tobaschi Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Hi, do you already have a idea which weapon systems you wanna implement and if yes, you already can give us a short list? Or is it still to early for this? Link to comment
falcon_120 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Not more than a month ago or so,I saw a page with information about the EF mfds pages and some Radar modes translated from a german webpage,I'll look for it. It will be interesting to see how well you can make the avionics systems. Link to comment
falcon_120 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Found it¡ http://eurofighter.airpower.at/cockpit-mfd.htm and also some pics: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Eurofighter_HUD_Evasive_maneuvers.jpg MAW presentation on the mfd: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Eurofighter_DASS_MAW.jpg And IRST/Pirate presentation on the mfd in search mode: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Eurofighter_PIRATE_PPI.jpg Off topic: Why has my reputation gone low? How does exactly work? Last day I had like 8 or so and now is in red because I have 0. I don't recall doing nothing wrong :(. Edited June 8, 2012 by falcon_120 Wanted to add something more. 1 Link to comment
Ells228 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Thanks for those Falcon. Tobashi, Not a definitive or finalised list but here you go: 27mm Mauser BK27 cannon AIM-9 Sidewinder ASRAAM IRIS-T (for German variant) AIM-120 AMRAAM Meteor Paveway II Paveway II DMLGB Paveway III GBU-10 GBU-16 GBU-24 Paveway III Lightnening III pod AGM-84 Harpoon AGM-65 Maverick JASSM Taurus Storm Shadow ALARM CBLS-200 Brimstone Link to comment
Silver_Dragon Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 ELLs228 Spanish and Italian version can be enter on developed on a future with associate weapons? Link to comment
falcon_120 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) I hadn't thought about the meteor ¡¡, It would be a game changer on bvr against everything but the Raptor... And are you planning on simulate the HMS stryker? I can't imagine the combination asraam/iris-t with the Helmet cueing system plus incredible agility will do in close combat :) Edited June 8, 2012 by falcon_120 Link to comment
clafly Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 ELLs228 Spanish and Italian version can be enter on developed on a future with associate weapons? +1 Link to comment
Ells228 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 We will be looking at all country variants of the Typhoon and their associated weapon systems. However, please be aware that there is also a lot of development time to get the missile mechanics correct, not to mention modeling them all and collecting data. Link to comment
sorcer3r Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 EF Typhoon on DCS(A10C) level would be awesome, good luck! :thumbup: Do you have also access to some FCS data? [...] Meteor [...] Then we need a larger theater. :D (But we need this anyway with the new fast movers we will get.) [sIGPIC]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/sorcerer17/sorcf16-b_zpsycmnwuay.gif[/sIGPIC] Link to comment
falcon_120 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 what other bvr? I mean, there will be raptor and typhoon, the only bvr capable aircrafts. F-15E is not scheduled anytime soon. Well,we have flankers,migs,f15s etc... Remember fc3 is also coming. Link to comment
Sceptre Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Thanks for those Falcon. Tobashi, Not a definitive or finalised list but here you go: 27mm Mauser BK27 cannon AIM-9 Sidewinder ASRAAM IRIS-T (for German variant) AIM-120 AMRAAM Meteor Paveway II Paveway II DMLGB Paveway III GBU-10 GBU-16 GBU-24 Paveway III Lightnening III pod AGM-84 Harpoon AGM-65 Maverick JASSM Taurus Storm Shadow ALARM CBLS-200 Brimstone Good god.... RTX 2070 8GB | 32GB DDR4 2666 RAM | AMD Ryzen 5 3600 4.2Ghz | Asrock X570 | CH Fighterstick/Pro Throttle | TM MFDs | TrackIR 5 Link to comment
SimHQ_Cat Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 ALARM, eh? That IS interesting. Miao, Cat Link to comment
shagrat Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Meteor was my favorite in EF-2000 glad it is considered, ASRAAM with HMD is awesome and ALARM against SAMs if you ever did a preemptive launch and let yourself be tracked, knowing full well your ALARM is dangling on the parachute and waiting for just that...! :D Though I think the others are right: BVR with Meteor against SU-27 or Mig-29 they won't even see it coming. If what they modelled in EF-2000 is halfway true to the real thing the Meteor is a a stealthy predator, at the least. With Datalink capability you even need not have a radar lock on the enemy. Look at MDBAs page:http://www.mbda-systems.com/products/air-dominance/meteor/26/ or airpower.at for those who speak german: http://eurofighter.airpower.at/bewaffnung.htm Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment
falcon_120 Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Well,I don't expect at least for the moment to simulate the two way datalink as there is no information of how it works(and even less about one typhoon locking a target for other to shoot),but I do expect proper no escape zone and range simulations,with captor range I would expect engagements against non stealhy fighters in excess of 50 miles. Link to comment
shagrat Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 Well,I don't expect at least for the moment to simulate the two way datalink as there is no information of how it works(and even less about one typhoon locking a target for other to shoot),but I do expect proper no escape zone and range simulations,with captor range I would expect engagements against non stealhy fighters in excess of 50 miles. Most definitely! Some sources state operational range of 60mi+ :D Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment
tobaschi Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 if you realy manage to model the Brimstone 'near' to the live variant (specially the tracking and fireing procedure) i going wild ^^ Who don't know the Brimstone here are some Videos about it, it's a hell of an A/G Missile and got heavy used in the lybia conflict: Ells228 will you release everything in a big giant Pack or will you split the weapons up in DLC bundels? I ask because this weaponsystems are reeeaaaaly complex and i bet some of them will cost you much time and resources Link to comment
skypirate Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 ALARM Finally something to get back to the SA-10s :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Regards! Link to comment
Ells228 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Unknown at the moment as we need to see what data is available and complexity in DCS Link to comment
joey45 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 ..... and ALARM against SAMs if you ever did a preemptive launch and let yourself be tracked, knowing full well your ALARM is dangling on the parachute and waiting for just that...! :D THAT. Two ship SEAD anyone?? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment
sorcer3r Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 ALARM is dangling on the parachute and waiting for just that...! :D Missile dangling on a parachute. Easy target, isnt it? ;) [sIGPIC]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/sorcerer17/sorcf16-b_zpsycmnwuay.gif[/sIGPIC] Link to comment
shagrat Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) Missile dangling on a parachute. Easy target, isnt it? ;) Nope! It isn't... it has unique new loitering capabilities. Citation: " Operating Modes The ALARM has five distinct operating modes which are programmed prior to launch. All of these modes employ the vertical attack trajectory. The Direct Mode is a classical offensive mode, where the ALARM is fired directly at the chosen target to which range and bearing are known, the missile flies an optimal trajectory to engage the target in as short a time as is possible. Should the emitter go off the air, the missile will flex to the next best target. The unique Loiter Mode also assumes the target range and bearing are known, and is used to defeat a radar which is being taken off the air to prevent ARM attack. The ALARM will fly a climbing trajectory to a point above the target, deploy its parachute, and while slowly descending it will search for the target. Once the target lights up, the missile will dive on to the target. To force an emitter off the air for a longer period of time, a second round would be launched some time after the first. The third mode which assumes known range and bearing to the target is the Dual Mode, in which the missile initially flies the Direct Attack profile. Should the target shut down, the missile will switch to Loiter Mode and wait for it to light up again. Two modes are used for situations where the position of threat emitters is not known prior to launch. The Corridor/Area Suppression Mode is optimised for low altitude launches, in this mode the missile initially climbs steeply, and then coasts in a shallow dive searching for targets programmed before launch. The Universal Mode is similar, but is optimised for medium to high latitude launch and provides a larger search pattern and better range. Both of these modes are intended for use against mobile SAM systems or maritime targets." Source: http://www.ausairpower.net/alarm-armat.html I loved it in EF-2000 back in the 90ies! Just the 2 modes then...:thumbup: EDIT: 40,000 ft ceiling while loitering will require veeeery fast Jets to take them out, and remember - there is a wing of Typhoons waiting for you. 50nm range sounds also like you need not bother with most SAM's threat envelopes too much... Sources: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/BaE_Systems_ALARM http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9007091298/british-alarm-missile-reaches-40-000-ft-successfully-attacks-antiaircraft-radar Edited June 10, 2012 by shagrat Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment
sorcer3r Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Just joking :) But I am more interested in its IRL performance. Only 6 ALARM fired in Kosovo. [sIGPIC]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/sorcerer17/sorcf16-b_zpsycmnwuay.gif[/sIGPIC] Link to comment
jazjar Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 ALARM actually sounds a bit more impressive than AGM-88C. Very good capability against radar shut down. I think I'd have a tough time in SAM Simulator against that. ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment
jazjar Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Also loitering is good against SA-15, which cannot attack targets directly above it, and claims to be optimized against ARMs. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment
shagrat Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 ALARM actually sounds a bit more impressive than AGM-88C. Very good capability against radar shut down. I think I'd have a tough time in SAM Simulator against that. ;) You bet! In old EF2000 they just modeled two modes - direct and loiter - and even then SEAD was easy if you had good situational awareness, say not dumb enough to directly fly into a known SAM's engagement zone. I guess anything else than S300 in DCS will have a hard time against these. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore) Link to comment
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