Announcing Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3

[159th_Viper]

 

Im probably done here, just wanna say that cannot wait to destroy that F-15 fancy cockpit :lol:

 

Who knows - the Budgie pilots will be so busy admiring the scenery that even us Toad-drivers might stand a better-than-average chance of shoving a R-73 up their tailpipe :D

[EtherealN]

Nate,

 

with FC3 being introduced soon, how will the difference between FC3 aircraft and DCS aircraft be felt in MP?

 

Will we have guys with "simplyfied FC3 A10s" flyin next to DCS A10s players, bombing the same target? or will we have FC3 only servers , with all guys piloting FC3 simplyified aircraft?

 

Up to mission designer.

 

Note though that if you think life will be easier for the FC3 pilots than for the DCS pilots - think again. With greater fidelity in simulation comes greater capabilities.

 

Also, in the specific case of the A-10's, note that FC has A-10A, DCS has A-10C. The FC hog pilots has les systems to remember, but is outclassed by the additional capabilities afforded both by the DCS higher-fidelity simulation as well as the Charlie-Hog's superior capabilities.

[159th_Viper]

 

with FC3 being introduced soon, how will the difference between FC3 aircraft and DCS aircraft be felt in MP?

 

Will we have guys with "simplyfied FC3 A10s" flyin next to DCS A10s players, bombing the same target? or will we have FC3 only servers , with all guys piloting FC3 simplyified aircraft?

 

Depends on the server admin/mission designer. Can have either/or: No restrictions inherent to the SIM.

 

Aaaarggghhhhh.........

[Cali]

Nate,

 

with FC3 being introduced soon, how will the difference between FC3 aircraft and DCS aircraft be felt in MP?

 

Will we have guys with "simplyfied FC3 A10s" flyin next to DCS A10s players, bombing the same target? or will we have FC3 only servers , with all guys piloting FC3 simplyified aircraft?

 

There will be no FC3 servers, FC3 will be a just like DCSW A-10C and so forth. It's up to the mission makers as to what aircraft will be available. I think it would be a good idea to have them all available. Yep, we could have A-10A and A-10C's killing the same target area.

 

EDIT: Viper beat me to it.

[EtherealN]

Booom, headshot!

 

:D

[JABO2009]

Up to mission designer.

 

Note though that if you think life will be easier for the FC3 pilots than for the DCS pilots - think again. With greater fidelity in simulation comes greater capabilities.

 

Also, in the specific case of the A-10's, note that FC has A-10A, DCS has A-10C. The FC hog pilots has les systems to remember, but is outclassed by the additional capabilities afforded both by the DCS higher-fidelity simulation as well as the Charlie-Hog's superior capabilities.

 

great, thats exactly the way it should be imao. (except the fact, that FC3 Su 27s could possibly aquire faster target lock against opponent DCS F15s in the future ?) :D

Edited September 4, 2012 by JABO2009

[Glowing_Amraam]

Cato...can u please do a side by side comparison in landing physics compared to FC2? And try some outrageous stuff like messed up approaches etc. :p If you remember, back when FC1 was released... ED released a video showing field landing and the aircraft becoming a bowling ball :megalol: . See if u can pull that off. :p

 

Hehe, I'll definetly show a couple of landings, but showing any "bowling ball-ing" jets, well, not so sure :D

[EtherealN]

No worries...

 

*cue jokes about Cato's landing skills*

 

*hides*

[MTFDarkEagle]

No worries...

 

*cue jokes about Cato's landing skills*

 

*hides*

[Azrayen]

How about being able to export/import FC2 keybindings into FC3 ?

I did it with the FC2 Su-25T for Su-25T DCSW. Here's hoping it'll work for the others in FC3. :helpsmilie:

 

As Nate said:

I haven't tried it - but it's very unlikely. Too many underlying changes.

 

Nate

 

I'm not saying 0% will work, RIPTIDE, but you're gonna have just that: FC2 keybindings into FC3. Meaning that any change/add regarding FC3 keybindings are lost if you do that.

In a whole: Bad idea IMO.

 

If you really wanna try, and being reasonnably sure not to have lost something on the way, then you should compare FC2 and FC3 default keybindings (use tools like WinMerge to do that easyly).

 

I know it can be a pain in the a**. But that's the way it is (for now).

To deal with that, my choice was to keep as much as possible the default keybindings, and dealing with "profiles" for HOTAS (SST for Saïtek, TARGET for Thrustmaster... etc.)

 

++

Az'

[mwd2]

Will it be possible to LASER a target from an A-10C or human JTAC from CA for an A-10A of FC3? Will the default Laser-Code 1688 for A-10A?

[159th_Viper]

Will it be possible to LASER a target from an A-10C or human JTAC from CA for an A-10A of FC3? Will the default Laser-Code 1688 for A-10A?

 

No, the Pave-Penny pod is not functional in A10A in FC.

[BavarianPilot]

Hehe, I'll definetly show a couple of landings........

 

Landing on carrier with SU33, too??

[Witchking]

Hehe, I'll definetly show a couple of landings, but showing any "bowling ball-ing" jets, well, not so sure :D

 

Dude... so jealous u get to play around with FC3 early. :glare: . :p Can u give us hints if there are new explosion effects? more variability from current DCS world? The fire fixed for building and civilian vehicles? :music_whistling:

 

Can't wait to get FC3...add in Combatace's Su33/30 and 27 models. :p

[Sanch0]

Hehe, I'll definetly show a couple of landings, but showing any "bowling ball-ing" jets will be the best part!

Fixed it for you :)

[EtherealN]

Dude... so jealous u get to play around with FC3 early. :glare: . :p Can u give us hints if there are new explosion effects? more variability from current DCS world? The fire fixed for building and civilian vehicles? :music_whistling:

 

Can't wait to get FC3...add in Combatace's Su33/30 and 27 models. :p

 

Freebie from FC3, just for you:

 

[Witchking]

Holy smokes! We get to blow up the deathstar!!! Game/Sim of the year for sure!! When can we preorder? :D :pilotfly: :joystick:

Edited September 4, 2012 by Witchking

[winz]

That model isn't present in current DCS World version.

Soo...

It...it...it...must be a hint what the next DCS module will be! :D :P

[Cedaway]

Just a little appart in this thread to thanks Wags for his explanation in 'philosophy behind FC3 release'.

 

And @EtherealN: lol, but beware of the Kara Thrace's Viper behind... Your X-wing's already dead!

Oh, it was the outside view of the new f-15? Sorry.:music_whistling:

 

EDIT: For those who doubt X-wings are real... :prop:

Edited September 4, 2012 by Cedaway

[Kenan]

Oh btw, what about taxiing? Is it still ice skating bonanza or was that updated as well?

[TuAFScythe]

I dont want to discuss anything about FC3 which is disappointing like FC2(that I bought anyways) and I will probably buy it like I did with FC2. Only one thing please just remove that picture of Su-27 firing an advance flight modelled R-27ER(R,ET,T whatever it is) which looks like trying to do a deceiving cobra maneuver(well if you add thrust vectoring to 27 series missiles it might look fine at those altitudes). BTW in last patch of DCS:World, missiles doing very very strange things like rolling vertically, I hope by missile AFM you fixed those things.

[Frostie]

Right now it's looking like just a whiner show.

What do you expect, ofcourse there will be complaints, mainly because the likes of yourself won't accept there is another aircraft in FC other than the F-15, you don't seem to accept that these complaints come after both FC2 and FC3 have been very pro performance F-15 updates of the original FC with just minor adjustments to the other aircraft.

FC2 gave F-15, PRF modes, IFF, AIM-120C and 120B, improved fuzing for these missiles which made them even more superior to any other missile, and improved ballistics of these missiles. Everything else that was adjusted for aircraft and weaponary was given equally.

 

FC3 is going down the same path as the main focus on the F-15, new cockpit, new mission, where is the exclusive Russian jet updates? TTI timers, TWS, EOS, radar on/off switch etc. these Russian jets are missing features too and have been missing them for eons.

To mock these guys complaining about this is moderator trolling, they have every right to be miffed.

 

What is not certain yet is what has been done to FC3, a list doesn't tell the full picture, but all that is seen by some at present is F-15 this and that, it is better to reserve judgement until FC3 comes out and tried by those few but sadly I only see the same effect of FC2 had which saw a lot of guys get disillusioned with ED and give up.

 

FC3 looks great and is a credit to the hard work from ED, but the dissappointment from Russian aircraft fans on ED's focus with the series for the last several years is overwhelming.

[Exorcet]

What do you expect, ofcourse there will be complaints, mainly because the likes of yourself won't accept there is another aircraft in FC other than the F-15, you don't seem to accept that these complaints come after both FC2 and FC3 have been very pro performance F-15 updates of the original FC with just minor adjustments to the other aircraft.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I find nothing wrong if people are disappointed in FC3, but statements like that are just silly. Pro F-15 is not giving the F-15 a cockpit when the bulk of other improvements were spread evenly.

 

I don't know who would be crazy enough to not notice the other planes besides the F-15. There are even multiple versions of those planes, and one one F-15 (two Fulcrums, two Flankers).

 

FC2 gave F-15, PRF modes, IFF, AIM-120C and 120B, improved fuzing for these missiles which made them even more superior to any other missile, and improved ballistics of these missiles. Everything else that was adjusted for aircraft and weaponary was given equally.

The AIM-120B is the same AIM-120 we've always had. The AIM-120/AIM-120B and R-77 in LockOn/FC are just about equal. Which means the improved ballistics were shared by all missiles in FC2.

 

As for PRF, did the Russian planes have that previously, or were they given them as well. Either way, that doesn't show an advantage to the F-15. Like you said, a bunch of stuff was given equally, as is the case now. And when the F-15 was wrongly strengthened (super turning at low speed), it was fixed.

 

Let's also not forget

PRESS RELEASE

 

THE FIGHTER COLLECTION AND EAGLE DYNAMICS RELEASE LOCK ON: FLAMING CLIFFS 2 UPGRADE

 

DUXFORD, UK, March 26, 2009 – The Fighter Collection and Eagle Dynamics have released Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2. This is an upgrade to the unofficial Lock On: Flaming Cliffs add-on. Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2 features all the flyable aircraft of Lock On: Flaming Cliffs and includes several fan-requested updates to aircraft, sensor, and weapon systems. Lock On: Flaming Cliffs combines a large stable of modern U.S. and Russian aircraft to fly over Russia and Georgia with game play for both casual and hardcore flight simulation enthusiasts.

 

Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2 features the same world environment and game functionality as the Digital Combat Simulation (DCS) series and is online compatible an updated copy of the Ka-50 attack helicopter simulation DCS: Black Shark www.digitalcombatsimulator.com. Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2 allows Lock On pilots and Black Shark pilots to now fly online together in both cooperative and head-to-head online play.

 

The Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2 upgrade for owners of Lock On and Lock On: Flaming Cliffs is available for sale as a download from the Eagle Dynamics Lock On web site for $29.99 USD.

 

http://lockon.co.uk/index.php?end_pos=1322&scr=shop

 

A DVD boxed version of Flaming Cliffs 2 will be available in May from http://www.kengray.co.uk/lockonbuy.htm

 

By using the DCS environment, Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2 users will have improved terrain, mission editor, AI flight models, 3D objects, artificial intelligence (AI), and multiplayer. The aircraft of Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2 include:

 

• Su-25 (new 3D model)

• Su-25T

• A-10A

• Su-27

• Su-33

• MiG-29A

• MiG-29C

• F-15C

 

Several new missions and campaigns are included in Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2.

 

Launch trailer:

FAQ: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?...70&postcount=2

 

About The Fighter Collection

The Fighter Collection, as well as developing software for the entertainment and serious game markets, also operates, rebuilds and maintains Europe's largest collection of airworthy WWII fighters and is based at Duxford Airfield, in the UK. For more information visit our websites: http://www.fighter-collection.com/

 

Contact: dcs@fighter-collection.com

Edited September 4, 2012 by Exorcet

[Milene]

What do you expect, ofcourse there will be complaints, mainly because the likes of yourself won't accept there is another aircraft in FC other than the F-15, you don't seem to accept that these complaints come after both FC2 and FC3 have been very pro performance F-15 updates of the original FC with just minor adjustments to the other aircraft.

FC2 gave F-15, PRF modes, IFF, AIM-120C and 120B, improved fuzing for these missiles which made them even more superior to any other missile, and improved ballistics of these missiles. Everything else that was adjusted for aircraft and weaponary was given equally.

 

FC3 is going down the same path as the main focus on the F-15, new cockpit, new mission, where is the exclusive Russian jet updates? TTI timers, TWS, EOS, radar on/off switch etc. these Russian jets are missing features too and have been missing them for eons.

To mock these guys complaining about this is moderator trolling, they have every right to be miffed.

 

What is not certain yet is what has been done to FC3, a list doesn't tell the full picture, but all that is seen by some at present is F-15 this and that, it is better to reserve judgement until FC3 comes out and tried by those few but sadly I only see the same effect of FC2 had which saw a lot of guys get disillusioned with ED and give up.

 

FC3 looks great and is a credit to the hard work from ED, but the dissappointment from Russian aircraft fans on ED's focus with the series for the last several years is overwhelming.

 

My first reaction was the same. Now im just thinking a well its better then nothing and at least we are going forward. Am i really happy? No, cause i would have rather seen the 29 and the 27 get the same treatment as the 15. I will still buy it even though i dont agree with the roadmap decision they took. But i know that with spending my money they will do awsome and amazing things in the future.

 

:joystick: Lets go ED makes us happy after FC3 and start annoucing DCS Mig29/Sukhoi27 :pilotfly:

[Frostie]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I find nothing wrong if people are disappointed in FC3, but statements like that are just silly. Pro F-15 is not giving the F-15 a cockpit when the bulk of other improvements were spread evenly.

Pro F-15 meaning the majority of exclusive updates were for the F-15 in FC2 and FC3.

 

 

 

The AIM-120B is the same AIM-120 we've always had. The AIM-120/AIM-120B and R-77 in LockOn/FC are just about equal. Which means the improved ballistics were shared by all missiles in FC2.

 

AIM-120C and AIM-120B were given much needed improved ballistics, no other missile was. The B and R-77 are relatively equal as per FC2 while the new C is an improvement on both.

 

 

As for PRF, did the Russian planes have that previously, or were they given them as well. Either way, that doesn't show an advantage to the F-15. Like you said, a bunch of stuff was given equally, as is the case now. And when the F-15 was wrongly strengthened (super turning at low speed), it was fixed.

Where does advantages come into this? How about just general focus, i'm not particularly bothered if they decide to make the F-15 into an X-wing I just want some parity with the updates.