F/A-18C & F-16C DTC Progress | Cold War Development Report | F-4E Red Flag 82-1 Campaign by Reflected

[westr]

Will this next update include the A10c pilot body? 

[Captain Orso]

8 hours ago, Raisuli said:

So was Heisenberg, which could mean there's no conclusive way to know if Frankfurt is there until we actually land, and there's no way to know whether the cat is alive or dead (I'm a cat person, so I'll be sad if it's dead even if my allergies will approve) until we open the box.

Schrödinger said, it isn't that we don't know whether Frankfurt is there or not, but that it is there and not at the same time, and becomes determinative only when tested. So I suggest NOT looking out the airplane window until after you are sitting comfortably in a Weinstüble, with a Bämbl. I can't suggest the Handkäse mit Musik, because to me that stuff is just nasty. You probably will not get your fill of Würschtsalat though - Prost!

8 hours ago, Raisuli said:

Worst case Germany is released about the time I leave.  I've been waiting for this, and Ugra is a bonus, since...forever.  Just need to get some area creep.

 

Can you imagine the reaction if they did a 1944-45 version, akin to the Marianas/WWII Marianas ED is working on?   It's a logical progression, but talk about WWII candy...particularly with Normandy v2

Given the WWII aircraft really lean toward late war it's even pretty easy to predict a time frame.

All in all great news.

I would love to see a WW2 version of the Germany map, but judging from the Marianas map, it will take about another 10 years to get that.. oh, and we still need to have the entire upper Rhein valley to cover Market-Garden, Battle of the Bulge, Hürtgenwald, Aachen, Cologne, the Rhur, and of course a major part of the Rhine River.

I'll probably be dead before all that comes to light.

[Raisuli]

3 hours ago, Captain Orso said:

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until after you are sitting comfortably in a Weinstüble, with a Bämbl. I can't suggest the Handkäse mit Musik, because to me that stuff is just nasty. You probably will not get your fill of Würschtsalat though - Prost!

Rotwein gives me a nasty Kopfschmerzen, as does dunkle chocolate, which really makes me wonder if life is worth living; those used to be at the bottom of the food pyramid. 

WWII is a pipe dream and people around here get too far into the 'next' thing before the current thing hits the shelves, so of course I contributed to that.

Being able to set up missions without having to stack 20 of the same aircraft on top of each other would be nice (DTC).  Being able to hide waypoints would be even nicer.  Sometimes it's hard to sort out the map with all the lines on it.  Need a quicker way to select individual aircraft (currently kind of clunky) and hide anything you don't need to see while creating that next package.  It's probably my fault for doing too much on one map.

Lots of dreams for the mission editor, but low expectations.

[Samumu708]

What I would also like with the data cartridge is the ability to set and show many more items on the sa page.

Frontlines, air corridors,no fly zones,points of interest,killbox boundaries, and many more.

Currently the sa page don't show alot.

 

[AacAac]

Will it be possible to share the DTC between other players on a multi player mission, within a flight as min but also potentially between any other player, who could then tweak it for themself before loading it into the aircraft ?

Edited April 13 by AacAac

[Weasel]

In case of the F/A-18 and with the implementation of DTC is there a new page comming on the DDI? 

[Goetsch]

good news, looking forward to the German Cold War maps 

and .... I am still waiting for the F16 AN/AAQ-33

[Captain Orso]

On 4/12/2025 at 3:30 PM, Raisuli said:

Rotwein gives me a nasty Kopfschmerzen, as does dunkle chocolate, which really makes me wonder if life is worth living; those used to be at the bottom of the food pyramid. 

If you drink enough, anything will give you Kopfschmerzen; I know, I've tried them all.

If you have really bad luck, the Barbara who you brought back from the Weinstuble, will also give you Kopfschmerzen, not just on the next day, but for weeks, and months, and years, afterward... *sigh* tried that too.

 

On 4/12/2025 at 3:30 PM, Raisuli said:

WWII is a pipe dream and people around here get too far into the 'next' thing before the current thing hits the shelves, so of course I contributed to that.

I wish ED had picked an era and theater, and just filled it. I'd not have suggested 1940 Battle of Britain, because that has already been do zu Vergasung. But Solomons 1942 would have been monumental. Zero vs Wildcat, Zero vs Corsair, Zero vs P-38, Vals, Kates, Bettys, Devastators, Avengers, Dauntless, Beaufighters, B-17Es, B-25s, A-20s, PBYs carriers, battleships, cruisers, destroyers, submarines, PT-boats, Japanese armed barges. Fighting at its grittiest, and when a one-sided conflict was still years away. Maybe I'll go play that new sim covering just exactly this era and theater, but whos-name-shall-not-be-mentioned...

On 4/12/2025 at 3:30 PM, Raisuli said:

Being able to set up missions without having to stack 20 of the same aircraft on top of each other would be nice (DTC).  Being able to hide waypoints would be even nicer.  Sometimes it's hard to sort out the map with all the lines on it.  Need a quicker way to select individual aircraft (currently kind of clunky) and hide anything you don't need to see while creating that next package.  It's probably my fault for doing too much on one map.

Lots of dreams for the mission editor, but low expectations.

I use the unit list; filter down and select individuals.

What I miss, is being able to have a flight (four AC) break it into two elements, each having it's own task. Currently only over two different units.

I'd also like to be able to change targets, or have primary and secondary. So if I'm attacking an airfield Flak is the first target, but after Flak is dead, ground units, like aircraft (high priority), other vehicles (next priority). Currently attacking Flak is a ground attack mission, while attacking vehicles on the ground is a different kind (I don't recall which), and you cannot change them during the mission.

[Steel Jaw]

K, when is this coming 

[Raisuli]

2 hours ago, Captain Orso said:

I wish ED had picked an era and theater, and just filled it. I'd not have suggested 1940 Battle of Britain, because that has already been do zu Vergasung. But Solomons 1942 would have been monumental. Zero vs Wildcat, Zero vs Corsair, Zero vs P-38, Vals, Kates, Bettys, Devastators, Avengers, Dauntless, Beaufighters, B-17Es, B-25s, A-20s, PBYs carriers, battleships, cruisers, destroyers, submarines, PT-boats, Japanese armed barges. Fighting at its grittiest, and when a one-sided conflict was still years away. Maybe I'll go play that new sim covering just exactly this era and theater, but whos-name-shall-not-be-mentioned...

You've just described 850 years of development in one sentence.  I'll take the F-4U and P-38, please!

Since BoB (as BoB) isn't doable I'll settle for BoB 1945.  Just like I'm probably going to do Cold War 2010.  Nothing says Germany had to reunify; I can always claim that chunk of concrete with yellow paint on my shelf was something else; Berlin has no shortage of graffiti to chose from.  Limiting Germany to 70s and 80s aircraft lacks imagination.

I played a round of golf with...little nobody me, a B-24 nose gunner, a guy who taught F-6F flat spin recovery, and a guy who got shot down five times in a P-38 (he was quite honest about being the 90% who distracted the enemy long enough for the 10% to shoot them down.  He also figured he had used up all his luck and didn't drive cars).  Tried to say as little as possible to get the other three talking; absolutely a highlight.  They're all gone now, playing golf where I can't hear the stories anymore I'm sure.

[draconus]

Guys, the wishlist is here:

https://forum.dcs.world/forum/1027-dcs-wish-list/

even then, be realistic - you can't have all units modeled, all at the same time live in a game, all in good quality and believable AI, all fitting on your disk - scope creep, unfeasibility and PC limitations.

For now you know the plans - F6F, F4U, A-1 and many others are in dev, PTO pack is cooking, Cold War just gets nice playground, Iraq and A-stan is growing.

[Steel Jaw]

On 4/14/2025 at 8:50 PM, Steel Jaw said:

K, when is this coming 

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[Raisuli]

52 minutes ago, Steel Jaw said:

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When it's ready. 

[YoYo]

Germany Today?

 

[Volator]

Possibly... fingers crossed.

[Bremspropeller]

...that would have us the map downloaded by Easter Sunday and leave monday for actually playing it

[Captain Orso]

On 4/15/2025 at 3:10 AM, Raisuli said:

You've just described 850 years of development in one sentence.  I'll take the F-4U and P-38, please!

That's the problem... or is it. After hearing for years how long it is taking to complete the P-47, because they didn't have the documentation, and now they are saying, for the F-35 they don't need documentation, for an AC that is far more complex and difficult to model, now I realize--at least from the stand-point of today--if ED wants to do something, they will. No excuses accepted.

On 4/15/2025 at 3:10 AM, Raisuli said:

Since BoB (as BoB) isn't doable I'll settle for BoB 1945.  Just like I'm probably going to do Cold War 2010.  Nothing says Germany had to reunify; I can always claim that chunk of concrete with yellow paint on my shelf was something else; Berlin has no shortage of graffiti to chose from.  Limiting Germany to 70s and 80s aircraft lacks imagination.

BoB loses all appeal to me, if it's not era-conform. The appeal is in flying the same way then did back then, because that was all that their aircraft could give them - also in encountering all those clunky airplanes they thought were good enough at the time and finding that they weren't.

On 4/15/2025 at 3:10 AM, Raisuli said:

I played a round of golf with...little nobody me, a B-24 nose gunner, a guy who taught F-6F flat spin recovery, and a guy who got shot down five times in a P-38 (he was quite honest about being the 90% who distracted the enemy long enough for the 10% to shoot them down.  He also figured he had used up all his luck and didn't drive cars).  Tried to say as little as possible to get the other three talking; absolutely a highlight.  They're all gone now, playing golf where I can't hear the stories anymore I'm sure.

Oh, man. To be a fly on the wall...

My father was in the Marines--crew chief for Corsairs, at first. After all his training he was put on Peleliu after they took the airfield, while they were still fighting in the mountains. About the biggest danger he was exposed to was that every day some big, fat artillery piece, in some cave, up the mountain, would pop out long enough to fire off a few rounds and then duck back into the depths of the cave. That was it, excitement over, and he never said anything about the rounds dropping anywhere near to where he was.

After that he was on the Philippines for a while, but the way he talked about it, it may have been long after all the fighting. He was also moved from being the crew chief for corsairs to C-46s--same double-wasp engines--but he never said why. Thinking about it today, I kind of think he got himself into some kind of trouble, and got pulled back to the backwaters of the war, to where he wouldn't be a problem. He had real issues with his temper, but I never thought much about it back when I was a kid, and later didn't think about asking him about it. Now it's too late.

[YoYo]

Patch tomorrow, so not Today. fingers crossed for Germany map. As you can see there will be no pre-order so it is possible that someone wants to surprise us before Easter ?

[Raisuli]

1 hour ago, Captain Orso said:

That's the problem... or is it. After hearing for years how long it is taking to complete the P-47, because they didn't have the documentation, and now they are saying, for the F-35 they don't need documentation, for an AC that is far more complex and difficult to model, now I realize--at least from the stand-point of today--if ED wants to do something, they will. No excuses accepted.

 

I'm starting to like the theory DCS is not ED's primary source of revenue.  I also go back to that long, rather interesting argument  where two 'experts' who have been there and done that couldn't agree on how aircraft are wired and realize imagination is a significant part of any module.  If ED wants to make an F-35 then good for them; I might even buy it.  None of the other airplanes around here are real, either.

Incidentally the real lesson listening to those experts is how amazingly reasonable they both were, and polite, and the thing they did agree on is no two aircraft are quite alike, and between squadrons the only similarity is the name.  I do recall watching a pair of VF-21 F-14As go overhead shortly after that squadron got their hands on them.  One had glove vanes, the other did not.  Consistency is for sissies.

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BoB loses all appeal to me, if it's not era-conform. The appeal is in flying the same way then did back then, because that was all that their aircraft could give them - also in encountering all those clunky airplanes they thought were good enough at the time and finding that they weren't.

I'm not that particular, or I just don't know the subject enough to let it bother me.  Evenly-ish matched aircraft are evenly-ish matched.

I got shot down by a 109 while in an F-18, climbing away at mach .85 passing 30,000.  Little prop job reeled me in and took an up-close shot from dead six.  I had no idea the 109 could out-perform a jet like that, but it was a lesson learned.  When I checked the tacview I realized he started to evade my SPAAMRAM the instant it came off the rail fifteen miles away, then proceeded to outrun me.  Against that kind of skill, and performance, I'm doing BoB in an F-16 and giving the Germans Christian Eagles.  As long as they don't have sidearms I have a chance.

It is a shame that Germany will be more "Red Flag" and less "Cold War", but that's the plane set we have to work with.  

Of course this is where demands are made to produce every aircraft that's ever been made in any country between 1946 and 2035 to full fidelity by tomorrow for 'realism'.  Realistically an I-16 in the hands of the AI will be able to handle anything I can do in an F-16. 

An La-7 would be overkill.

[YoYo]

I don't know how true it is (Disord rumors) but the map is supposed to be there and supposedly it will take up 200Gb in EA. We'll find out tomorrow. It would be a nice surprise before the holidays.

Check the new FAQ too:

 

Edited April 16 by YoYo

[Czar66]

19 hours ago, YoYo said:

We'll find out tomorrow.

Phase 1 is stated to be 110gb.

[Ornithopter]

I guess the time has come to learn how to do symbolic links or something on Windows, because my 1TB DCS drive is starting to hurt.  We can put a map on a different drive and get it to work, can't we?

[av8orDave]

Well, I made the leap and put DCS on a dedicated 4TB SSD. Ugh.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

35 minutes ago, av8orDave said:

Well, I made the leap and put DCS on a dedicated 4TB SSD. Ugh.

Very understandable. I bought a 2TB NVMe drive last year hoping to be sorted for the next few years at least, but then reality happened:
"2TB" is really 1.8TB of which Windows reserves 400GB, which leaves 1.4TB which is almost full already (still need to add CW Germany to that at the very least).

Edited April 17 by Raven (Elysian Angel)

[Ornithopter]

Since drive space is obviously a concern for a lot of people whenever a new terrain is released, I found this post with info on how to do symbolic links for DCS terrains.