Two Questions

[Alexrey]

1) I've heard people say "use your jammer to make the SAM lose its lock", but I don't know how this is done because the jammer always on standby and only goes active when a missile is in the air heading towards me. Do you put the CMSP in manual mode to have free reign over your jammer or is there a way to do it in semi-active mode as well?

 

2) Some people say that they decrease their flight control sensitivity when doing A-A refueling. Is there some way to do this whilst in the air? Also, surely its unrealistic to decrease sensitivity since A-10 pilots wouldn't have this option in the real world (or would they?).

 

Thanks guys, cheers.

[Cibit]

Hi,

the jammer is usable in semi automatic. I always fly with my CM in semi auto mode. Not sure of the keyboard shortcut as I use a HOTAS

 

Your second question I assume refers to people with I think the Logitek sticks that have a mode to increase/decrease axis sensitivity. Alternatively you can change deadzones and curves in your axis options.:)

[ivanwfr]

2) Some people say that they decrease their flight control sensitivity when doing A-A refueling. Is there some way to do this whilst in the air? Also, surely its unrealistic to decrease sensitivity since A-10 pilots wouldn't have this option in the real world (or would they?).

 

If you have the Thrustmater Warthog...

 

TARGET allows you to adjust curve shape and zoom (span) on the fly but you must be ready to get a little deeper into scripting than the average user.

 

I use Friction Control Slider to do that or hold S3 to get into a temporary "zoomed" mode.

Edited July 22, 2011 by ivanwfr

[sobek]

2) Some people say that they decrease their flight control sensitivity when doing A-A refueling. Is there some way to do this whilst in the air? Also, surely its unrealistic to decrease sensitivity since A-10 pilots wouldn't have this option in the real world (or would they?).

 

Here is a weird thought, instead of some unrealistic gimmicks, you could also try practising, it actually works. ;)

[Alexrey]

Here is a weird thought, instead of some unrealistic gimmicks, you could also try practising, it actually works. ;)

Well that's what I actually want to know. If it's not realistic (which thanks to your responses has shown me this), then I won't change sensitivity settings. Time for the long road to refueling I guess.

[ivanwfr]

Do you mean as unrealistic as flying your desk with a PC without wings and a stick 3 times shorter than a real one ?

[Wolf Rider]

Well that's what I actually want to know. If it's not realistic (which thanks to your responses has shown me this), then I won't change sensitivity settings. Time for the long road to refueling I guess.

 

A long road indeed, but awfully rewarding once you get there :)

[Eddie]

A long road indeed, but awfully rewarding once you get there :)

 

Indeed. AAR is one of those things where there are no magic tips or secrets, it just takes practice.

 

Sooner or later it'll all come together and you'll wonder what was so hard about it to start with.

[Arclight]

Do you mean as unrealistic as flying your desk with a PC without wings and a stick 3 times shorter than a real one ?

That. Tune your axis. ;)

 

*provided you don't have a fancy force-sensing stick at least, like the TM Warthog.

Edited July 22, 2011 by Arclight

[PhoenixBvo]

There is really no point in making the thing any harder than necessary (it remains a simulation anyway, so the RL control sensitivity is an unknown for us anyway). Get those axis curves set up correctly, it does make a big difference trust me.

[ivanwfr]

I think that any means to have our input devices do what we need them to do is realistic. And I'm sure their real life counterpart are not supposed to follow any dogmatic way to build them.

 

If anyone comes with a better way to control those exoskeleton that those planes really are would make a good addition and if you don't, the enemy could. Ergonomics is the word for that and it always had to fight against dogma to break its way through.

 

But I agree with the hard work before success part. For instance, with much practice, one can learn how to play the violin.

 

Yet another point would be to decide whether a car should need to have a clutch or not? All depends what it's used for.

[PhoenixBvo]

All depends what it's used for.

Exactly, and if the use is also for AAR then switching your curve makes a lot of sense. It changes your pilot gain thereby helping to avoid overcontrolling the plane.

 

I use curve switching with my TM Warthog. The link to my WH profile in the sig below is broken, so I've attached the zip to this post directly.

TM_Warthog_Profile_DCS_A-10C.zip

[Wolf Rider]

Trim?

[ivanwfr]

Using trim to fly smoothly feels like bad practice as it is not the purpose of this function. When you are satisfied with the static compensation you're done with it and you go back dealing with the dynamic factors with constant offsets trimmed away.

 

When I realize I'm trimming a little too much, it looks like I'm not far from doing something the wrong way... And as a newbie I know many ways to be wrong and my right thumb seems to know when and gets nervous :smilewink:

[pandawelch]

Both MAN and SEMI not only allow pilot activation, they require it. SEMI is nice for the jammer because it picks the jammer program well and allows the pilot to activate it whenever (by pressing CMS-Z.)

 

BTW what is the keyboard binding for start/stop Jammer? I now realise I've never used it... no wonder I'm always hit by SAMs

[sobek]

I think that any means to have our input devices do what we need them to do is realistic.

 

I was solely commenting on changing the curve in flight. It is neither helpful, nor is it realistic. If you can't get your stick to work without making it non-linear, fair enough, but i still wouldn't do it.

[159th_Viper]

BTW what is the keyboard binding for start/stop Jammer? I now realise I've never used it... no wonder I'm always hit by SAMs

 

Set it to automatic and you'll not have the bother.

[ivanwfr]

I was solely commenting on changing the curve in flight. It is neither helpful, nor is it realistic. If you can't get your stick to work without making it non-linear, fair enough, but i still wouldn't do it.

 

In fact, I don't have any problem with TM Warthog, it's so precise that the only problem I could have would be me dealing badly one way or the other. As I said, I'm convinced that practice is the main ingredient to that matter, as it is for most skills improvement.

 

But this does not justify any argument against hardware/software evolution or customization of any of those human-machine interfaces. And it's easy to see how true this is when you consider how each and every peace of RL A-10C cockpit hardware will disappear sooner or later, as did all previous generation instruments.

 

There is always something better to do, and some of us are working to make it happen while others will keep with what they have :smilewink:, with some kind of respect with what has been and should always be kept how it is and always be.

[NoJoe]

BTW what is the keyboard binding for start/stop Jammer? I now realise I've never used it... no wonder I'm always hit by SAMs

 

It's in the controls as "HOTAS CMS Z Axis", and it's assigned to the "-" (minus) key by default (the one above the letters; not the keypad minus key). It works just like a toggle; press it on to turn the jammer on (in Man or Semi modes), press it again to turn it off. :thumbup:

 

--NoJoe

 

[EDIT] Y'know, I just searched through the manual to double check what I wrote up there, and I cannot find any mention that 1) a CMS Z axis even exists, and 2) that pressing it would enable the jammer. The best the manual mentions in that the jammer can be activated with the CMS switch. But it doesn't say how.. Hrmmm.

 

Well, if I'm wrong about how to turn on the jammer, someone please correct me! :D

Edited July 23, 2011 by NoJoe

[Wolf Rider]

the CMS switch on the Warthog is a 5 position switch. The 5th position is as a push button - so, we have; FOR, AFT, LEFT, RIGHT and IN

[krusty974]

Hi all, i was very interested in finding out how to turn on the jammer when in Man or Semi. Everyone seems to agree that it's done with CMS Z axis which is CMS DOWN (or IN) which correspod by default to Keybord "-". Unfortunately this is not working for me as "-" is not activating the jammer instead it cycles trough jammer modes (AAA, SAM1, SAM2 ...).

Any idea?

[Shadow KT]

I given up on the Jammer. I always use my own programs in manual.... and when in manual the jammer just doesn't work... Goes to OPR for a moment and back to STBY. No matter if you are being spiked or not

[ouPhrontis]

Perhaps straying off base a little, but it's on point regarding most radar SAM sites in DCS, learn the technique of getting the launch site on the beam when a SAM is launched, then notch it with a set of chaff released at intervals say once every .5 second in counts of 5-6, keep your eye on the missile, it'll be in lead pursuit when on you, then appear to lag once spoofed by the chaff.

 

Remember; beam the launcher, not the missile, at least this works for radar guided missiles with the like of say; 6, 8, 9 etc.