meticulously captured the most complex shapes, ensuring no detail was overlooked. To bring the model to life, we are utilizing PBR textures and have hand-painted hundreds of bolts, ensuring an accurate and vibrant representation of the aircraft. This attention to detail not only enhances the realism of the model but also adds a dynamic and immersive quality that makes the aircraft feel truly alive. We have a skilled team of well-known 2d artists and livery creators - Roughmaster, Wolfthrower, Crash, Aqil, and Fistick - dedicated to crafting a diverse range of liveries for the initial release. These liveries represent various operators throughout the aircraft's extensive operational history. Each livery is detailed with unique weathering effects specifically crafted by Roughmaster to reflect the wear and tear experienced by these aircraft over time. Furthermore, we are developing templates with multiple levels of wear-and-tear to include in the livery painting kit. This will allow the community to select their preferred starting point when creating their own liveries, providing flexibility and creative freedom for everyone. External Flight Model (EFM) Development of the EFM started in 2022 and it is responsible for the simulation of the flight dynamic model, engine model and aircraft systems. The flight dynamics of the T-38A are defined by over 25 stability and control derivatives, considering non-linear effects of angle of attack and Mach. The coefficients were derived from wind tunnel tests, empirical estimations and CFD analysis - and subsequently verified against U.S. Air Force flight tests. It features accurate stall characteristics, yaw and pitch dampers, and authentic flight control deflection limits and is continuously refined through extensive flight testing by the Virtual Turkish Stars. The J85 engine simulation uses an analytical model based on a NASA design, providing detailed engine parameters influenced by environmental conditions, with features like afterburner, cold start, and compressor stall accurately represented. The system model employs a "divide and conquer" approach, simulating each component independently, covering electric, fuel, and hydraulic systems on a near-study level, ensuring an honest representation of the aircraft's operational procedures. Standalone Avionic The T-38A features a classic steam gauge cockpit and is fully equipped for instrument flight training. Community mods for DCS typically have limitations regarding the avionic capabilities, as they don't have access to the Software Development Kit (SDK) that is used by 3rd party developers. However, we have carefully chosen an authentic 1970s avionic configuration that allows us to fully implement every functionality, without the need to own any other module and - equally important - without sacrificing our self-imposed level of fidelity. This configuration includes: A fully functional UHF radio for radio communication with ATC and even other players via voice chat. Intercom for communication between the pilot in the front seat and the instructor in the back seat via voice chat. TACAN for range and bearing information to ground beacons, taking into account distance and line-of-sight limitations. ILS for vertical and horizontal guidance during instrument approach, including marker beacon. A mechanical Flight Director System provides the steering cues to follow the desired flight path. Our vision is to provide an unforgettable experience that truly represents what it's like to be in the seats of the T-38A Talon, creating a digital representation that goes beyond what you see on the screen. This project represents a culmination of extensive research, meticulous craftsmanship, and a deep appreciation for the historical significance of this iconic trainer. We invite you to join our journey and experience the T-38A Talon in unparalleled detail. To stay updated on our progress, participate in discussions, and connect with fellow enthusiasts, join our Discord server: https://discord.gg/GfwnDEr62s Edited June 30 by Copprhead 25 10
Kalasnkova74 Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Looking forward to this one. Will the module include aggressor color schemes such as this TOPGUN T-38: …and 4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron T-38A : 2
Copprhead Posted June 28 Author Posted June 28 6 minutes ago, Kalasnkova74 said: Looking forward to this one. Will the module include aggressor color schemes such as this TOPGUN T-38: …and 4477th Test and Evaluation Squadron T-38A : There is no final list for the default liveries yet, but we will release paint kit with templates so I'm sure the community will create them eventually. 3 1
Esac_mirmidon Posted June 28 Posted June 28 (edited) I know is not even the same model but will consider making some Spanish EdA skins for the Talon? Edited June 28 by Esac_mirmidon " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
G.J.S Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Gorgeous little Northrops 1 - - - The only real mystery in life is just why kamikaze pilots wore helmets? - - -
Rudel_chw Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Looking forward to flying this bird next year ... will start to gather training-syllabus documentation to create realistic missions for it Cheers! 5 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Kirk66 Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Awesome - with steam gauges - perfect trainer for the F-4E. All we need now is a Tweet, and a T-bird to go with the F-86. Vulture 3
Copprhead Posted June 28 Author Posted June 28 3 hours ago, Esac_mirmidon said: I know is not even the same model but will consider making some Spanish EdA skins for the Talon? There are a lot of interesting and unique T-38 liveries to cover, so fictional liveries will not have priority. 1 2
LordOrion Posted June 28 Posted June 28 This is an excellent news, thank you guys! Eager to put my hands on the throttle and stick of this bird. 2 RDF 3rd Fighter Squadron - "Black Knights": "Ar Cavajere Nero nun je devi cacà er cazzo!" My Blog (Italian): Notti a (Video)Giocare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CPU: i7-11700K@5GHz|GPU: RTX-4070 Super|RAM: 64GB DDR4@3200MHz|SSD: 970EVO Plus + 2x 980 PRO|HOTAS Warthog|TrackIR 5|
t_hedlund Posted June 29 Posted June 29 That looks amazing, can't wait to put it thru its paces. www.tomhedlund.com Modules: A-10C, A-10CII. F-16, AV8B, F-5E, F-14, F/A-18C, P-51, BF-109, F-86, FC3, Ka-50, UH-1H, Mig-15, Mig-21, YAK-52, L-39. Maps: NTTR, PG, Normandy. Syria... Others: Super Carrier, WWII Asset Pack
CarloVecchi Posted June 29 Posted June 29 vor 21 Stunden schrieb Copprhead: Holy crab, that looks stunning! Can´t wait...
Tango Lima Posted June 29 Posted June 29 (edited) Cool, T-38A for my Test Pilot School Edited June 29 by Tango Lima 1
t_hedlund Posted June 29 Posted June 29 Please note that I'm not trying to rush the release or start any great internet debate, I have watched the video several times and to my untrained eye, it looks ready to go. Is there any anticipated release date? Thank you for all your hard work, it looks like an amazing addition to the DCS ecosystem. www.tomhedlund.com Modules: A-10C, A-10CII. F-16, AV8B, F-5E, F-14, F/A-18C, P-51, BF-109, F-86, FC3, Ka-50, UH-1H, Mig-15, Mig-21, YAK-52, L-39. Maps: NTTR, PG, Normandy. Syria... Others: Super Carrier, WWII Asset Pack
Rudel_chw Posted June 29 Posted June 29 12 minutes ago, t_hedlund said: I have watched the video several times and to my untrained eye, it looks ready to go. Note that there are no scenes from inside the cockpit and the faq tells that the Flight Model is still being made .. so, the aircraft may be ready to be flown on a flight display, but most likely its navigation and communications systems still need work. Better left the developers work at their own pace, I will gladly fly it whenever the developers release it. 1 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Volator Posted June 29 Posted June 29 Fantastic, highly anticipated! Hoping for 1970s to 1980s Sheppard AFB skins to come with it: 3 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven
Slippa Posted June 29 Posted June 29 Oh hello, someone's been busy . Nice surprise, look forward to it. 1
Copprhead Posted June 29 Author Posted June 29 1 hour ago, Volator said: Fantastic, highly anticipated! Hoping for 1970s to 1980s Sheppard AFB skins to come with it: Yes, we're still looking for more references if you have any. 1
t_hedlund Posted June 29 Posted June 29 1 hour ago, Rudel_chw said: Note that there are no scenes from inside the cockpit and the faq tells that the Flight Model is still being made .. so, the aircraft may be ready to be flown on a flight display, but most likely its navigation and communications systems still need work. Better left the developers work at their own pace, I will gladly fly it whenever the developers release it. Oh, Thanks for pointing out the FAQ, I didn't see it. I 100% agree, no rush, I will log the hours in it whenever it is ready. 1 www.tomhedlund.com Modules: A-10C, A-10CII. F-16, AV8B, F-5E, F-14, F/A-18C, P-51, BF-109, F-86, FC3, Ka-50, UH-1H, Mig-15, Mig-21, YAK-52, L-39. Maps: NTTR, PG, Normandy. Syria... Others: Super Carrier, WWII Asset Pack
Volator Posted June 29 Posted June 29 48 minutes ago, Copprhead said: Yes, we're still looking for more references if you have any. Sorry, I just can provide what Google gives me, hope it helps you in any way. Maybe @MiGCap1 has some good shots of Cold War Sheppard birds? 1 1 1./JG71 "Richthofen" - Seven Eleven
YoYo Posted June 30 Posted June 30 What does it mean Module, not mod in this situation? It will be part of free DCS World like F-51 and Su-25T? Notice that Veco istn 3th parties developer as well, so ED will take this model and will give it as free module in official way? 1 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
MiGCap1 Posted June 30 Posted June 30 20 hours ago, Volator said: Sorry, I just can provide what Google gives me, hope it helps you in any way. Maybe @MiGCap1 has some good shots of Cold War Sheppard birds? I have flown a photo mission with a T-38A in „white beauty“ paint scheme back in 1997 at Sheppard. But that was the time of analog slide photography and I had only one or two motives digitalized. Must look into my archive later in the evening. 2 2 http://www.instagram.com/spetersen13/?fbclid=IwAR07OCbRZX6qISe0fS8iUQfzts_iazbm7UEsxiKNnqviADGTaRWJJN7iAws http://www.facebook.com/spetersen13/
Copprhead Posted June 30 Author Posted June 30 3 hours ago, MiGCap1 said: I have flown a photo mission with a T-38A in „white beauty“ paint scheme back in 1997 at Sheppard. But that was the time of analog slide photography and I had only one or two motives digitalized. Must look into my archive later in the evening. Would be an honor to create include the livery if you can provide some reference pictures 2
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