Flaming Cliffs 3

[Panzertard]

Gupyzer0, you may not have noticed this:

About Flaming Cliffs 3... by Wags.

[MemphisBelle]

Gupyzer0, you may not have noticed this:

About Flaming Cliffs 3... by Wags.

 

hahaha...very good though...so I am quite relieved now...

Edited May 27, 2011 by MemphisBelle

[Boberro]

Single engine? No thanks. ;)

 

lol

 

Player "Bird" killed F-16C.

 

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LMAO

This could be funny as well ^^

 

I wont have a problem if they develop may be 3 or 4 modules and after that they would take hands on a FC3 game to combine all released DCS modules with FC. That would make sense...everythings else is sensless wasted time.

 

There wouldn't be problems if ED made addons fast and\or release them in pairs. As it is not possible and it is understandable why not, there is something "lively" needed in DCS untill there are at least 2 fighters.

So LO3 is the solution as well.

 

I dont want to buy FC games constantly after each release of a DCS module. That also doesnt make any sense.

 

Noone can force anyone to buy anything :)

 

Where is is supposed to end up? FC 10 some day? Of course they can spend time on closing bonds between DCS and FC simmers, but not after each DCS release.

 

It is as it is... as I noticed there is no just one world engine where you can add planes\choppas. Each addon is other and patching previous one needs some time. Results of chosen path.

[Panzertard]

Okai, I updated the OP to avoid more confusion.

[asparagin]

There wouldn't be problems if ED made addons fast and\or release them in pairs.

 

Exactly my point, ED must work faster!! :P:smartass::surrender:

[Gupyzer0]

Gupyzer0, you may not have noticed this:

About Flaming Cliffs 3... by Wags.

 

Didnt noticed that one, thanks for the link :thumbup:

 

lol

 

Noone can force anyone to buy anything :)

 

 

Its not because he cant its because you have to doit and doit because you need to maintain the multiplayer standar ... thats the problem ! i need to buy if i want to keep on multiplayer area with the other guys ... it is (indirectly) forcing me to buy it because i want to keep goin online :(...

 

oh well the next expansion will be around 20 $ too ... time to search some dollars for me hahahaha xD

Edited May 27, 2011 by Gupyzer0

[Dr_Arrow]

 

i stopped at page 6 , but whatever you do ED please correct the frog nose damage

 

I second that - at least a very small hotfix to corret the frogs nose damage - because I get it blown away nearly always when I am shot at.

[Gupyzer0]

I second that - at least a very small hotfix to corret the frogs nose damage - because I get it blown away nearly always when I am shot at.

 

AAAs love noses ?

[HungaroJET]

shut up. Its 2 weeks! :v:

 

^Correct ! but i think this cake is already made ! :book:

 

Why ? Coz to make FC3 from FC2 with base of DCS-WH easy as a pie - oops sry - easy as a cake :chef: and E.D. won't "forget" to update the company's most popular product.

After DCS-WH fall in sales, after DCS-WH+BS came out.:prop:

Earliest next Xmas. Probably next summer. :smilewink:

I can wait ! :angel:

 

Well done E.D. ! It's getting better & better, nicer & nicer® :thumbup:

[SUBS17]

.. or they can leave it as is. An upgrade to the standard set by the new DCS module requires work. Work is something that ought to be paid for.

 

Either way, as Wags said, no decisions have been made.

 

That won't sell, FC2 is supposed to be MP compatible with DCS, if you waste time just making it look nicer and re-releasing it then its not worth it. il2 has a better approach to addons, the original il2 is MP compatible with the addons.

il2-PF-1946 etc all those aircraft are addons that work MP, they didn't say heres il2, now heres PF, no il2/B will be MP compaitble with PF but you have to pay more for a patch. Its because of il2s approach to addons that its more popular than LO and also the free compaitbility patches=value for money for the product. People didn't buy il2, forgotten battles, Pacific Fighters and il2 1946 because they had to but because they wanted to get more addon aircraft etc. Its better for ED to focus on a western fighter for DCS and continue the DCS series. My advice is an F-16 as for FM which seems to be the problem they could approach this differently by creating a simplified FM to get the addon released earlier and then put an AFM as a patch until they come up with a quicker way to code FM. If they did just the same aircraft as FC2 then I'd expect clickable cockpits etc.

[159th_Viper]

FC2 is supposed to be MP compatible with DCS

 

Nope.

[MemphisBelle]

@Panzertard

 

following is just a "what if" discussion.

 

@Boberro

 

I can see your point, but the features provided in FC and DCS are too much different. They dont fit together. LO and FC are Games. DCS is a Program, it´s even not called a game (noticed in a Computergames magazine). So what you need is more modules to make DCS lifely, not another FC.

We all know that this takes time...a lot of time. So it is a very unnecessarry thing to waste time in trying combine two things which are generally not supposed to be one.

 

FC2 has just been made to shorten the time and made waiting for the hog easier, that´s the only reasojn why it has been made. Since ED got the chance to change from A-10A to C it was clear that this would take much more time as expected. And they also know that we would make trouble for that long time. So they gave us somethings to play with....and it worked perfectly.

 

But this is no more. There´s absolutely no need for another FC. You´ll know what I am talking about once the balance between eastern and western A/C has been given.

[BKLronin]

@subs17

 

I didn ´t liked IL2 patchways. I had to buy forgotten battles and later 1946 jusfor online compatibility because everyone had, of course, the newest title. Also updating the graphics engine isn´t wasted time in my op.

 

Always pros and cons.

[EtherealN]

FC2 is supposed to be MP compatible with DCS

 

I'll add a little elaboration to Viper's "Nope":

First of all, it is incorrect or, at least, incomplete.

FC2 is compatible with DCS:BS 1.02. It never was officially stated that FC2 would be kept compatible with all of DCS - just that it would be made compatible with DCS:BS 1.02, with no guarantees regarding future iterations of the DCS series.

 

il2 has a better approach to addons, the original il2 is MP compatible with the addons.

 

And the software pays dearly for it. It's a convenience for the customer, sure, but it seriously blocks the development team in what types of advances they can make. In effect the addons are limited to planes and maps, new features are made incredibly difficult to implement (though not impossible of course).

 

If ED were to follow the same method, you would have said goodbye to all the new features in DCS:A-10C, and most definitely wouldn't see DCS:BS patched up to include those features. The DCS series would have remained firmly cemented in the year 2008.

 

Its better for ED to focus on a western fighter for DCS and continue the DCS series.

 

First of all: do note that FC3 is not an officially announced product. Indeed, Wags has clarified in this thread that they have not made a decision yet on whether to do it nor what features and fixes would be included.

 

Secondly, depending on what work ends up being scheduled for it and the state of other patch work for DCS:BS and DCS:A-10C, work might be possible to do in parallell. For example, if the current stage of development for the next DCS product is focused on flight model and art assets, and there is no other work requirements at the time for it, then FC3 could be developed in parallell since it wouldn't require much attention from the Art and FM guys. (This is such a common misconception about software development it should have a name - the classic being when an MMO company releases a few graphics updates and people start lambasting them about how they "should fix the gameplay bugs instead"... Different people do different jobs, same way you don't necessarily tell the plumber that he cannot pull his pipes just because the electrician isn't done.)

[Rikus]

.. or they can leave it as is. An upgrade to the standard set by the new DCS module requires work. Work is something that ought to be paid for.

 

I think this is the best thing they can do.

 

Because pay again for adding HDR and few things of A10, like new grass and some stuff that doesn´t goes in the line to upgrade flight model, new 3D models and textures (i think it´s time to leave those models of flanker 2.0 ...) pay again for this things... Silly one time, not twice

 

Spend time in finish next DCS USA fighter to start with the RUSS DCS

 

Greetings

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Spend time in finish next DCS USA fighter to start with the RUSS DCS Greetings

That is exactly what I want. I mean, the second part.

[S77th-konkussion]

If you're expecting a DCS Russian fighter just because "it's their turn" I think you may be slightly disappointed.

[GGTharos]

I think this is the best thing they can do.

 

I disagree.

 

Because pay again for adding HDR and few things of A10, like new grass and some stuff that doesn´t goes in the line to upgrade flight model, new 3D models and textures (i think it´s time to leave those models of flanker 2.0 ...) pay again for this things... Silly one time, not twice

 

Not silly at all. The number of improvements in the upgrade is significant. It would change gameplay to some extent, not to mention avoid segmenting the community.

[Boberro]

It will be great time during Christmas of 2011 heheh :>

[combatace]

It will be great time during Christmas of 2011 heheh :>

 

You will get Nevada and Ka-50 compatibility for Christmas but FC3 will take to Easter..

[Ripcord]

For FC3, what about some new theaters? Could add perhaps a couple new features, maybe some that exist now in A-10C, IF they can be easily/cheaply implementd. I'd pay for that.

 

Ripcord

[GGTharos]

The real deal is that if we get FC3, we get it with the mechanism for switching maps easily, instead of doing hacks. 'Porting forward' to the DCS standard is a big deal, and worth a small price.

 

You will get Nevada and Ka-50 compatibility for Christmas but FC3 will take to Easter..

[159th_Viper]

For FC3, what about some new theaters? Could add perhaps a couple new features, maybe some that exist now in A-10C, IF they can be easily/cheaply implementd. I'd pay for that.

 

Ripcord

 

First of all - there is no FC3.

 

If/when it is contemplated, if ever, at best you will probably have is the FC2 flyables in the current DCS engine - fullstop. FC3 will accordingly gain by the current improvements to the DCS engine sans major improvements to current FC2 flyables/weapons etc etc, nevermind addition of new flyables/maps etc etc - will not happen.

[Steel Jaw]

I think folks are having trouble accepting that FC2 is the end of the line.

[Cali]

Lets wait and see what ED says about FC3. Mower, I think you are having a hard time trying to be hardcore :D.