Why is it so easy to take off

[Hotdognz]

Why is it so easy to take off, flying on the other hand not so much.

On the runway all trims set, gun the throttle and it starts rolling in a straight line, only as the rear wheel comes up does it start to move to the L side a little which is countered with a little rudder.

Also ground taxing is like any other US based WB with differential brakes and really quite easy,

All the stories I heard was this would be really difficult to take off in, are there some factors that are not being simulated ??

[Mr_sukebe]

Early access…

[westr]

3 hours ago, Hotdognz said:

Why is it so easy to take off, flying on the other hand not so much.

On the runway all trims set, gun the throttle and it starts rolling in a straight line, only as the rear wheel comes up does it start to move to the L side a little which is countered with a little rudder.

Also ground taxing is like any other US based WB with differential brakes and really quite easy,

All the stories I heard was this would be really difficult to take off in, are there some factors that are not being simulated ??

Have you taken off from a carrier yet? 
reason I say that, I took off from a carrier and went full throttle and it flipped me over into a snap roll and went into the sea. That happened a lot with the Corsair and cost many a life.
Next time I tried not with full throttle and with a bit of rudder correction once going off the end of the deck had it under control. I agree with you that on shore based takeoffs it’s fairly simple in fact trimmed nicely it just lifts of the ground by itself. Maybe that’s how she was unfortunately I’ve never flown a Corsair so can’t say for sure? 

[Gunfreak]

1 hour ago, westr said:

Have you taken off from a carrier yet? 
reason I say that, I took off from a carrier and went full throttle and it flipped me over into a snap roll and went into the sea. That happened a lot with the Corsair and cost many a life.
Next time I tried not with full throttle and with a bit of rudder correction once going off the end of the deck had it under control. I agree with you that on shore based takeoffs it’s fairly simple in fact trimmed nicely it just lifts of the ground by itself. Maybe that’s how she was unfortunately I’ve never flown a Corsair so can’t say for sure? 

I've done several full throttle starts on the Essex. I only needed  a tiny rudder correction. It's extremely gentle. If I had done the same with a Spitfire or P51. The aircraft would have veered off to the side and most likely crashing.

It doesn't feel like there's 2000HP engine in there. Reminds me more of taking off in a Cessna i that civilian sim

[Guldendrak]

Yes take off is easy. Did it on first try from the carrier without any tutorial and I'm a very new player for ww2 planes as I started warbirds only a few month ago. 

[Shibbyland]

I agree, take off very easy, landing really easy too. Aircraft flies like a small aerobat. 

Fingers crossed it goes through some meaningful development.

[Kovacs]

Have you tried without the recommended trim settings for takeoff? I'll try it to see if takeoff is as easy.

[=475FG= Dawger]

On 11/14/2024 at 4:55 AM, =475FG= Dawger said:

 

Don’t worry. The Corsair will not be modeled with real world levels of torque. They know their audience and its expectations. 

As predicted.

[motoadve]

53 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

As predicted.

That is disappointing if true, isn't DCS a high fidelity simulation? there are other games that do that for playability.

[=475FG= Dawger]

5 minutes ago, motoadve said:

That is disappointing if true, isn't DCS a high fidelity simulation? there are other games that do that for playability.

Don’t worry, someone will be along shortly to explain how it is perfectly correct as is and some other guy will say “It’s early access. They will change it later”

But I am happy to stand by my prediction 5 years from now. 

[ac5]

Indeed far too easy... And in the options there is no "take off assist" like

there is for A L L other WWII warbirds, which of course I have set on those to "0"......

[Gunfreak]

It feels very much like taking off in that other ww2 sim, no need to concentrate it just happens by itself.  While all the ED warbirds is a battle onto itself to take off and land.

[westr]

2 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

I've done several full throttle starts on the Essex. I only needed  a tiny rudder correction. It's extremely gentle. If I had done the same with a Spitfire or P51. The aircraft would have veered off to the side and most likely crashing.

It doesn't feel like there's 2000HP engine in there. Reminds me more of taking off in a Cessna i that civilian sim

This was from say mid deck so as i crossed the threshold of the deck I was closer to stall speed. Just listened to a podcast about the F4U and once you get the aircraft to higher speeds by accounts was quite stable. Say a shore based takeoff or a longer deck run.
If your slow and apply full throttle like I did I got the torque and snap roll. 

Edited Saturday at 12:47 PM by westr

[skywalker22]

Where says that taking off should be hard? Why? I find it as difficult as any other warbird. But its way more difficult after the take off, you have to be way more careful not to do something stupid to make the plane stall, then any other warbird.

[cellinsky]

From my readings and some testing in DCS, its too easy on takeoff (mainly a too-less-tork thing) and too sluggish and unstable once in the air and on speed. Yaw behaviour on rudder-input is much overdone imho. Because of that, its very hard to do an "english" carrier-approach. Other than that, I like it very much.

[Hotdognz]

Have you taken off from a carrier yet? 
reason I say that, I took off from a carrier and went full throttle and it flipped me over into a snap roll and went into the sea. That happened a lot with the Corsair and cost many a life.
Next time I tried not with full throttle and with a bit of rudder correction once going off the end of the deck had it under control. I agree with you that on shore based takeoffs it’s fairly simple in fact trimmed nicely it just lifts of the ground by itself. Maybe that’s how she was unfortunately I’ve never flown a Corsair so can’t say for sure? 

I have taken off from both an dirt af and a carrier, it's the same process, pretty easy to do.

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[motoadve]

1 hour ago, cellinsky said:

From my readings and some testing in DCS, its too easy on takeoff (mainly a too-less-tork thing) and too sluggish and unstable once in the air and on speed. Yaw behaviour on rudder-input is much overdone imho. Because of that, its very hard to do an "english" carrier-approach. Other than that, I like it very much.

When you turn, it wants you to anticipate with rudder input, same as one of the tailwheel planes I fly IRL, some planes are like that, so I don't know if it is overdone or not, but it feels the same as when I turn IRL, all the turns needs to be coordinated with rudder or else lots of yaw.

[westr]

55 minutes ago, Hotdognz said:

I have taken off from both an dirt af and a carrier, it's the same process, pretty easy to do.

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That’s not the point I’m making. The point I was trying to make is that if you have a shortened deck space due to say parked aircraft and you have to lift of or leave the threshold of the deck at the edge of stalling speed you experience a difference, I experienced it and I feel they have modelled that correctly, with a long runway or a nice long carrier deck yes it’s quite straightforward 

[ac5]

5 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

Where says that taking off should be hard? Why? I find it as difficult as any other warbird. But its way more difficult after the take off, you have to be way more careful not to do something stupid to make the plane stall, then any other warbird.

So you "find it as difficult as any other warbird" Do you own the Spitfire.....?

[skywalker22]

3 minutes ago, ac5 said:

So you "find it as difficult as any other warbird" Do you own the Spitfire.....?

yes and yes. But I don't fly it much, I prefer Bf-109, which I fly the most. Bf-109 is a tad harder to take off, but still when you get used to it, its not that hard. I would put both into same category of difficulty for taking off.

I guess its more a matter of practice, how good you are. And if you are good, its not hard anymore, right?

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

58 minutes ago, ac5 said:

So you "find it as difficult as any other warbird" Do you own the Spitfire.....?

The Spitfire isn't hard, though? You just dance on the pedals and off you go. Manage the throttle gently on landing if you want a cheat code against ground loops. 

Dot dot dot dot dot, etc.

Edited Saturday at 07:45 PM by MiG21bisFishbedL

[T.Power]

I landed this thing first time, albeit with a bit of a skid, takeoff took at least half a dozen attempts, the Spit is by far harder to learn than this, engine management aside.

[Nealius]

I own all the warbirds except the I-16 with god knows how many hundreds of hours accumilated among them and I did not find the Corsair to be exceedingly easy in takeoff or landing. On the takeoff roll it behaves somewhere between the Spitfire and the Mustang. Not quite as squirelly as the Spit, but not as stable as the Mustang. Landing was about on par with the Jug. However the tire friction physics seem to still be wip, as they're sticker compared to all the ED warbirds, which tend to slide laterally as if they're on ice during takeoff/landing rolls.

Once airborne you need to jump on the rudder trim and get that ball centered promptly or the torque will spin you into the trees, as it did the person who took off just before me in the server.

[Shibbyland]

I’ve just been talking to a guy I know who flies the Corsair and this is what he had to say:

 

“The takeoff isn’t too bad as long as trims are set but we set take off power in two stages”. He went on to say it would expect it to be horrendous applying full power from stationary for take off.

 

I also asked whether it felt weighty compared to other period fighters he’s flown. He said

 

”it’s light and balanced. A pleasure to fly. Easy in the air, a beast on the ground”.

 

So just based on this one pilots input I think they’ve got the flight characteristics in game a bit back to front. In game I find the aircraft all over the show once airborne and really easy to take off and land. Sounds like it should be the other way round.

[Gunfreak]

I've done 5 carrier take offs. I use take off trim. Full flaps. I hold the brakes. Push the throttle to max, smoothy but quite quickly. I let go of th2 brakes when it starts to tip the nose. But I'm basically at full power from the moment the aircraft rolls. The aircraft does a tiny week turn to the left that only needs a tiny right pedal to fix. And then it's basically auto pilot. The corsair flies straight and off the deck. 

Had I done this is in the Spitfire, the aircraft would violently turn to the left. And i would have to push right pedal equally violently to compensate.

 

Taking off in the corsair feels like taking off in the other warbirds with 100% take off assistanse.