Cali Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Just get 12GB, that's half way between the 2 :D i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
spikenet Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 use the extra RAM to make a RAMDRIVE to run your pagefile and temp files from. If your really keen you could set it up to copy the game to ramdisk on boot then it will load up super fast :)
Sappo Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Just upgraded myself, also went with 16gb For the price of RAM (now) there is zero reason not to, we're talking $30-40 difference between a 8gb kit and 16gb kit
Fakum Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Wow,, great feedback,, opinions from both sides,,, Im not sure about the comment that "more ram = slower ram" though,, that concerns me,,, will it slow down or impede overclocking? Windows 10 Pro - 64 Bit / ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming / AMD 7800X3D / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB DDR5 6000 Ram / SSD M.2 SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB / MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X 24G / SteelSeries Arctis 7 Headset /LG-Ultragear 38" IPS LED Ultrawide HD Monitor (3840 x 1600) / Track IR4 / Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals / Virpil HOTAS VPC Constellation ALPHA-R & VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle
Ghanja Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 This probably refers to the fact, that having 4 memory modules (compared to 2) in your system causes a higher "load" on the overall bus when overclocking (raising the bus clock) and that might cause some instabilties. I don't see any reason for a slowdown though. As long as the speed (e.g. 1333 MHz) and the CL (e.g. 8 or 9) stays the same there won't be any slowdowns. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] .:: My System ::. .:: My Paintings ::.
Sappo Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Wow,, great feedback,, opinions from both sides,,, Im not sure about the comment that "more ram = slower ram" though,, that concerns me,,, will it slow down or impede overclocking? My upgrade was same as yours i5 2500k, 16gb ram, SSD, already had a video card. etc Let me tell you, with a decent ($40) aftermarket cpu cooler, I overclocked EASILY to 4.5ghz This thing is running so fast its almost criminal :)
BaD CrC Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Went from 6Gb (running out of memory in Win7 64 with Aero auto switch off in game) to 24 Gb (bought the whole 24Gb kit for compatibility). 24gb Gskill PC12800 DDR3 for 124 euros. Really incredibly low (costed me twice the price 3 years ago for 6 Gb!). Put back the very same O/C settings in my BIOS and got exactly the same O/C working fine. https://www.blacksharkden.com http://discord.gg/blacksharkden
Fakum Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 This probably refers to the fact, that having 4 memory modules (compared to 2) in your system causes a higher "load" on the overall bus when overclocking (raising the bus clock) and that might cause some instabilties. I don't see any reason for a slowdown though. As long as the speed (e.g. 1333 MHz) and the CL (e.g. 8 or 9) stays the same there won't be any slowdowns. Hmmmmm,,, so couldnt I get just 2 sticks of 8 Gig, instead of 4 sticks of 4 Gig to resolve that theory? Windows 10 Pro - 64 Bit / ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming / AMD 7800X3D / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB DDR5 6000 Ram / SSD M.2 SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB / MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X 24G / SteelSeries Arctis 7 Headset /LG-Ultragear 38" IPS LED Ultrawide HD Monitor (3840 x 1600) / Track IR4 / Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals / Virpil HOTAS VPC Constellation ALPHA-R & VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle
Ghanja Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Actually that would be a solution. But as I had said: it used to be like that with older systems but I really don't know if modern systems are that picky when it comes to a full load of memory modules. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] .:: My System ::. .:: My Paintings ::.
RobbySpike Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Just open the task manager before starting DCS and check how much the load was [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "It's a good landing, if you can still get the doors open"
Sappo Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Hmmmmm,,, so couldnt I get just 2 sticks of 8 Gig, instead of 4 sticks of 4 Gig to resolve that theory? Exactly what I did... 2 - 8 gig sticks of G.Skills Ripjaws 1333mhz And leaves me room for another set of 8 gig sticks down the road Must better option than maxing out all 4 slots now, and having no room to expand in the future
hopeless Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Explain? I've read filling up all ram slots can put extra strain on the memory controller on a motherboard, so a previously stable overclock with 8gb or ram could become unstable with 16gb. I also read somewhere command rates for memory can change which effectively reduces the bandwidth of ram and slows down as more is added. Then again, I don't know a great deal about computers. Maybe someone else can chime in.
Sappo Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I think you're right in the fact that the more ram installed means the bus has to be split x number of times for the increased capacity. I could be way off... Also seem to remember reading a post saying just because the 'reported' speed of the ram is now half what it is on the box, it is still running top speed. Really the only ones that should be concerned about if they are getting that extra 1.0 mhz or 0.5mhz boost, are probably already stressing over the color cable ties they use. 1
Dejjvid Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 SSD is the best upgrade in computer technology since the cpu itself. Says it all :p srsly, get an SATA3 or better SSD, you are not gonna believe how fast your computer gets. i7 8700K | GTX 1080 Ti | 32GB RAM | 500GB M.2 SSD | TIR5 w/ Trackclip Pro | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder [sigpic]http://www.132virtualwing.org[/sigpic]
Fakum Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 I am getting a SSD, I was asking about the ram here. Thanks Windows 10 Pro - 64 Bit / ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming / AMD 7800X3D / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB DDR5 6000 Ram / SSD M.2 SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB / MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X 24G / SteelSeries Arctis 7 Headset /LG-Ultragear 38" IPS LED Ultrawide HD Monitor (3840 x 1600) / Track IR4 / Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals / Virpil HOTAS VPC Constellation ALPHA-R & VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle
Depth Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I've read filling up all ram slots can put extra strain on the memory controller on a motherboard, so a previously stable overclock with 8gb or ram could become unstable with 16gb. I also read somewhere command rates for memory can change which effectively reduces the bandwidth of ram and slows down as more is added. Then again, I don't know a great deal about computers. Maybe someone else can chime in. This is true for older chipsets with lower bandwidth. Adding a chip taxed the bus and memory controller and when it recognized another load had been placed (a 2GB or a 8 GB chip has nearly the same load, X amount of channels per chip) it had to compensate by either increase voltage, decrease bus clock or increase the timings of the chip. On THIS chipset the memory controller is designed for it. In order to strain it at all you'd have to task the entire CPU with nothing but memory input/output. And if it's the case that you're running the system on 100% load all day and all night, the added ram will benefit a lot more than it will take away. Won't matter at all outside benchmarks. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
agrasyuk Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 i just upgraded to 16Gb kit and there is no performance boost in DCS whatsoever, 8GB was plenty.not that i expected any boost. did so since i'm building another machine (thats where the 8Gb kit will go) and purchasing any less at current price does seem strange. and it will be nice to have for the VM. Anton. My pit build thread . Simple and cheap UFC project
hopeless Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 ah ok, thanks guys. I suppose it couldn't hurt to add more ram then. I'll end up kicking myself if/when prices rise. cheers
Fakum Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 thanks for clearing that up. Iam just getting a parts list together, and was going to wait until Presidents day sales,, do you think memory prices will be up by then or is it safe to wait a month? Windows 10 Pro - 64 Bit / ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming / AMD 7800X3D / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB DDR5 6000 Ram / SSD M.2 SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB / MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X 24G / SteelSeries Arctis 7 Headset /LG-Ultragear 38" IPS LED Ultrawide HD Monitor (3840 x 1600) / Track IR4 / Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals / Virpil HOTAS VPC Constellation ALPHA-R & VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle
MustangSally Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I've read filling up all ram slots can put extra strain on the memory controller on a motherboard, so a previously stable overclock with 8gb or ram could become unstable with 16gb. I also read somewhere command rates for memory can change which effectively reduces the bandwidth of ram and slows down as more is added. Then again, I don't know a great deal about computers. Maybe someone else can chime in. Have had my 2600k with 16gig ram overclocked to 4.6ghz for nearly 7mths now. All my benchmarking has shown that there is negligible if any impact going from 8 to 16gig ram. Ryzen 9 7950X3D - MSI MAG X670E TomaHawk MB, ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 AIO 64gig Corsair DDR5@6000, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 AORUS Winwing Super Taurus, Orion2, TO / Combat panels, Collective with Topgun MIP Winwing Skywalker pedals, NLR Boeing Mil Edition Simpit, 55" Samsung Odyssey Ark, Trackir
BTTW-DratsaB Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 What about going from 4gb to 8gb. Anyone got any experience of the kind of performance boost that might give? Specs: GA-Z87X-UD3H, i7-4770k, 16GB, RTX2060, SB AE-5, 750watt Corsair PSU, X52, Track IR4, Win10x64. Sim Settings: Textures: ? | Scenes: ? |Water: ? | Visibility Range: ? | Heat Blur: ? | Shadows: ? | Res: 1680x1050 | Aspect: 16:10 | Monitors: 1 Screen | MSAA: ? | Tree Visibility: ? | Vsync: On | Mirrors: ? | Civ Traffic: High | Res Of Cockpit Disp: 512 | Clutter: ? | Fullscreen: On
jeffyd123 Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 i was just running 4 gigs on an AMD Phenom, I got 8 gig (2 sticks) of GSkill 21300 (for a later i7 or i5 upgrade) and it easily doubled my framerates in heavy-load missions. 4 gig was pretty much all used up by DCS-A-10. I also just upgraded my vid card to a 560Ti and that made another big jump. i7 8700K @ 4.4Ghz, 16G 3200 RAM, Nvidia 1080Ti, T16000 HOTAS, TIR5, 75" DLP Monitor
WildBillKelsoe Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 In the middle of a new build cause my MOBO fried! Having A-10 withdraws now as well,,,, ANYWAY,, going with an i5 2500k CPU & SSD w/Win 7 ULT 64,,, was wondering if it was going to be worth going with 16 gig of ram vs 8 in regards to DCS A-10 Performance? Thanks My laptop is i5 2.4-2.9 GHz and I just upgraded my mem module to 2 X 4Gb instead of factory 2 x 2Gb.. No difference in performance. Highly unadvised.. My thought would be for you to save a little, get a higher processor 3.2Ghz - ish... and a compatible MB with 8Gb preinstalled.. That is what I would do if I had the money... AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
AtaliaA1 Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 My laptop is i5 2.4-2.9 GHz and I just upgraded my mem module to 2 X 4Gb instead of factory 2 x 2Gb.. No difference in performance. Highly unadvised.. My thought would be for you to save a little, get a higher processor 3.2Ghz - ish... and a compatible MB with 8Gb preinstalled.. That is what I would do if I had the money... Ram is better thought of as the ability to "Multi Task" more powerfuly than to think it will some how allow for more speed. Chipset speeds removed the need to have a northbridge wich amounted to speed in relationship to ram. Not so today. This was a Boutique Builder iBuypower rig. Until I got the tinker bug again i7 920 @3.6Mhz 12Gig Corsair XMS3 ram 1600 Nvidia 760 SLi w/4Gig DDR5 Ram Intel 310 SSD HDD 160 Gb + Western Digital 4Terabyte HDD Creative SB X-Fi HD Audio Logitech X-530 5.1 Surround Speaker System Dual Acer 32"Monitors. PSU 1200 w Thermaltake Win10 64Bit.
WildBillKelsoe Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Ram is better thought of as the ability to "Multi Task" more powerfuly than to think it will some how allow for more speed. Chipset speeds removed the need to have a northbridge wich amounted to speed in relationship to ram. Not so today. OKaaaayyyy.... Ummmm... I am not really Tech savvy as you are man... So... :megalol: AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
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