Mt5_Roie Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Looking at the manual it's not really covered. But how does one navigate in a P51? I would assume you could use roads and landmarks for visual navigation, but is there a way to fly to a specific waypoint? I know in RL they have VOR and NBDs for aids... Coder - Oculus Rift Guy - Court Jester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Map, compass & stopwatch. That's it. Spoiler Intel 13900K (5Ghz), 64Gb 6400Mhz, MSi RTX 3090, Schiit Modi/Magi DAC/AMP, ASUS PG43UQ, Hotas Warthog, RealSimulator FSSB3, 2x TM MFDs + DCS MFDs, MFG Crosswinds, Elgato Steamdeck XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt5_Roie Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 Is using a stopwatch app on the IPhone considered bad form? Coder - Oculus Rift Guy - Court Jester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
element1108 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Is using a stopwatch app on the IPhone considered bad form? Good forum... Use whatever means necessary ;)...especially if you can get from point a to b without f10 ;) :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 To navigate you obviously use the kneeboard! (HJ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jona33 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Is using a stopwatch app on the IPhone considered bad form? How would it. It just means you can be on facebook and navigate in a game. :D Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt5_Roie Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 I guess landing to stop and ask for directions would be unmanly. Coder - Oculus Rift Guy - Court Jester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I guess landing to stop and ask for directions would be unmanly. lol, overall if the guys you're asking has holes in their trucks from your guns from 5 minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Gorgonzola Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I guess landing to stop and ask for directions would be unmanly. Depends on the terrain, I'd assume. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Gorgonzola Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Map, compass & stopwatch. That's it. You have the Radio Indicator Compass and you could have the Detrola if it would have been implemented. But still, navigation is not fo' whimps in the Mustang ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Read about the P-51, and other, pilots based in Australia during the War. At the outset only a tiny percentage of the continent had been mapped so keeping track of how you got to where you are was rather important.;) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effte Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 The art of navigation comes down to knowing the difference between where you are and where you are not. If you know where you've been, and where you've gone, then you can deduce where you are not and subtract that from the possible locations where you may be, once you've gone there from where you are, and then calculate backwards from where you aren't to where you are. Easy as pie! ;) ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysim Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 where ever you go, thats where you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 where ever you go, thats where you are. "No matter where you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahger Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 The thing is, ED has not created a WW2 sim here. Instead, the world its P-51 flies in is full of contemporary details and equipment. Having no navaids at all is therefore just a little bit of a cop-out. I assume most warplanes currently flying have been retrofitted with GPS or VORs. I know ED want to create as perfect a recreation of the "classic" Mustang as possible -- and I'm loving it, it's the best stick and rudder flying I've ever done in a sim -- but later in the life of this product I think they should issue a VFR chart of the region and/or a VOR/OBS-equipped aircraft, or, realistically, and given it's not set in WW2, this P-51 is a VFR-only aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wichid Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Sounds like an idea for a mod to me. Lyndiman AMD Ryzen 3600 / RTX 2070 Super / 32G Ram / Win10 / TrackIR 5 Pro / Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS & MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailgate Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Get out your map, ruler and bow compass. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) Old WW2 warplanes used to navigate by LORAN up until the late 60s. There are still LORAN stations available, but they arent really used anymore. I dont have P-51, but there should be a radio receiver in the cockpit somewhere where you can dial-a-LORAN station. But LORAN also has to be modelled in the sim as well. Russia uses a similar system called CHAYKA. Most LORAN stations are now off the air as of 2010, as well as CHAYKA. But the systems can still be brought back online. Edited May 3, 2012 by hitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoshi Tiger Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Guess you could always use your Flight Computer for any quick calculations required. (Newer version depicted but similar computers were in use) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 The art of navigation comes down to knowing the difference between where you are and where you are not. If you know where you've been, and where you've gone, then you can deduce where you are not and subtract that from the possible locations where you may be, once you've gone there from where you are, and then calculate backwards from where you aren't to where you are. Easy as pie! ;) Hope that's apple pie cos I'm lost... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XarBat Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Speaking of which, it really would be nice to see a 3D in game kneeboard with the pilot model turned off. It would be even better if you could change it to a tablet PC in the options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krebs20 Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 I thought the DCS map had NDBs or was I mistaken. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 in the sim, there is a command to mark current location on kneeboard. it will be a triangle on the kneeboard toggled.. And the page for limitations needs the background image a bit less opaque... it's difficult to read on the fly.. Unless someone mods it.. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErichVon Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) in the sim, there is a command to mark current location on kneeboard. it will be a triangle on the kneeboard toggled.. And the page for limitations needs the background image a bit less opaque... it's difficult to read on the fly.. Unless someone mods it.. I use the kneeboard. On my Fighterstick I use a 4-way hat: up to toggle it on or off; left goes back a page; right goes forward a page; down uses that location triangle that shows where I am and the indicated time. BUT if I go off the kneeboard map, I am screwed. What to do when you lose both compasses to dogfight damage? Has happened to me. I lost just about all my rotary flight instruments on the front dashboard and made it back to land it. The A.I. guy in the off-line one-on-one, P-51 against P-51, is unmerciful. Just a few pings and he does quite a bit of aircraft damage. Using the kneeboard map and the identifier triangle is how I got back to base. One of the kneeboard maps is upside down. Intentional? Also it is possible to zoom in on the in-cockpit pilot's kneeboard, too. Nice thing about playing a map repeatedly is terrain identifiers to remember where you are and where you are going, like uniquely shaped hills or mountain peaks. Edited May 10, 2012 by ErichVon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Case Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I've been flying enough to find my way visually in the area of the Georgian west coast. (Batumi, Senaiki, Kobuleti, Kutaisi etc) If I go to far east though, I'm lost as well! http://www.masterarms.se A Swedish Combat Flight Simulator Community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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