Perfect stick for A-10C from Thrustmaster?

[Feuerfalke]

That looks VERY promising!

 

Thanks for sharing. Saitek already lost this competition - at least for me :D

[herr_LaSk]

Looks awesome, cant wait to get more screens of it.:thumbup: Any of the HOTAS experts here on the forum dare venture at a guess if its spring sentering, FFB or FS?:joystick: Theres a good shot of the base of the stick there.

[CyBerkut]

Well, it looks fairly safe to conclude that they aren't using the Cougar's gimbal system...

[CyBerkut]

I think you can rule out FFB, but that pedestal that the stick is sitting on had me wondering about whether it might be FS. The thing is, they have gone to that much trouble to make a replica controller, so it doesn't make sense that they would make it FS.

[Feuerfalke]

No, I doubt it's FS. After watching the video a quazillion of times, the stick seems to be fixed on a spheric joint on top of that metal tube which is again mounted on what appears to be a bottom plate. It was also said it uses Hall-sensors - AFAIK it would not make much sense to use Hall-sensors for ForceSensing.

[Eddie]

I'm pretty confident in saying it's just a normal moving stick with hall sensors. No fancy FS or FFB. Which is certainly no bad thing imho.

 

Of course the only problem is, I now have to buy 2 new HOTAS setups, the TM offering for DCS:A10C and the saitek offering for Falcon (and because it's awesome). Couple that with a set of MFDs and DCS is starting to become the most expensive sim ever, of course it worth it.

[herr_LaSk]

Ahh, good point. Maybe it uses a sort of spring centering system where the center point of the springs is determined by magnets, sort of how the real Ka-50 works. Would be the most authentic as the real A-10 stick, if I remberer correctly, is spring centering, however the springs are connected to electric servos that moves the springs so that the zero force point of the stick coresponds to the current trimmed possition.

[PoleCat]

I will be all over this thing like a cheap suit.

 

out

[SUBS17]

No, I doubt it's FS. After watching the video a quazillion of times, the stick seems to be fixed on a spheric joint on top of that metal tube which is again mounted on what appears to be a bottom plate. It was also said it uses Hall-sensors - AFAIK it would not make much sense to use Hall-sensors for ForceSensing.

 

You can use HS kits for both pressure or movement, it makes sense since there are no moving parts which means a longer life than pots.:thumbup:

 

BTW 6kg for the TM Hog Hotas it looks awesome.

[Boulund]

I constructed this from what imagery I found in the flash-banner. Note that this is more than just a screenshot of the flash-banner. I've merged several images as the camera pans across the stick so that more is visible at the same time =). Just a simple example to show what I mean: it is impossible in the banner to see the text "off" on the bottom part of the image and at the same time see the black "circle/hole" on the stick (on the upper part of the image).

 

Just so that we have it here on the forums for public viewing whenever =D

 

edit: I managed to get even more into the same image. Some part don't really align well, but here is everything displayed in the ad anyway

Edited November 28, 2009 by Boulund

[Feuerfalke]

Cool.

 

It looks like it uses the same method of changeable stick like the Cougar. I wonder if it also uses the same connection, so at least in theory you can exchange the grip.

[CyBerkut]

You can use HS kits for both pressure or movement, it makes sense since there are no moving parts which means a longer life than pots.:thumbup:

 

BTW 6kg for the TM Hog Hotas it looks awesome.

 

 

AFAIK, a hall sensor works via relative motion between the sensor and the magnetic field. How does one make that work with a force sensing (pressure)? And... why would anyone want to (add in HS) when the force sensing is already there?

 

Yes, the 6 kg should be substantial. :)

[Pilotasso]

pressure sensing is donne via material under stress wich has variable resistande depending of force aplied. Its suposed not to be movable.

[sobek]

Hall sensors can only be used to measure deflection, not strain. They work by measuring a voltage perpendicular to the supply voltage, that is proportional to the strength of the magnetic field inside the sensor.

[Feuerfalke]

Thanks, that's how I understood it.

 

Considering the level of detail provided, I doubt they will use ForceSensing and spoil it all.

[herr_LaSk]

It looks like they also included the panel just aft of the Engine Controll panel on the throttle. In my A 10a flight manual that panel is the TV Monitor Controll panel, however I think thats changed since the A-10C uppgrade. Anybody know what it is?

[Feuerfalke]

Autopilot?

 

There are some early screenshots of the cockpit available on this forum.

[herr_LaSk]

I looked at this screenshot but its difficult to distinguish what it says. I thought the autopilot panel was just below the HSI.

Edited November 28, 2009 by herr_LaSk

[Feuerfalke]

This was posted last christmas:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=599978&postcount=15

 

The second screenshot made me conclude it might be the Autopilot-Console. Well, at least you can decipher AUTO....T.

The switch below has 3 steps, ?, ALT+something and ALT.

Edited November 28, 2009 by Feuerfalke

[SUBS17]

Hall sensors can only be used to measure deflection, not strain. They work by measuring a voltage perpendicular to the supply voltage, that is proportional to the strength of the magnetic field inside the sensor.

 

This mod here has HS and works off pressure exactly like the real F-16 stick:

http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb.html

 

In this stick the movement is 1/4 of an inch.

[sobek]

This mod here has HS and works off pressure exactly like the real F-16 stick:

http://www.realsimulator.com/html/fssb.html

 

The page you provided does not once mention the word "hall". You're wrong, m8 ;)

 

Hall sensors measure magnetic fields. The strength of a magnetic field cannot be altered by putting strain on the application, only by moving the source of the magnetic field closer or further away (or by shielding it, for that matter).

 

The FSSB mod uses strain gauges.

 

But don't listen to me. I'm only a student of electrical engineering, so what the heck do i know about translating mechanical units into electrical ones.;)

[lawndartleo]

Sobek is right. I have one of these. Hall effect mods to Cougars simply replace potentiometers, the stick still has full defelction.

[herr_LaSk]

This was posted last christmas:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=599978&postcount=15

 

The second screenshot made me conclude it might be the Autopilot-Console. Well, at least you can decipher AUTO....T.

The switch below has 3 steps, ?, ALT+something and ALT.

 

Thanks, was looking for that one, but had to go to work. :thumbup: Not convinced its an autopilot panel, looks more like a multifunction panel with the buttons and switches the pilot uses the most conveniently placed right behind the throttle.

Edited November 29, 2009 by herr_LaSk

[Feuerfalke]

Thanks, was looking for that one, but had to go to work. :thumbup: Not convinced its an autopilot panel, looks more like a multifunction panel with the buttons and switches the pilot uses the most conveniently placed right behind the throttle.

 

Possible. It's really hard to make out from the screenshots. Good thing we'll find out soon, either by more details on the HOTAS or by new info on the A-10C next year.:thumbup:

[Bwaze]

It looks as this is just rendered (computer generated) image, so they might quite some time away from unveiling the finalized product...

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=33753&d=1259394928