DCS: Black Shark patch?

[Bucic]

I would gladly welcome even a beta readme . . .

[GGTharos]

That is not an option - it is wishful thinking ;)

 

You're forgetting option 4: You post an estimated release date and release it a day earlier bug free and flawless. Everybody's happy. :)

[Turuk_Makto]

OK, what about this option.

 

Post a release date and release the patch with its current status...but make sure to announce that this patch is a beta and might contain several bugs. Ask the community for help by using a bugtracker.

 

result: Patch is out, everyone can test and report and play around with the new functions and once no bugs will be reported anymore and you fixed them you release a final patch...saying a cooperative patchfixing with Dev and com.

 

Advantages:

No one will flame you as everyone is forced to report known bugs.

 

You have not that pressure around and we will finnally stop to annoy you with asking for releasedates..

Edited April 30, 2010 by Turuk_Makto

[BKLronin]

Clearly Option 3 here!

[Airway]

Saying nothing while saying much

 

 

Worst demonstration ever of to flapping one's arms about.

[PedroTheGoat]

Okay, so I'm still a bit grey on one area... Is the sound engine patch going to be released at the same time as the compatibility patch?

 

I'm growing tired of the cockpit sounding like my head is directly inside a turbine. I don't know if this is my system or if it is a common problem. Still having fun playing your campaign by the way Wags!

 

(I just completed the Courier single mission and am SO proud of myself for the perfect landing I accomplished on the frigate... YES!!!)

[159th_Viper]

I'm going tired of the cockpit sounding like my head is directly inside a turbine.

 

Open and Close the Cockpit door.......the sound will go away :)

[PedroTheGoat]

Open and Close the Cockpit door.......the sound will go away :)

 

I just press F2 then F1 really quickly, that makes it go away too. Even so, battlefield sounds and other stuff always sound just a bit "off" to me.

[jerda]

Is the effect of option 3 really any different from any of the others??? Looks like you cant win Wags. I would prefer a quality job, so do it right. Thanks.

[connos]

Option 3: We hold off giving a release date.

 

I'll take Option 3.

 

And still get flamed. :thumbup:

 

We will wait what to do as we all in this forum love ED and their commitment to their products. Even the one complaining will be the first to thank ED.

[Martillo1]

Yeah, Lock On Platinum &... Black Shark Plutonium :D

[sweinhart3]

You're forgetting option 4: You post an estimated release date and release it a day earlier bug free and flawless. Everybody's happy. :)

 

Option 5: All this talk of patches for FC2 and BS is one big April Fools Joke.

[danny777]

...how come theres a thread on this patch when its only coming out next year? :huh:

[EtherealN]

This patch is not coming out next year. It's coming out soon.

[Thunderbird]

we can have a great Sim without bug by being patient, I can wait for the patch

[Cyb0rg]

Yeah i can wait 2-3 weeks... :thumbup:

[Thunderbird]

i can wait 2-3 months to get a good stuff lol

[danny777]

...id be glad to have a beta patch first , maybe it should be an optional choice for the consumer?

[DetroitDieseL]

...id be glad to have a beta patch first , maybe it should be an optional choice for the consumer?

 

There is a beta out first- and the bete testers are testing it.

 

I like how ED is handling this. They want to release a good product and not a semi par one. Everyone in here going on and on about it is just working themselves into a twitter. Just sit back and enjoy what you already have. FC2 and BS are the 2 best Combat sims out, they can only get better.

 

Stop painting ED into a corner, let them work. Don't pressure them.

 

Lock this thread.

[Thunderbird]

yeah i agree with that, just lock this thread.. even i get sick and tired with the pest

[Turuk_Makto]

I believe that a huge part of this Community could need a better idea about how to work on a coorperative way with its developer. Dont always say it´s done when it´s done (currently there´s no other way...I know that), but what about to offer your help, to offer your knowledge, to offer the possibilities which are present in this great community?

 

ED is releasing good stuff...that´s true...and good things will take it´s time...well...absolutely true.

 

But why "paint the dev into a corner and set them out the pressure to release good stuff" since the community is a quite good one with massive knowledge?

 

Will say...why not offer a cooperativ work when it comes for patch releases? (I know...there´s the ED betatestTeam already, true...but only a few, and patches need to get out fast, espacially when so much more stuff is waiting in the queue...)

 

Best example is the ArmA Community. A quite detailed game with massive depth as well as there are lots of possibilities for bugs to hide (as expiriented after A2 release). What are the doing?

 

They are releasing rc patches for the interested part of the community to test and report bugs back to the devs...the result is an inplementation of the com to use/share their knowledge to finally get a good result without any kind of annoying repeatedly asking for release dates...and no bugs. ArmA2 in current status runs better than any Version before.

 

ED should involve the com much more and I am pretty much sure that the wouldn´t regret it.

Edited May 1, 2010 by Turuk_Makto

[sobek]

...id be glad to have a beta patch first , maybe it should be an optional choice for the consumer?

 

Why would they do that? They have a heap of motivated and skilled testers working on a voluntary basis, there would be no gain for either party in releasing an unfinished product.

 

You just think you want that, but believe me, you don't. Most people would spend the time from beta to final complaining on the forum instead of playing the game. Now just how would that be helpful???

[talisman]

But this is a community - communities are full of different kinds of people. The thing i love to see about this community is that there is a nice balance of oppinion. For every 3 people saying "hurry up i cant wait" There are another 2 saying "Settle down and hold your horses".

 

Why would you lock a thread that this balanced.

 

Anyway - its threads like these that give me so much to read - and a reason to keep coming back.

 

- anyway, back to it guys. :)

[DetroitDieseL]

Releasing an RC to the community is more work for the ED Team. I'm sure if they need any more help from us they would ask, or pluck whom ever they thought could help out of here.

 

That being said, IMO think that threads like this is just pressuring them. Let them be to work on it- to release a final finished version that works perfect instead of trying to get bits and pieces that don't work.

 

Com'on be honest, don't you sense that they're a bit under pressure- from Wags or who ever when they post on these kinds of threads. Give em a break.

 

Edit:

 

Arma isn't a realistic combat sim- IRL every joe-smoe doesn't hop into a 30 million dollar Tank, or helo, or aircraft. Or save points to unlock NonMos weapons.

 

That point is irrelevent.

Edited May 1, 2010 by DetroitDieseL

[Turuk_Makto]

Yes...you are absolutely right...threats like this are pressuring the dev teams. But not the threat alone, but the hole forum...this is actually usual. Offer a public possibility to communicate with your com and you will have as many peoples who are asking for release as people are around who try to solve this...this is not unusual...this is normal forum communication.

 

I totally believe that Wags and most of the Dev team dont really care about those posts..why should they? We are the ones who wants to get stuff of them...not the other way. But trying to tickle out some information isn´t that bad. Wags would have reacted on respective way if he´d get too much annoyed about this...I am pretty sure though.

 

You also might be right that offer help to the Devs by the community might not be the best way..I dont know...and my example with ArmA shouldn´t compare the both games with each other (the depth isnt compareabel...so far I agree) but the community-Developer relationship.

 

Considering the Fact that BS has been released in October 2008 (I dont care about russian or western Europe/USA release) and now we´re only a quarter away from become that release date ages 2 years...(and I really much believe that we´ll top the 2 years mark until A10C is out) how long should it take to get the whole planned DCS released and fully supported? When the last Module will be released may be no more is interested in it, cause the hard and Softwareconditions might be totally outdated (just an example)

 

....let me guess...if each module needs around 2 years to be released...(without any patchwork, of course), so we can call all modules our own in roundabout 15 years...no one will have win7, XP or Vista still installed then, so it might be possible to have 2 OS installed on your system, to be enabled to run all modules... (I am just a little brainstorming, but this might be the future of DCS)...remeber which OS we ran back in 1995!!

 

I am not the person who says...ok...if no announced modules will be released..it´s ok..so I fly around with my KA 50 only...sorry...thats not my style.

 

Thats why I am suggesting to make a coop patch release work. But...it´s only a suggestion not more or less...and all my guesses above...are just guesses...no reason to start a trouble (may be the wrong threat..)

Edited May 1, 2010 by Turuk_Makto