What do you think about P-51D and Flying Legends?

[NineLine]

If I'm to say one thing that may show my more skeptical side then it's the worry that the dollars-in-the-eyes have started to appear amongst ED's management who now have more of an ambition of profiteering in mind whilst keeping potential customers hanging on to what may or may not be next.

 

I am not sure I see that, I mean if they were all about the money they would pump stuff out alot faster than this and probably not near the quality they have been producing. If I was going to be scared or worried about anything is that maybe they are having issues acquiring enough info to model another top fighter, and that is the hold up on an announcement, but that is all just random thoughts not based in any facts what so ever :)

[Bodo]

Heh, true, but it's an interesting thought...

 

Ah the rumour mill.

 

Anyway, true sith, I think I'd possibly agree with your first sentence.

I'll look forward to the Mustang!

[jp203000]

It appears ED to be in monopoly position ,but It's not. People have already decided next is F18, but there's seven-g with more than 80% work has been finished.I think if ED cannot put out first , ED will ultimately pay a heavy price.

[Jona33]

Thing is. We dont know the f18 is next. Plus this is about flying legends not the fighter.

Edited February 24, 2012 by Jona33
Damn Phone...

[leafer]

Well, this particular flying legend was one of the premiere fighters in wwII. :D

[mnrty]

thing is. We dont know the f18 is next. Plus this is about flying legends not the fighter.

 

+1

[StoOopiD]

check this out

 

[tflash]

To fly the P-51D today in DCS, I would expect some off-the-shelf avionics to be modelled; such as a modern radio and a GPS kit.

 

See e.g. this video from 2:00 onwards

 

Edited February 26, 2012 by tflash
eliminated some unnecessary statements

[effte]

What you need depends entirely on what you want to do... and, all too often these days in the case of GPS, your own ability and/or lack thereof.

 

If you want to thread your way through a crowded complex airspace in a high-performance fighter while keeping your eyes out of the cockpit, well, then I'll be starting to agree that you need a GPS, at least to the point where it would be stupid to go without one. In other words, once we get the L.A. scenery I'm prepared to vote for the addition of a GPS.

 

Until then, I volunteer to help people learn navigation by map, clock and compass. It's great fun, and you'll miss out on it if you hit Ctrl-G and bring out the portable Garmin attached to the glareshield (in which case I do hope a 50 degree misalignment of the compass is simulated... :D).

 

My impression of the DCS series community is that it is certainly not made up of people who shy away from challenges, so I think we'll be seeing a marked rise in the navigation capabilities once the Mustang hits our hard drives. :thumbup:

 

As for an upgraded radio, I agree. I want to cooperate with those flying A-10s and Ka-50s, which means the radio is indeed needed.

 

Cheers,

Fred

Edited February 26, 2012 by effte
Missing Words is a great song, but not so great in a forum post.

[EtherealN]

Meh, GPS. It's not a primary navigation instrument. If you can't navigate without it, you shouldn't navigate with it either. Instead you should learn to navigate. :)

 

(Not being flippant, that's an almost direct quote from my navigation class.)

Agreed with effte as well, navigating old-school is actually lots of fun and not as difficult as people might think at first glance.

[tflash]

Since I do like to fly the vanilla Su-25 often in Lockon, it's not that I would shy away from some rustic navigation. It's just that we live in the 21st century and it would be rather unrealistic if you would actually try to fly a P-51D in combat today, make the effort to remount the guns and get them going, and fail to install a GPS kit that you can buy for less than 1000$.

And OK, GPS jamming does exist but is not really to be expected common in a scenario where you would be flying a P-51D today.

The Collins pilots do not seem to me some newbies shying away from serious aviation, no?

[159th_Viper]

....navigating old-school is actually lots of fun and not as difficult as people might think at first glance.

 

That's the problem with us old-timers........On the current map we stick our head out of the cockpit and know exactly where we are - no need for maps, compasses and the like :D

[effte]

Viper,

that only tells me you fly with far too good visibility... ;)

[Krebs20]

Everyday I check these fourms for the DCS:NEXT. Everyday I check the other (non-ED) sim boards. The more I read about DCS mustang. The less excited I become for it. How do I feel about ED working on Mustang? I feel about the same as when I read valve release another game with no word on half-life 3. I'm happy to see another great sim/game on the market. I'm sad its not the sim/game I want to play.

[MemphisBelle]

Everyday I check these fourms for the DCS:NEXT. Everyday I check the other (non-ED) sim boards. The more I read about DCS mustang. The less excited I become for it. How do I feel about ED working on Mustang? I feel about the same as when I read valve release another game with no word on half-life 3. I'm happy to see another great sim/game on the market. I'm sad its not the sim/game I want to play.

 

dont bother, the post you´re looking for will come. I suggest not to look each day for updates. Play another game for a while (may be Half Life 2 :) ).

I am sure that by the End of June or July we will know what is next...we probably will have an open beta release again (hope so)

[EtherealN]

That's the problem with us old-timers........On the current map we stick our head out of the cockpit and know exactly where we are - no need for maps, compasses and the like :D

 

The difference is that "my" method allows me to navigate, without GPS, in areas where I have never ever been and where there are no landmarks. I invite you to do contact-flying from Lissabon to the Azores, for example... :P

(And of course, just setting a compass heading doesn't work either since you'll be blown off course and need to have this in your route planning.)

 

And in the case of a recent experience - night-flying across sibiria. I wasn't the pilot (airline), but doing contact flying across a vast region, during night, where there's not a single light on the ground is obviously a pretty bad idea. :P

[effte]

Krebs,

I know the feeling. The other night, the movie I wanted to see was on channel 4. Yet, they were playing other movies on all the other channels!

 

Imagine my feelings of outrage, abandonment and despair! Sure, I got to see my movie, but a lot of other people got to see other movies which I didn't care about. All work should be focused on bringing me the movies I care about, so what are they doing airing all the rest?!

 

Now I'm off to find places where people are discussing those other movies in order tell them how deeply disturbed I am about the existence of their movies.

 

;)

Edited February 26, 2012 by effte
Smiley added, just to make sure.

[Krebs20]

Lol. I agree with you effte. But the fourms topic is what do you think about P51. Thoughts don't have to logical.

 

Also. My movie hasn't been made yet.

Edited February 26, 2012 by Krebs20

[159th_Viper]

....But the fourms topic is how do you think about P51....

 

You should wait until you get your hands on it and then make an informed decision one way or another - don't dismiss it out-of-hand :)

 

@effte: Yeah - I'm lucky that way. I decide when the weather is suitable for flying, or not :P

[Krebs20]

I will "watch" this movie. I will even enjoy it. It's just not the movie I want to see.

[effte]

And OK, GPS jamming does exist but is not really to be expected common in a scenario where you would be flying a P-51D today.

 

I'd expect GPS jamming (and even spoofing) in every area of conflict. You don't want to know how cheap and available those devices are. Jamming receivers which have access to the military GPS signals is just slightly more difficult, so the basic assumption has to be that GPS will not be available for use.

 

I can't see a Mustang getting equipped with an INS, even if thrown in as FAC or the like in a modern conflict.

 

Regarding the Collins foundation, see previous post regarding airspace. Also consider the distinction between what you wrote, i e needing, and wanting.

 

Finally, you're approaching being an order of magnitude off regarding the price of an approved panel-mount GPS unit. :)

[159th_Viper]

I will "watch" this movie. I will even enjoy it. It's just not the movie I want to see.

 

Well said!

 

That's almost how I feel and will continue to feel up to the day, if ever, that the development of a СУ-25 variant is announced :)

[Peyoteros]

That makes two of us ...

:devil_2:

 

Well said!

 

That's almost how I feel and will continue to feel up to the day, if ever, that the development of a СУ-25 variant is announced :)

[tflash]

I'd expect GPS jamming (and even spoofing) in every area of conflict. You don't want to know how cheap and available those devices are. Jamming receivers which have access to the military GPS signals is just slightly more difficult, so the basic assumption has to be that GPS will not be available for use.

 

Well, no need to keep arguing about this: I agree the main thing we need is radio communication woth other planes; so a VHF radio that can have the right frequenties would do the job.

Edited February 26, 2012 by tflash
changed my mind :D

[JimMack]

No serious pilot will fly the P-51 today using compass as a navigation tool. (most will just fly short tours in visible conditions anyway) Only simmers would do this. That's the "reality" of it. :D

 

Actually, at TFC we do fly our aircraft to air shows to continental Europe without GPS in the cockpit.

 

However, the pilots may have a pocket Garmin with them, but I'll have to ask them next week.

I do know their flight planning is extremely detailed with maps/charts all over the pilot's ready room!

Edited February 26, 2012 by JimMack