reported Canopy Glass is Flickering During Head/Zoom Movement

[razo+r]

The external part of the glass is flickering.

Edited December 26, 2021 by razo+r

[NineLine]

Can you supply a track please?

[razo+r]

15 hours ago, NineLine said:

Can you supply a track please?

flickering.trk

Here you go

[Magic Zach]

There appears to be some sort of visibility bug with the interior canopy glass material FW_190_GLASS_INT.  All textures, to include the diffuse, and the roughmet and probably the glass ('14' in the description.lua) will flicker in visibility when head or zoom movement occurs.

Here is a video, after I gave each material's diffuse texture a color (seen in the quotations in the description.lua at the end).
If you remove the diffuse texture (set it to empty) so you only show the the glass texture ('14') for FW_190_PLEXGLASS_extr, it flickers with its parent material FW_190_GLASS_INT as well.

This does not appear to be due to the interior and exterior planes being positionally coincididal (overlapping), as you can still make out the two if you move the camera inside the glass pane.
The glass hue texture (14), which is used on both inside and outside materials:


The FW_190_GLASS_INT in red, and the FW_190_PLEXGLASS_extr in blue.  Both are visibly separated between inside and outside materials:


While I'm using the ModelViewer here since I have more control, there's been folks reporting it occuring during gameplay.

Edited August 8 by Magic Zach
Updated media

[APOC_V]

Yeah it's bad in VR too. Makes it look like you're going through layers of cloud, the glass is fogging up or that you're smoking. Really distracting. 

[kablamoman]

Would be great if they could take a look at this and really clean it up, as they've done such a great job otherwise.

[Nirvi]

Hoping for a quick fix, it's almost impossible to fly in VR with the flickering. 

[Magic Zach]

The links to the videos and pics I had died.  Apparently Discord has this thing where media on the platform will only make links that expire after 24hrs.  Fixed it with Youtube and embeded photos.

[slickdevel]

Flickering still after todays update.

[Nirvi]

+1

[Tea-Pig]

I have the flickery canopy thing too. Also the canopy reflections are too strong and don't respond to the setup menu slider. Nice to see the A8 getting some updates though.

[oCMANo]

Yeah I also have this issue with the current version.  Doesn't seem to be a issue in any other planes atm, that I can find though.

[Nirvi]

Additionally to the flickering reflections, the glass is also way darker than before. When flying in early morning/late afternoon conditions, you can hardly see anythint, it's so dark.

[peachmonkey]

hi, @NineLine

is this something you can add to the list of issues, possible? 

The flickering inside the cockpit, it seems to come from the canopy itself. It ranges in intensity from very light and barely perceptible flickering to very pronounced. The range is tied to the configured resolution/shadows, cpu utilization (as well);  I'm experiencing it in VR (varjo aero), however it's happening on the monitors as well.

 

[Michal]

Confirm, flickering is present on flat monitor too.

[Magic Zach]

Updated OP again, to fix the photos.  Underlined text is linked to videos

[peachmonkey]

hi, @NineLine

can you please acknowledge that this bug has been reported? 

The upgraded cockpit is great, but it seems there's some bug with shaders that results in flickering on the sides of the cockpit. You can fire up A8 and fly for 5 mins, do some head panning to left and right and you'll notice it right away.

[peachmonkey]

The flickering is still present with the new update. However, I think, possibly, there's a little bit less of it. 

It also depends on the altitude, it seems. If I'm on deck and close to the ground the flickering is minimal, however up high (2-3k) it becomes more pronounced...

[Michal]

It's the same in my case (Anton on the ground, Lonrai airfield, Project Overlord server.) Right side of canopy flickers like crazy.

[Doughguy]

If folks dont realize what others mean.
That arent reflections... the glass is murky... you cannot see at all.
The front panels turn opaque basically.
And my reflection slider is set to zero..

Even the front canopy look like sandblasted...

It is not the case with the allied or other axis planes.

That atm only leaves the k4 as a "valid" option for axis players..

@BIGNEWY @NineLine

Edited August 11 by Doughguy

[Michal]

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[Tea-Pig]

Is anyone from ED actually reading this thread or are we customers just whining amongst ourselves? While I absolutely appreciate the upgraded cockpit and think it's great that old modules aren't left to fade away, once again we see a plane rendered close to unusable by a well-intentioned update. It's Mosquito undercarriage syndrome again. Someone at ED needs to type the phrase "quality control" into Google and find out what it means.

This situation is made worse by the apparent total lack of any official response. Does ED agree there's a problem? Are they fixing it? Are they even aware of it? The silence is as deafening as the guns in my Anton which are very, very silent because I can't see anything to shoot at.

An official response please? Pretty please? @BIGNEWY

[Turbonix]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Tea-Pig:

Is anyone from ED actually reading this thread or are we customers just whining amongst ourselves? While I absolutely appreciate the upgraded cockpit and think it's great that old modules aren't left to fade away, once again we see a plane rendered close to unusable by a well-intentioned update. It's Mosquito undercarriage syndrome again. Someone at ED needs to type the phrase "quality control" into Google and find out what it means.

This situation is made worse by the apparent total lack of any official response. Does ED agree there's a problem? Are they fixing it? Are they even aware of it? The silence is as deafening as the guns in my Anton which are very, very silent because I can't see anything to shoot at.

An official response please? Pretty please? @BIGNEWY

+100!

 

[Turbonix]

Because of this "inconvenience" i have made a negative reviev on steam for the Anton and as long as this game breaking bug persists, i will not change it to the better..

Cheers ED!

I will repost my reviev here in hope that this thread will at least be noticed:

 

quote:

first of all, I really (want to) love the DCS FW190 A-8
It is stable in flight and to aim with, it has the best armament of all DCS WWII planes and it can really take a punch and still get back home!

But:
i´m disappointed with its current state.

-four weeks ago with the new DCS2.9 update the FW190 A-8 got a new and very cool looking cockpit texture facelift, but they messed up the canopy glass. It is now flickering like hell when you move your head to look around inside. This is VERY annoying and distracting, almost to the point that it is not flyable, especially in VR.
The problem still persists even after the second DCS2.9 update this weekend.
And we even don´t get any acknowledgement of this problem by an ED official admin in the official ED forum regarding to this.
Thats just really bad customer service

-And additionally, what makes me really sad about this beloved plane, even five (!) years after release, in DCS its engine is still underpowered and limited to 1.42 ata (manifold pressure), because it has no MW50 injection system which orginally was able to boost it up to 1.65ata.
In reallife the whole development of the A-8 series was based around the implemtentation of this particular engine boost system. Just have a look at the german Wikipedia entry and translate it with google. Unfotunately the english Wiki doesn´t mention the A-8´s MW50 system at all..
Pretty bad when you are chased by ultra late war P51´s P47´s and Spitfires..

looking at you ED!
make the Anton great again!
plz

will send a link to the reviev once its online, so that you guys may leave a comment to get some attention to this 

Edited August 13 by Turbonix

[Michal]

A8 doesn't even need mw50. It was just easy field mod that allowed 1.58/1.65ATA for 10min. There also should be option to remove outer wings. And of course ED promised R variant...