Yammo Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 Probably going to draw 100 flames on this one... ...but this is my pov and I need to get it off my chest. I really did get a bit miffed when I realized bulky stuff like screenshots were being saved under "users" on my System-drive, instead of onto the drive I assigned for the install of the game. While I usually prefer programs to stay in the folders I assign to them, I don't really mind if ini-files, etc, gets saved under users. But when it comes to bulky stuff like screenshots, I really think it would be (if nothing else) polite to at least ask the user where he/she would prefer the data to be stored as some of us have SSDs(you know that drive that is expensive, fast but has VERY limited space) as system-drives that we wish to keep for system stuff ONLY. </rant> And before I get jumped with moving the documents folder or making a subst they can both end up crashing programs so I'd rather not.
Nate--IRL-- Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 I can sympathise - but basically this was forced upon the sim, due to the amount of problems people were having with UAC. Nate 1 Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
PeterP Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) Please understand that this is how windows maintains different users - it is only allowed for a user to write in his own account to prevent problems. You are barking at the wrong Moon - write a letter to Microsoft! Edited June 4, 2012 by PeterP
Cp Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 You could move the screenshot folder from your user folder to the install folder of the sim and then create a symlink back to your user folder, thus the computer thinks it saves the screenshots in the user folder but instead they go in your install folder.
Mouse Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 Understand that this is the way things have done in Windows, Unix, OS X, and Linux for a long while. From a software design standpoint, the correct way to store user-created files in a multi-user environment is in the given user's home folders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_directory You're welcome to kvetch about it, but understand that ED should not abandon good software design principals just because a few users have an atypical configuration. And yes, whether you like it or not, using a solid-state drive as you are is currently an atypical configuration. I elected not to use them when I built my system about 6 months ago for that exact reason. The solution is not for ED to change their system. You should consider alternative software for taking screenshots, which may allow you to save the files in an atypical location outside of your user folder. Alternatively you may search for a way to change the location of user folders so that they are not on the SSD. I cannot say if this is possible but I would guess that it is. (If you can network boot 16 computers from a single master drive kept in the closet, well, why not?) Assuming that it is possible, this would be the "correct" way to configure your system. In summary: it is ED's responsibility to make sure their software is well-behaved, meaning that it stays within the user folder. It is your responsibility to make sure the user folders are located on the physical drive where you want well-behaved software to save files. 2
joey45 Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 After you exit the game move the screenshots onto a different drive. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
cichlidfan Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 After you exit the game move the screenshots onto a different drive. Get a bigger SSD so it is not a crisis if you have stuff collect there for a day or three.;) ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Double_D Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 Get a bigger SSD so it is not a crisis if you have stuff collect there for a day or three.;) Or after collecting the SS's move them to another drive and free up the Screenies..in the user account thats what I do...:music_whistling: [TABLE][/url][sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic89949_15.gif[/sIGPIC][/Table] Recruiting for Aerobatic Team/Fighter Group... My Youtube channel
kiss4luna Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 you can relocate that system folder to anywhere you like, just right click the saved games folder and choose properties, RTX 3070
Daniel M Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) Symbolic link the folder to a non ssd drive? Edit: though i do understand the frustration, it's not that high of a priority IMHO Edited June 5, 2012 by Daniel M edit:
EtherealN Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) What ED has done here is, as has been mentioned, the standard and "correct" way to do things. Screenshots that you take while in your account are part of user data, thus go into user folder. If you have an abnormal configuration where this causes a problem, you can solve this easily: Right-click the Saved Games folder in your user directory, and select Properties, like so: Then find Location tab, select to move it, and then decide where you want it. Essentially, User files are part of the system drive, that's how the OS itself is designed, but as indicated above you can move things around to suit your configuration. No need for ED to start using non-standard practices. Rather, you should keep some user files in mind when deciding on the size of your system drive, because Windows (and most flavors of Unix, Linux, BSD, OSX etcetera) is specifically designed to work like this. Another possibility is to make a simple cronned bat that moves data-intensive stuff over to some other location a little now and then. Edited June 5, 2012 by EtherealN 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Outlaw24 Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 EtheraIn, nice job with the explanation and scree shots. Spoiler: MSI Z790 Carbon WIFI, i9 14900KF, 64GB DDR4, MSI RTX 4090, VKB STECS Mk ll throttle, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate MCG Pro w/200mm Extension, Winwing Orion Rudder Pedals W/damper, Wingwin Monitors/MFD's, UTC MK II Pro, Virpil TCS Plus Collective, MSI 34" QD-OLED @240Hz monitor, Samsung 970 Pro M2 2TB (for DCS), Playseat Air Force Seat, KW-980 Jetseat, Vaicom Pro, Tek Creations panels and controllers.
PoleCat Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 What ED has done here is, as has been mentioned, the standard and "correct" way to do things. Screenshots that you take while in your account are part of user data, thus go into user folder. If you have an abnormal configuration where this causes a problem, you can solve this easily: Right-click the Saved Games folder in your user directory, and select Properties, like so: Then find Location tab, select to move it, and then decide where you want it. Essentially, User files are part of the system drive, that's how the OS itself is designed, but as indicated above you can move things around to suit your configuration. No need for ED to start using non-standard practices. Rather, you should keep some user files in mind when deciding on the size of your system drive, because Windows (and most flavors of Unix, Linux, BSD, OSX etcetera) is specifically designed to work like this. Another possibility is to make a simple cronned bat that moves data-intensive stuff over to some other location a little now and then. Spot on again.. Nothing to see here, never was. Simple user misunderstanding...please move along. :D Out http://www.104thphoenix.com/
Yammo Posted June 6, 2012 Author Posted June 6, 2012 I can sympathise - but basically this was forced upon the sim, due to the amount of problems people were having with UAC. Nate Thanks for a sane reply. I guess I can understand that p.o.v. ~S~
Yammo Posted June 6, 2012 Author Posted June 6, 2012 This was a mere rant as I don't agree with this being a "good practise" and I had to get it off my chest. :) Case is closed as I've scripted the bulky stuff to be bounced off to the ED folder on my raid at the time of writing my post. Thanks everyone for your helping attempts... 10 out of 10 for effort... Though, most of you might benefit from reading the full post before replying next time. :) ~S~ :pilotfly:
Irregular programming Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) This was a mere rant as I don't agree with this being a "good practise" and I had to get it off my chest. :) Case is closed as I've scripted the bulky stuff to be bounced off to the ED folder on my raid at the time of writing my post. Thanks everyone for your helping attempts... 10 out of 10 for effort... Though, most of you might benefit from reading the full post before replying next time. :) ~S~ :pilotfly: Sorry but there is nothing to agree or disagree on, it is best practice to use the User folder when writing to the disk. The only way not to have it that way is if you get another operating system. You then for no reason refuse to fix your problem (files taking space on your ssd) which easily done by moving the folder as already described. If you don't want to do it because of religious reasons or whatever fine but don't complain when the actual solution is given to you. Edited June 6, 2012 by Irregular programming
hsth Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 The solution for the relocation works fine for folders like My Documents, My Music etcetera. All MS Office will look for your files in the right place after relocating these directories. But, DCS doesn't. After relocating the Saved Games directory you'll find that after the first time you've started DCS you'll have two Saved Games directories. Despite that the first line in the me.log says that it uses the new location for Saved Games it also creates a new one in the users directory. And it keeps both directories updated.
Rusty_M Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 I relocated my user's folder to another drive, and I only have one saved games folder. That resides on my storage drive, not my OS drive. The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine! http://www.twitch.tv/rusty_the_robot https://www.youtube.com/user/RustyRobotGaming
EtherealN Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) The solution for the relocation works fine for folders like My Documents, My Music etcetera. All MS Office will look for your files in the right place after relocating these directories. But, DCS doesn't. After relocating the Saved Games directory you'll find that after the first time you've started DCS you'll have two Saved Games directories. Despite that the first line in the me.log says that it uses the new location for Saved Games it also creates a new one in the users directory. And it keeps both directories updated. Unable to replicate. I moved my SavedGames directory to D:\, worked perfectly, and no "extra" Saved Games folder has been created anywhere. Are you being confused by the fact that you can still find the Saved Games folder when clicking your user account? That does not mean there is a duplicate folder there, it only means Windows is placing the usual link in the usual place. The "duplicate" Saved Games folder is a link to (in my case) D:\SavedGames. There are not two copies of it. This is why it "keeps both directories updated"; there is only one directory, however, the directory is displayed by Windows in several locations. (This is called a symbolic link, mount-point or any of a multitude of other things depending on which OS you use. You could, for example, use similar functions to have an SSD contain only C:\Windows, while everything else on C:\ gets mounted onto another physical hard drive; in which case C:\Program Files and D:\Program Files (for an example) could be exactly the same thing. ;) ) (Yes, this is after running a DCS: World mission.) You can still use C:\Users\Daniel\Saved Games\. The operating system will understand what I want, since it knows where I have set the location of that folder. So at present, C:\Users\Daniel\Saved Games\ actually means D:\SavedGames\ . If I brose to either of those two adresses, I end up in the same place; which is a location on the D:\ drive. Edited June 6, 2012 by EtherealN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
hsth Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 Thanks for your reply, it now makes sense what's happening.
Chrischn89 Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 Different question: Why is there no option to set the default folders when trying to load/save a .trk file? I hate to naviagte through my whole harddisc everytime just to get to the folder where I installed DCS:W..!
Tango Posted June 6, 2012 Posted June 6, 2012 Probably going to draw 100 flames on this one... ...but this is my pov and I need to get it off my chest. I really did get a bit miffed when I realized bulky stuff like screenshots were being saved under "users" on my System-drive, instead of onto the drive I assigned for the install of the game. While I usually prefer programs to stay in the folders I assign to them, I don't really mind if ini-files, etc, gets saved under users. But when it comes to bulky stuff like screenshots, I really think it would be (if nothing else) polite to at least ask the user where he/she would prefer the data to be stored as some of us have SSDs(you know that drive that is expensive, fast but has VERY limited space) as system-drives that we wish to keep for system stuff ONLY. </rant> And before I get jumped with moving the documents folder or making a subst they can both end up crashing programs so I'd rather not. You buy a small drive, that's what you get. Welcome to 1995. Best regards, Tango.
shelt Posted June 16, 2012 Posted June 16, 2012 Moving or deleting the screens isn't that big of an effort. Hard drive maintenance doesn't just apply to the smaller SSD's, the larger hard drives have really made people slack about cleaning old and unwanted files on a regular basis. It wasn't that long ago a 20GB hard drive was huge! Intel i7-3770K,Windows 10 64,Noctua NH-U12S ,ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ,G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2400,EVGA GTX 1080,ADATA XPG900x2 RAID 0, CM HAF XB Case,Thrustmaster Warthog,Combat Rudder Pedals,Logitech G930 with wireless TrackIR 5, 39" Insignia LED 120Hz Monitor, Oculus Rift
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