The end of Single Thread | CH-47F Pilot Models | DCS for Disabilities

[waterman]

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Edited September 9, 2024 by waterman

[BIGNEWY]

 

We are working on some performance issues after the last patch which are not related to multithreading, hopefully you will see improvement in the next patch. 

8 minutes ago, waterman said:

I have to use MT with the mission editor for my trains as the maps dont show in ST then i have reboot DCS to use ST so i can see the wheels and valve gear animating !!!

Cool Hey !

There are some bugs still with MT version which we are also working on, but as mentioned ST DCS has come to its end and will be removed. We continue to focus on fixing any issues that are reported with MT DCS. 

thank you 

[waterman]

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Edited September 9, 2024 by waterman

[SharpeXB]

22 minutes ago, BobCee123 said:

I don't need to be buying third party software such as process lasso, and messing about with various settings outside of the DCS UI to tell my processor which cores to use

Yeah I can’t imagine why this would be necessary. It’s better to report problems to ED and let them fix it or give you a recommendation rather than try to do it on your own. 

[BIGNEWY]

3 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Yeah I can’t imagine why this would be necessary. It’s better to report problems to ED and let them fix it or give you a recommendation rather than try to do it on your own. 

correct best to report issues, process lasso can create more problems in some cases

thanks

[Hiob]

I know for some folks feel uncomfortable about it, but when on a desktop system, I would really encourage people to disable the power service.

This process is responsible for all things related to power savings. Including such things as putting hdds or monitors in suspense mode.

The issue with this process is two-fold. First of all, when you're interested in ultimate unrestrictive performance, you don't want any of your PCs features to go to sleep.

Almost more important than this is, that this process is notorious for flushing the system with interrupts which can lead to (micro-) stuttering.

Last but not least, the service can be easily disabled and re-enabled again. Though enabling really only makes sense if you are concerned with power saving.

 

[MAXsenna]

I understand the settings will remain largely, if not exactly, the same. What I mean is that I only want to be worrying about the same settings which affect performance in ST - cloud detail, view distance, level of detail, display resolution etc etc.
I don't need to be buying third party software such as process lasso, and messing about with various settings outside of the DCS UI to tell my processor which cores to use, or manually editing config files etc. This, for me, will be a showstopper and I'll find another sim if that's what we are expected to keep on doing to use DCS at satisfactory performance levels.
That being said, I trust ED have this in hand and I'll give them my trust to provide us with a MT version of DCS which performs well, hopefully even better than my current ST experience.

Yes, I understand. Was just telling you that ST and MT use the same Saved Games folder. (Game settings).
I understand that many users just want the game to work without tinkering with their computer. I, on the other hand, am an IT System Admin and don't mind issues. I just want to know how to fix them.

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[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Hiob said:

I know for some folks feel uncomfortable about it, but when on a desktop system, I would really encourage people to disable the power service.

This process is responsible for all things related to power savings. Including such things as putting hdds or monitors in suspense mode.

The issue with this process is two-fold. First of all, when you're interested in ultimate unrestrictive performance, you don't want any of your PCs features to go to sleep.

Almost more important than this is, that this process is notorious for flushing the system with interrupts which can lead to (micro-) stuttering.

Last but not least, the service can be easily disabled and re-enabled again. Though enabling really only makes sense if you are concerned with power saving.

 

Isn’t this what Windows Power Plan does?

[Hiob]

53 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Isn’t this what Windows Power Plan does?

those are related, yes. But I can't tell with certainty if the powerplans influence additional things on top. Only thing I can tell wholeheartedly is, that I'm yet to notice any adverse effects by disabling the power service. (apart from the obvious of course)

Actually, scrap that. By disabling the power service, you disable the powerplans for good. you basically set everything free. Problem is that, even set to high power settings, the service still makes frequent system calls/interrupts.

A nice tool to see the latency hogs on your system is LatencyMon btw.

Edited September 9, 2024 by Hiob

[Rogue Trooper]

I moved to MT at release and never looked back, fantastic performance increase for me. Goodbye single thread.

Looking forward to the CH-47 Pilots!

On my DCS only computer there is only full power set, no sleep modes, no low power modes..... just full power and no complications.

Edited September 9, 2024 by Rogue Trooper

[schurem]

5 hours ago, Hiob said:

I know for some folks feel uncomfortable about it, but when on a desktop system, I would really encourage people to disable the power service.

This process is responsible for all things related to power savings. Including such things as putting hdds or monitors in suspense mode.

The issue with this process is two-fold. First of all, when you're interested in ultimate unrestrictive performance, you don't want any of your PCs features to go to sleep.

Almost more important than this is, that this process is notorious for flushing the system with interrupts which can lead to (micro-) stuttering.

Last but not least, the service can be easily disabled and re-enabled again. Though enabling really only makes sense if you are concerned with power saving.

 

I just gave this a go. Box is mostly dedicated to running DCS so yeah. 

 

I'm gobsmacked. It makes quite a difference. Loading times too.

 

Any other bits of windows I should turn off?

Edited September 9, 2024 by schurem

[MAXsenna]

I just gave this a go. Box is mostly dedicated to running DCS so yeah. 
 
I'm gobsmacked. It makes quite a difference. Loading times too.
 
Any other bits of windows I should turn off?

Exclude the DCS folders in your Anti-Virus solution. You've probably done that already.

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[Hiob]

14 minutes ago, schurem said:

I just gave this a go. Box is mostly dedicated to running DCS so yeah. 

 

I'm gobsmacked. It makes quite a difference. Loading times too.

 

Any other bits of windows I should turn off?

 

Deactivate your realtime AV protection while playing or at least except all related folders from scanning. If you haven’t already.

Damnit, slow again…. 

17 minutes ago, schurem said:

 Loading times too.

 

I‘m not sure this is from the power settings. Maybe, dunno.

[Hiob]

19 minutes ago, schurem said:

 

Any other bits of windows I should turn off?

Everything you don’t need. The fewer processes running, the better. Every third party app you don’t positively need. (Most won‘t have much or any impact, but keeping it tidy certainly does no harm).

Check your autostart folder and task scheduler as well.

[MAXsenna]

Everything you don’t need. The fewer processes running, the better. Every third party app you don’t positively need. (Most won‘t have much or any impact, but keeping it tidy certainly does no harm).

Yeah! Get Windows debloater on Github. That takes gets you ahead, right?

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[MAXsenna]

@schurem

https://www.itpro.com/operating-systems/26138/windows-10-services-to-disable-how-to-speed-up-windows-10

[Hiob]

9 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Yeah! Get Windows debloater on Github. That takes gets you ahead, right?

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I didn‘t use this specific tool and don’t know about it, but something similar had helped me to trim windows down.

My windows has <99 processes running after startup and settling to idle. I‘ll bet that most people have easily double that. More processes don’t necessarily hurt performance noticeable, but every process is a potential stutter to happen, so I like to keep them down on the gaming machine.

Edited September 9, 2024 by Hiob

[MAXsenna]

I didn‘t use this specific tool and don’t know about it, but something similar had helped me to trim windows down.
My windows has <99 processes running after startup and settling to idle. I‘ll bet that most people have easily double that. More processes don’t necessarily hurt performance noticeable, but every process is a potential stutter to happen, so I like to keep them down on the gaming machine.

Check it out. I do recommend using it on a brand new install at first though.

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[Rogue Trooper]

Make sure each USB connection port is live constantly, never allow windows to control your USB ports power. Go through each one.

[Hiob]

5 minutes ago, Rogue Trooper said:

Make sure each USB connection port is live constantly, never allow windows to control your USB ports power. Go through each one.

Another benefit of killing the power service. That should take care of this.

[Bearskin]

I have been using the new Pico connect for my driving sims, as VD doesn't like F1 23 and it runs as good as VD and the colours are better, so I tried Pico connect with DCS world, the problem I am having is ST works in VR but looks shocking, and MT will not start in VR at all. The errors are msvcp140.dll missing, and usbhelper.exe. So is there something in ST that is not in MT ?.  Same with F1 22, works great with VD but F1 23 doesn't. 

Edited September 10, 2024 by Bearskin

[draconus]

8 minutes ago, Bearskin said:

The errors are msvcp140.dll missing

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/startup/#1490800

[Bearskin]

Thanks' draconus, I installed the file from the DCS folder but no joy,

 

I have to start a VR game in Steam to get SteamVR open, because Steam VR will not launch by itself anymore,  then the Steam VR box comes up and it says Steam VR isnt the current runtime, so I go into the open xr settings and try to change it from "current openxr runtime, Virtual Desktop bundled"  to "set Steam as openxr runtime" and that's when I get the "removeUSBhelper.exe system error", and the "VCRUNTIME140.dll was not found". Googled everything and there is loads of advice but nothing works, see what the next DCS update brings.

 

The reason I want to try pico connect is because in VD the game takes ages to load, and then ages to fill in textures in the module and then crashes when I press F10 for the map.

Please move this to the relevant forum if it is not suitable here.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

On 9/9/2024 at 4:19 PM, SharpeXB said:

Isn’t this what Windows Power Plan does?

I am running the Ultimate Performance power plan in Windows 11 (which is not available by default), but even then I have noticed windows updates messing with power settings without my consent (turning usb selective suspend back on for example).

Microsoft does some shady backdoor stuff with their updates.

Ideally I would configure Windows just the way I want it directly after installation and just leave it there, but it seems M$ wants to interfere with that - and tbh I no longer have the patience for hours of tinkering on a regular basis…

[Hiob]

5 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

I am running the Ultimate Performance power plan in Windows 11 (which is not available by default), but even then I have noticed windows updates messing with power settings without my consent (turning usb selective suspend back on for example).

Microsoft does some shady backdoor stuff with their updates.

Ideally I would configure Windows just the way I want it directly after installation and just leave it there, but it seems M$ wants to interfere with that - and tbh I no longer have the patience for hours of tinkering on a regular basis…

The ultimate power plan is even worse in regards to latency.

Per default (in all powerplans) the power service pushes IRQs every 15ms to monitor power requirements. There are ways to manually set this to 5000 ms (maximum) but it seriously way easier to simply turn this crap off.