ED Team Wags Posted September 2, 2010 ED Team Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) Status - June 13 2014 The NTTR map is essentially done. We are now waiting for EDGE to be incorporated into DCS and set up the a new file structure that will be required to support multiple maps. --- Why develop a map centered on the Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR)? The map originally started as a third party project with no input from Eagle Dynamics. However, as we started to develop DCS: A-10C, we realized that this map could serve as a great location for the A-10C training missions. To make this happen, we officially partnered with the third party team to help make this happen. We were so confident in this endeavor that we included a very early version as part of the original A-10C beta. Unfortunately, due to several reasons, the third party team dissolved and Eagle was left holding the bag of a promised NTTR map to customers that had purchased it as part of A-10C. After taking over the project, it soon became apparent that the current TFCSE engine was incapable of running the map at the desired quality levels vs. performance. In order to realize this map as first envisioned, an entirely new image generator would be required... this later became a key element of the Eagle Dynamics Graphics Engine (EDGE). Building a new IG is never an easy or fast task and EDGE has proved no different. However, the NTTR map as provided an excellent test bed for the new map rendering technologies of EDGE. So, all that being said, the NTTR was developed for the following reasons: 1- For training missions of western aircraft. 2- To honor A-10C beta purchases. 3- Allow creation of Red Flag type missions centered on the NTTR. 4- EDGE technology test bed. --- NOTE: None of this is 100% official. This is me helping you putting information into one spot. What is EDGE? EDGE, dubbed internally, Eagle Dynamic Graphic Engine, is a new Image Generator (IG) built from the ground up that allowed for numerous benefits to the DCS environment. What is the Image Generator (IG) people keep mentioning? An Image Generator (IG) is another way of describing what EDGE is. Image Generator (IG) is a generic term for something that generates the images on your screen. EDGE a self coined term by c0ff to describe the Image Generator (IG) and is simply an acronym. When will EDGE be released? Since EDGE is built from scratch, it will take time to incorporate all the elements that are needed to make it playable at acceptable frame rates. What are the benefits to EDGE? · EDGE allows for Direct X 11 support · Dynamic shadowing of the terrain and mountains · Clipmap support · Higher object count · Higher resolution ground terrain mesh · More detailed tree models · Better graphical effects · High resolution road textures · Ability for road signs and light signals · Additional ground clutter (rocks, cactuses, etc.) Will the Black Sea map in its current form work with EDGE benefits? Somewhat. Since the technology behind EDGE is dramatically different, down to the tools that create it, terrain needs to be built with the EDGE benefits in mind. This is a HUGE undertaking and not an easy task to redo something. HOWEVER, it has been stated that the Black Sea map is not going anywhere. It will still work with EDGE, just not gain all the benefits that a newer map create with EDGE might. Are there maps in progress that take advantage of EDGE? Yes, the first map to take advantage of EDGE is Nevada. The developers of DCS: WWII have said their map will take advantage of EDGE technology. How far along is the Nevada map? It has been stated that the Nevada map is mostly done but work remains to finish the underlying EDGE engine. If the Nevada map is mostly done, why not post some screenshots to the community? EDGE is the underlying core of the Nevada map. If EDGE is in a state where it is not capable of running or showing off its potential, (bad frames, no anti-alisting/ ‘jaggies’, etc), screenshots might not be possible. How big is the Nevada map? At present, the current public information is that the map will be 360 x 360 km that will include Las Vegas, Groom Lake, Nellis, Lake Mead, and Hoover Dam. - Info on the map size - http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1902741&postcount=4 What is the texture resolution of the Nevada map? Per an official update post: "The immediate areas around the three airbases use 1 meter texture resolution. The outlying areas of the map are 16 meter resolution, and the areas in between are between 2 and 4 meter resolution." Will EDGE/ Nevada cost anything? EDGE is rendering engine, so no. It has been stated that the plan is still for the Nevada map to be free for users who pre-ordered DCS: A-10C Warthog beta. So what will Nevada cost if I did not pre-order? See Below How will I switch between maps? When creating a new mission, the authors can specify what map to use. This feature is already implemented but there is only the current map. Typical questions that do not have answers: Will trees be collidable? Are the creation tools going to be made available to the public? What is the cost of Nevada if I did not pre-order DCS: A10C? When will new screenshots be posted? When will it be released? --- June 2013 Work On New Rendering Technology Continues The new Image Generator (IG) technology is currently in development and will be introduced to DCS World when it is ready. Elements of the new IG include: - More detailed terrain. - Better graphical effects - Dedicated server - DirectX 11 support - Skeleton animation for infantry --- A few items to reiterate: 1- Much of the Nevada map is done, but aspects of it could certainly change between now and release. 2- The original effort was done by a third party, but for various reasons, that effort did not work out and the Eagle team basically had to re-start it from scratch. 3- Due to the massive number of ground objects, elevation mesh detail, and texture sizes, a new image generator (IG) had to to be created in order to run it at more than single digit frame rates. Creating a new IG is a huge undertaking and it takes a lot of time. More so than anything else, this has been the reason behind the delay. 4- There has been no change in our plan to make this map available for free to those that purchased the A-10C beta. 5- Given the nature of the map, I would imagine that most missions will revolve around training, but certainly large Red Flag type campaigns are also possible. 6- We have no ETA at this time. New Cloud Options for EDGE: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1900599&postcount=2 When there is a change to any of the above, there will be official news of it. Edited June 13, 2014 by Wags 1 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanch0 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Not bad :smilewink: Awesome. Also, *cough*2 September*cough* :thumbup: PVAF "A fighter without a gun... is like an airplane without a wing" dedicated to F-4 Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris CDN Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Beautiful! Keep up the good work. Those models look amazing. NSDQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scabbers Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 makes me homesick Now where is that speed brakes control again? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 ...But no more grass? Other pics had grass.. Desert ;) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildone_106 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Can't wait to eject over Area52:thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Desert ;) Check the second producers note: desert + grass ;) Its no big deal to me, idc if there is no grass anymore, just curious :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My Sim/Game CV: Falcon 1,3,4. Gunship. A10 TankKiller. Fighter Bomber. Strike eagle 2&3. F19 Stealth Fighter. F117. Wings. F29 Retaliator. Jetfighter II. F16 Fighting Falcon. Strike Commander. F22 Raptor. F16MRF. ATF. EF2000. Longbow 1&2. TankKiller2 Silent Thunder. Hind. Apache Havoc. EECH. EAW. F22 ADF. TAW. Janes WW2,USAF,IAF,F15,F18. F18 Korea. F18 Super Hornet. B17 II. CFS 2. Flanker 2&2.5. BOB. Mig Alley. IL2. LOMAC. IL2FB. FC2. DCS:BS. DCS:A10C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sov13t Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 HDR makes it look toonish... perhaps because it is WIP? 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 51st PVO Regiment | Forum | Statistics DCS: MiG-21Bis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 ....Its no big deal to me, idc if there is no grass anymore, just curious :) As with all things Hog atm - it's a work-in-progress and as such not necessarily indicative of the final product :) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 HDR makes it look toonish... perhaps because it is WIP? I like HDR! :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My Sim/Game CV: Falcon 1,3,4. Gunship. A10 TankKiller. Fighter Bomber. Strike eagle 2&3. F19 Stealth Fighter. F117. Wings. F29 Retaliator. Jetfighter II. F16 Fighting Falcon. Strike Commander. F22 Raptor. F16MRF. ATF. EF2000. Longbow 1&2. TankKiller2 Silent Thunder. Hind. Apache Havoc. EECH. EAW. F22 ADF. TAW. Janes WW2,USAF,IAF,F15,F18. F18 Korea. F18 Super Hornet. B17 II. CFS 2. Flanker 2&2.5. BOB. Mig Alley. IL2. LOMAC. IL2FB. FC2. DCS:BS. DCS:A10C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspec3 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Looks great!! Any chance of a few people here and there? Even just some static figures hanging around would be neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boberro Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Pics are quite pretty, but HDR will be off I think in my case. Baracks look nice, I like them. Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antartis Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Very nicee!!:thumbsup: Asus Prime Z-370-A Intel core I7-8700K 3.70Ghz Ram g.skill f4-3200c16d 32gb Evga rtx 2070 Ssd samgung 960 evo m.2 500gb Syria, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Normandy 1944 Combined Arms A-10C, Mirage-2000C, F-16C, FC3 Spitfire LF Mk. IX UH-1H, Gazelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTFDarkEagle Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Wow! Looks great!!! Can't wait!! Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himti Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Awesome stuff..... Looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power5 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I realize its a WIP. What are the black cloudy areas on the ground? Concrete looks amazing, but the earth looks just blurry and low res. I hope the ground detail matches the runway detail in the final. Stop showing those amazing F15. Will get the fighter jocks begging for DCSE again. :) Also see some F16 in there. Are those new models too? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Panther= Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 What are the black cloudy areas on the ground? Spilled fluids e.g. hydraulic, JP-8, and other various fluids. 1 Twitch Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Z390 Aorus Xtreme, i9 9900k, G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB, 1080ti 11GB, Obutto R3Volution, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, TPR, Cougar MFDs, FSSB R3L, JetSeat, Oculus Rift S, Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC, F/A-18C UFC, Tek Creations F-16 ICP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 and other various fluids. Ewwwwwwwwwww. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybob9 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Ewwwwwwwwwww. The planes need their pipes flushed out too you know... And for those who asked about runway signs....you have your answer :) Nevada map contributer EDM Modeling tools FAQ: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1418067&postcount=1 Seo libh a chairde is chanadh liom. Líonaigí'n oíche le greann is le spórt. Seo sláinte na gcarad atá imithe uainn. Mar cheo an tsléibhe uaine, iad imithe go deo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) Wags Thanks for a great job. What amazing photos, many Wags. Wags I have questions about this scenario of Nevada. * We will have the opportunity to fly in the Grand Canyon? * We see the city of "Las Vegas" as is now taking off to the south west of the Nellis base? ... Me explain see hotels in the streets and parks of this city famous? * The scenario has improved or put option addons to give more details? * Other DCS simulation series also have the option to have this stage or is exclusive to American aircraft and helicopters in the future sell or DCS? * This scenario, and even the Black Sea provide navigational aids such as lights PAPI, airways, VOR, ADF and NDB?. In previous editions of Lock On and DCS were not taken into account. I personally have a set of PAPI lights approach is very important, it helps me to approach safely. So I wonder whether such aid is included in this scenario? I hope they understand me because my English is fair. Again thanks for the photos, go up to my forum: 701 Squadron Colombia. Edited September 2, 2010 by Spook [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaNk0 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Really nice screen shots. Any chance we can see it by night? :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shu77 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Wow this looks awesome. Heres hoping thats where I will be spending my Christmas break.... :) Hornet, Super Carrier, Warthog & (II), Mustang, Spitfire, Albatross, Sabre, Combined Arms, FC3, Nevada, Gulf, Normandy, Syria AH-6J i9 10900K @ 5.0GHz, Gigabyte Z490 Vision G, Cooler Master ML120L, Gigabyte RTX3080 OC Gaming 10Gb, 64GB RAM, Reverb G2 @ 2480x2428, TM Warthog, Saitek pedals & throttle, DIY collective, TrackIR4, Cougar MFDs, vx3276-2k Combat Wombat's Airfield & Enroute Maps and Planning Tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw24 Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Nice work! Spoiler: MSI Z790 Carbon WIFI, i9 14900KF, 64GB DDR4, MSI RTX 4090, Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate MCG Pro w/200mm Extension, Winwing Orion Rudder Pedals W/damper, UTC MK II Pro, Virpil TCS Plus Collective, Dell AW3418DW Gsync monitor, 970 Pro M2 1TB (for DCS), Playseat Air Force Seat, KW-980 Jetseat, Vaicom Pro, 3X TM Cougar with Lilliput 8" screens. Tek Creations panels and controllers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
636_Castle Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Have to agree I'm not a fan of the bloom, but I'm STOKED for some Nellis test range flying! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krippz Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Thanks for the update Wags. Keep up the hardwork; cant wait to see the final product. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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